Hersh: Cheney left a 'stay behind'; still has power

[FourScore]

Hersh: Cheney left a 'stay behind'; still has power
by stevelu
Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 11:37:37 AM PDT

On Fresh Air ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102495389 ) yesterday veteran investigative journalist Sy Hersh made some very chilling observations. He was discussing why it is that many of the people who had told him to get back in touch with them in February, to get the real scoop on Bush-Cheney, still won't talk...

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...Hersh believes that Cheney still has key people in multiple agencies -- especially military and intelligence of course -- who keep him informed at a detailed level. He calls this a "stay behind", an intelligence term for moles left in-country, to conduct sabotage or other operations in the interests of an expelled force.

He suggests that the extent of this network is such that Cheney has some lingering ability to interfere with the new administration, to influence the execution of policies, and to intimidate his potential critics still in government.

He notes that Cheney is easy to caricature and underestimate, but is very smart and a formidable manipulator, "the real deal" as he put it at one point. I got the feeling that Hersh was choosing his words carefully on one level to be reasonably clear and to quite frankly alarm people, without getting too inflammatory (as he has sometimes done and later regretted). I also noticed that he did toss in the word 'sabotage...'

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/31/715033/-Hersh:-Cheney-left-a-stay-behind;-still-has-power

[bdamomma]

1. Cheney is a traitor.

[PM Martin]

2. Does Obama know about them?

[ColbertWatcher]

29. I think so.

If the media knows about it, the government certainly does.

[alsame]

3. This SOB should be in prison for so many reasons. n/t

[ixion]

4. seriously...so many reasons

war crimes not the least among them.

[hamsterjill]

6. As should anyone informing for him!!!

Obama is now Commander in Chief and anyone currently providing sensitive information to Cheney that he is no longer entitled to receive should be held accountable, as well.

[Idealism]

5. Cheney would have made a good CIA bureau chief, it seems.

Here is a free book if anyone is interested in CIA stay behind missions in Europe during the Cold War.


Daniele Ganser - NATO's Secret Armies (Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/294202/Daniele-Ganser-NATOs-Secret-Armies-Operation-Gladio-and-Terrorism-in-Western-Europe

[formercia]

23. Cheney's new office is right next door.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4981948

"His office is in a non-descript suburban office building in McLean, Va., in a suite that could just as easily house a dental clinic. The office is across the hall from a quick-copy store. The door is marked by nothing except a paper sign, held up by tape, saying the unit is occupied by the General Services Administration."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Hersh is sounding less and less credible

...in the absence of any evidence.

[Idealism]

9. Hes writing a book and I think this is hype for it.

Not to say his conclusions are without merit, but I do believe he is tricking information to the media in order to build anticipation for his next piece of literature.

[baldingrockwarlord]

12. his job is to sell his words and stories-fear basically.

whether what he writes is true or not it is important to remember that it has never stopped him in the past. If even HALF of the things he has written were ever true, don't you think more people would be behind bars or held accountable? I put this guy right in there with Tom Clancy. He sells fear trying to pass it off as reality.

[hlthe2b]

14. HFCS, I'm curious why you have difficulty believing this?

From what I know of Cheney, it is exactly what I would have predicted.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Because it's an extraordinary claim.

Not because it doesn't fit Cheney's character.

[Beetwasher]

18. Heh? Not Extraordinary In The Least

This is not a claim that aliens have infiltrated the gov't. Merely that the last admin. has moles feeding them info. This is intel ops SOP.

[seemslikeadream]

27. I've got an extraordinary claim for you

Read the official 9/11 Commission Report

[starroute]

32. It's exactly what Bush Sr. did during the Carter administration

Bush Sr. had been CIA director under Jerry Ford. When Carter was elected, Bush was replaced -- but a whole slew of CIA and former CIA officers remained loyal to him and were actively trying to undermine Carter. They were highly successful at it, too.

