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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:04 PM Original message |
Re: Anarchists. Which is a crazier response to injustice (perceived or otherwise) |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm no anarchist...but this works better than calling a congressperson or violence, IMHO: |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. MLK had the right idea...Civil Disobedience |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Passive resistance ....... |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. and that rubber bullet they shoot at the person "putting his ass on the line" |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. that is twisted logic |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. No. It's perfect logic. |
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No.23 (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
43. To be accurate, he advocated nonviolent acts of civil disobedience. |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. The Black Panthers did great work for the same cause. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Who has a day named after them? Doctor King or Huey Newton? |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I'm not brave enough to be a pacifist. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. and that non-working approach is unorganized violence. |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I guess my frustration is that people are upset about bricks when we are in 2 wars abroad. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Monsters? No. Cheney and crew are monsters. Torturers are monsters. Terrorists are monsters. |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Growing up I had to learn to physically fight. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. It actually has and does work for them. Provably so. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Bullshit. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. M$M at work |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Bullshit tactic. Blaming anyone not convinced that they are parroting the MSM. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Its bullshit because you say it is, using nothing but stereotype and generalizations |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Sorry captain "Hip-And-In-The-Know" but the M$M acusation doesn't count for shit. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. The characterization of all protesters as "12 year olds dressed like batman" |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Sorry Batman. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Some senior citizens? |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. No. I'm just against the fuck heads dressed up in masks who ruin everything with violence. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I think maybe I have a problem with your definition of violence. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Destruction of property is violence. Throwing a brick is violence. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. It actually does work and has worked |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. For a real revolution sure it works. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. What about the workers who held their boss hostage? |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. France. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. What if they broke a computer along the way? |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. No. It is still wrong though. They are two different situations. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. But half the time its violence (as defined) is always wrong and the other half of the time its: |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Don't try and play me for a hypocrite. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. I'm not. Honest. I just am tryin to see if its more about these protesters |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I added something to the middle of that in afterthought. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. This video link seems relevant |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. agreed. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
52. Civil disobedience only works against a narrow class of opponents. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. So dressing up like batman and throwing bricks works then? |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. Anarchy does not mean "violence" |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Tell that to some of those that call themselves "anarchists". |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Violence against windows |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. And innocent bystanders never get wrapped up in the scuffle! Do they? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. What I know is that your position reflects one thing and one thing only: |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Take a look at the avatar sweetheart. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Oh right. Right.... |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. So what have you done to make anyone's life better? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Excellent. That doesn't really have anything to do with arguing from a position of |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. ACtually being middle class, probably white, privilege though hasn't anything to do with this either |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Those people in London aren't anarchists ..... |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. theyre Flying Monkeys of the Right Wing, trained in camps to make Peaceful Demonstrations Bad Press |
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gmoney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
89. Aren't Rush and Fox News and that ilk the anarchists? |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #89 |
108. No, they're just whiners |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah, but who has to pay for the window? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Actually in my book neither approach works very well at all.. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Smashing a window with a brick is why most Euros have HEALTH CARE |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Well said. n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. bullshit. it is hardly the reason that most have healthcare in Europe. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Ding ding |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
60. Europeans are so brave. Americans are little babies that cower... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. The proof is in the pudding |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
85. Many European countries also have more religion in their politics than we do. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
84. No, it's not. The fact that they vote for left-wing politicians who promise those things is why. |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. i dont care which one works or doesnt, but i cant stand cheap insulting of protestors |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Well put |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
16. More power to them. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. pansies? take your homophobia someplace else. |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Cali, thanks for calling the poster on the "pansies" comment |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
44. you are welcome. I don't get how people on this board can continue |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. homophobia? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. George Carlin referred to this as the "PUSSIFICATION of America." |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Well, you know, any excuse for a bash.... |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. It's okay. I'm not well received around here either, haha |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. George Carlin was not posting at DU |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Carlin used the medium for social critique, not just to be funny |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. The context is DU not an HBO special or a Carlin book. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. And the "context" in which Carlin worked was real life. Do the views of DU posters fit into that... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. No, we will not allow "comedy" to enter these blessed doors when "DU Morality Police" are |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. It's long been an anti-gay slur and ONLY that. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. No, I've called other women "pansies" ... it has morphed to mean WIMPY and GUTLESS. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. wrong. sorry, you're wrong again. duh. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
48. That is what I woefully dislike about some of "the liberal perspective" WAY too guarded. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
47. We must have been raised in the same circles. :-) |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
107. It's funny, |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
21. Yup yup |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
28. Layers are effective as is timing |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Ain't nothin' wrong with you. n/t |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. There was a thread on here... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Don't harsh the buzz |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. It's stranger in a strange land time... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #35 |
64. You and I are in complete agreement and you know how much I hate that |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. We'll both have to get over it... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Aint that the truth. |
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dcsmart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
51. both actions are necessary |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
71. global economic crisis will cause an additional 22 children to die per hour, maybe twice that |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
73. The First Obviously. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. As opposed to the second, which is just ineffective and completely moronic |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. I'll take ineffective and sedentary over ineffective, violent, and criminal. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Only BARBARIANS would BREAK OTHER PEOPLE'S THINGS |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Indiscriminate bombing campaigns are also counterproductive and needlessly violent. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #82 |
99. Do you really give a shit about other people's property being broken? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. Not on any more than an abstract level. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
102. Maybe Not COMPLETELY Moronic, But Definitely For The Most Part Ineffective. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
76. We ALL need to stop paying taxes. That will fix this shit in a nano second. nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
79. "Which is a crazier response to your girlfriend leaving you: raping her or calling her a bitch?" |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
88. I'm all for protesting and sending bricks through bankers windows (they deserve it) |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. A brick through a window ain't gonna make the bankers cry. |
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