26 Democrats: Climate Change Should Be Filibustered

[babylonsister]

Can someone explain this to me? What are they doing? And why?

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26 Democrats: Climate Change Should Be Filibustered
By Brian Beutler - April 2, 2009, 10:28AM

As I reported last night, the Senate went on record yesterday against using the reconciliation process to pass climate change legislation. Most high-profile Democrats say they had no plans to do that anyhow, but yesterday's vote (67-31) almost certainly forecloses on the option altogether. The roll call just went up belatedly on the Senate website (owing, perhaps, to a backlog of votes) and I want to highlight the 26 Democrats who voted with the Republicans. With this vote they committed themselves to the idea that climate change legislation should be subject to a filibuster, and their large numbers suggests, perhaps, significant opposition to passing any major reform legislation (read: health care) through reconciliation.

Full list below the fold.

Max Baucus (D-MT)
Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Michael Bennett (D-CO)
Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Robert Byrd (D-WV)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
Russell Feingold (D-WI)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Herb Kohl (D-WI)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Blanch Lincoln (D-AR)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Jim Webb (D-VA)

[Blue_Tires]

1. my head hurts...

this 'voting with repubs' thing has GOT to stop...

[Hell Hath No Fury]

2. OK, NOW I am getting pised....

What the FUCK are the asshats up to???

I am getting goddamned sick to death of these so called "Democrats" doing everything they can to roll over for the GOP while flipping Obama and the agenda the American people voted on The Bird. :mad:

I am surprised to see Feingold on there - I want to hear his explaination for this.

[leftchick]

3. all of the usual corporatists

including Hagan-Asshole NC, my Sen. This is the direct result of The DLC via Rahm Emmanuel recruiting and funneling money to selected 'democrats' who tow the corporate agenda. Richard Moore was her opponent for the democratic seat and he was totally ignored and not given any cash to run from the powers that be. We are fucked.

[babylonsister]

6. So now Feingold is a corporatist?

:crazy:

That 'excuse' is getting old. And you're still blaming Rahm? Do you think he influenced Feingold? :crazy:

What happened to Rahm's influence with the other Dems who didn't sign on? Is he losing his touch?

[leftchick]

10. I can't explain their motives except that

it is usually related to donations. :crazy:

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[Freddie Stubbs]

16. How much money did Emmanuel funnel to Hagan?

:shrug:

[leftchick]

18. I don't know the exact amount

Just that Richard Moore-Liberal was totally cut out.

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. So, despite your accusations, you can't prove that Emmanuel funneled one cent to Hagan?

And who is Richard Moore? Did he actually run?

[SlicerDicer-]

4. As someone who does not think Anthropogenic Global Warming is a problem.

I support this move. Good thing there is some sanity.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. For you and others like you it won't be a problem that you

are willing to admit to until it is way too late to do anything about. Then you will have some brand new self deception to account for your stunning idiocy.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. I'm sure you do -

problem is, the sanity is on the other side of the argument.

Please educate yourself.

[cobalt1999]

20. If you are wrong though, what is the cost to the planet.

If we work to clean up the air anyway, and it's not Anthropogenic, then we at least have cleaned up our environment some.

It's really a no lose situation to proceed with reducing emissions and funding alternative clean energy.

[bdamomma]

5. I am glad to see my Senators from RI not on that list.

they will never stop being against us, and our wishes.

[kctim]

7. McCaskill is representing the views of those of us who voted for her

[babylonsister]

8. And that view would be? Please do tell because I'm not understanding. nt

[kctim]

23. Don't cause us undue hardship when going from point A to point B

And the only way she can do that is by representing us instead of following the herd.
Raise taxes, expenses and change our way of life overnight? For something not 100% proven?
I don't think so.

Efforts to fight global warming have to be phased in at appropriate times, not forced immediately with no concern.

[babylonsister]

24. Your lack of concern is what is puzzling. What would be an appropriate

time to be concerned? When it's too late? And what kind of undue hardship are you worried about?

If you have any doubts, I recommend you donate to this site and get yourself over to the environment/energy forum for some eye-opening information.

Again, your lack of concern is scary.

[kctim]

26. I'm concerned, but I'm also a realist

An appropriate time to be concerned would be when this economic mess is behind us. That does not mean we do nothing at all, but that now is not the time to impose punitive taxes to force people to go green. Now is not the time to force people to spend 4 or 5 dollars instead of a buck for a new lightbulb. etc...
The planet is not going to die if we concentrate on the economy for a year or so, but I guarantee you that global warming will mean nothing if the economy tanks.

You should not assume I have doubts simply because I do not have an alarmist attitude.

[maxsolomon]

25. "our way of life is not negotiable"

heaven forfend that we'd have to "change".

[MadHound]

22. As one from Missouri myself,

Do you have anything to back that contention up with? Because from where I sit, she's not representing the views of most of the people who voted for her.

[kctim]

28. Perhaps where we sit is what determines why we voted for her?

I am in rural and suburb areas and I know not one person who says they will NOT vote for her again based on her record so far.

[Political Heretic]

9. Best one to try and get an answer from would be Russ Feingold

He makes me wonder if there's some reason I don't understand as to why to do this....

[Warren Stupidity]

11. It is the Kleptocratic-duopoly at work and play.

A progressive vision of america remains just that.

[TheWraith]

13. They may have done it for various reasons.

For instance, people like Feingold, Klobuchar, and McCaskill may not have wanted to set a precedent that could be used against us in the future.

For others I would guess it's butt-covering and not wanting to look like a White House flunky.

I'm proud to note that neither of my Senators is in that list.

[Phred42]

15. Don't kid yourself - There are only 3 or 4 that won't sell us out

and one of them is an Independent

[Johonny]

17. If only real climate change could be filibustered

Sorry real world you'll just have to delay that climate change congress isn't ready yet.

[MadHound]

21. Two party/same corporate master system of government at work again n/t

[tjwash]

27. Russ Feingold...what a fucking surpise.

:eyes:

[NickB79]

29. Amy Klobuchar????

I didn't expect to see her name on that list. She had so much potential when she was elected; she won here in MN easily.