[seemslikeadream]

35. Some folks have very short memories

[seemslikeadream]

28. I have no problem believing something about HFCS

:hi:

[vssmith]

39. Remeber when Hersh had us all hyped up about an impending attack on Iran?

[hlthe2b]

41. He wasn't alone in reporting that... those reports likely stopped it.

Scott Ritter and several others were quite vocal about it. I strongly believe their leaking caused sufficient backlash to stop it.

[KatieW]

15. Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Do you really think Obama and his administration

would be so easily duped? I need some more evidence.

[Ilsa]

21. I see your point. There is alot of hype. But I think Cheney is very

capable of staying inside this loop and trying to run things from his private study.

[seemslikeadream]

25. you forgot the sarcasm smilie

[Beetwasher]

8. Of Course, And Obama I'm Sure Is Well Aware Of This

It may not be possible to root out all of the Cheneyite-traitors, but eventually most of them will be routed and neutralized.

[ShortnFiery]

24. Let's ALL hope and pray your are correct? This confirms my worst fears. :( n/t

[PuraVidaDreamin]

10. This is not hard to believe

and I believe it.

[pacalo]

13. After all we've learned about Cheney, it's not at all hard to believe.

And I don't think he moved into a new home that is only 2,000 feet away from the CIA headquarters just for the view. It was for the convenience.

[aquamarina]

11. This is so far beyond outrageous.

He is an ongoing pox on our house.

[Echo In Light]

16. Of course..just as faulty chads in FL paved the way for Diebolic, "fuzzy intel" paved the way for...

Installation of key players within the alphabet orgs

[mitchtv]

19. Why should it be any different than DOJ

that's what they have done in Justice, and moved them into civil service positions

[Ilsa]

20. Didn't the fictitious tv show "24" do a Cheney-lite episode last night?

They have a segment going where a private company, a contractor for the US DoD, has their own private army, weapons, geographic proximity to the WH, has already assisted terrorists, and now possesses a biological weapon. Supposedly, the US government can't do much about it because of posse comitatus.

Cheney is the ultimate insider. Anyone who is talking to him on the QT should be charged with some sort of treason for passing information to a man who has a vested interest in one of those private DoD-contracted companies.

[PLR_Writer]

22. I can't watch that show

I don't like to watch torture and they always seem to do that.

[ShortnFiery]

26. What's unfortunate is that many of these Evil Players believe "24" is true to life.

In the end, it will be ARROGANCE and DELUSIONS that destroy them. However, like true right wing fanatics it will always be someone else's fault. :crazy:

[Ilsa]

31. Not all the time. And I just remind myself that torture doesn't look like tv stuff

The show is pretty good sometimes. This bit about the DoD contractor (like Blackwood Security) being run by a traitor is pretty damn good. It reflects the dangers of privatizing military business.

[specimenfred1984]

30. Focus on the economy, do as you're told

We're supposed to just move on, let the criminals go because they are gone if we just hide our heads and focus on how much money we can make on the new administration.

[Algorem]

33. Espionage.Treason.

[depakid]

34. I'm surre there are stay behinds in damn near all the administrative agencies

[backscatter712]

36. I wish Cheney would hurry up, get Alzheimers, a heart attack, or stroke out already.

[nichomachus]

37. I don't think it's just Cheney

The agencies are packed top to bottom with right-wing Christians, Federalist Society members, GOP ideologues, Young Republicans, you name it.

It would take a purge of Stalinist proportions to get the Cheney/Rove/Bush cancer out of the government.

[rudy23]

38. Does anybody remember the Monica Goodling testimony where she was asked

if she took a loyalty oath to Bush that trumped her oath to uphold the Constitution, and she took the fifth?

I think it was Sheldon Whitehouse who asked her the question. I wonder if I can find it. I've wondered and worried about those who've taken loyalty oaths to Bush or Cheney since the election.

[dweller]

40. 'to conduct sabotage or other'

didn't the latest release of AQ statements speak of attacks on Washington ... ?




hmmm
dp

[Kaleko]

42. Yes. Of course.

Even if the big spider has left the center spot, his web is still in place.

[malaise]

43. He's discussing this with KO now n/t

[FourScore]

44. I wish I had seen that. Maybe someone will post it. n/t