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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:19 PM
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Don Siegelman will get a fair hearing
The Stevens case is just the beginning. That's my firm belief. DOJ will be cleaned up and all these political hacks planted there will be purged.

Now will the DU political/legal experts tell me what Stevens did to Bush (Snr. or Jnr.), Cheney or Rove to explain why he was railroaded out of office.
What really happened here?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:22 PM
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1. Excellent point --- maybe that's part of the reason behind Holder's action
He's set a precedent that he will overturn convictions if
he finds evidence that prosecutions were tainted ... Hopefully
they're reviewing Siegelman's case as well as Stevens'.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:23 PM
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2. I was listening to John Dean on KO
and he didn't say that, but he hinted at a clean up and swore for Holder's integrity. The clean-up has begun.
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:37 PM
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5. A judge overturned the conviction and Holder decided not to ....

prosecute again. Seems like Holder must have decided that they couldn't make their case with all the evidence in the open that the governemnt had withheld in the previous trial.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:40 PM
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6. Yep
Stevens was no saint but I actually feel sorry for the old man.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:24 PM
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3. I don't think you understand - it wasn't about a political agenda..it's about winning at all costs..
I mean we spent money investigating you so you MUST be guilty...

That's the attitude of most prosecutors these days and whether you actually are guilty or not really isn't important to them, it's about their "win" record. They assume that the safeguards in the system are already too lenient and that they are never in danger of wrongly getting a conviction on someone.

That said, Stevens looks to be pretty sleazy as far as taking the home remodeling gifts but if the gov't denied access to exculpatory evidence then I guess he ought to go free. I doubt he'll be around to run again in 6 years so being out of the Senate is probably good enough.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:27 PM
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4. Valid point
but it still means that several cases have serious flaws and the cleanup is coming.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:51 PM
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8. If this is true, I say "Godspeed, Stevens"
"Go live out your life in quiet obscurity, I won't bother you any more."
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:12 PM
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9. I agree...
Seriously, this needs to be beaten into every cop and prosecutor in this country. They NEED to OBEY the damn law! If they don't, not only will bad guys still go free sometimes (it is inevitable unless you start locking people up merely for suspicion), but the system will become corrupt and rife with abuses, e.g. like what we have now in the post-bush era. No conviction is worth the corruption of the justice system.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:41 PM
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7. I hope you are right.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:18 PM
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10. Could well be... Judge Owen recuses herself from Minor appeal.
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 08:20 PM by Ellipsis
Judge Owen recused herself due to public pressure. There is more, but I need to speak to my editor first to find out what I can blog about and what I need to include in an article first. This is BIG news people!!!!!


http://www.atlargely.com/2009/04/update-judge-owen-recuses-herself-from-minor-appeal.html



Time for a return to real justice.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:20 PM
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11. Very big news
Thanks for posting that link.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:09 PM
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17. "The harder the battle be, ago sweeter the victory."
My pleasure...


We'll see what happens at his resentincing.



I do think the worm is turning.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:37 PM
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14. Owen recused herself? Great!
I'll be watching the Minor case. It seems to be crucial in unravelling the Bush-connected corruption in the Mississippi legal system.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:47 PM
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16. See #5 n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:29 PM
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12. Then why didn't this "cleaning up" begin with Siegelman?
There are a thousand miscarriages of justice from the Bush DOJ.

Why did THIS one (Stevens) take priority?

The optics of this stinks. Stevens is getting off on a technicality (albeit a serious one) but Siegelman was demonstrably railroaded.

Is it that no one wants to prosecute Rove?

Sorry, but this is maddening.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:33 PM
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13. It could be to keep the Repubs from squealing when the Siegelman case is overturned
Since the Siegelman case misconduct is much more egregious.

Let's hope this is just the beginning.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:46 PM
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15. There's a thought
Since there's NO love for Bush OR his DOJ partners-in-crime, this may be a way to "appease" the more rabid Holder bashers.

Indeed, let's hope.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:11 PM
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18. They started with Stevens so it doesn't look political. There has been enough of that.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:52 AM
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19. If cleaning up the mess that bush did looks political, does that mean we shouldn't do it.
Just wonderin
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