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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:02 PM
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Remember Krugman's take on Obama's budget?

Climate of Change

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 27, 2009

Elections have consequences. President Obama’s new budget represents a huge break, not just with the policies of the past eight years, but with policy trends over the past 30 years. If he can get anything like the plan he announced on Thursday through Congress, he will set America on a fundamentally new course.

The budget will, among other things, come as a huge relief to Democrats who were starting to feel a bit of postpartisan depression. The stimulus bill that Congress passed may have been too weak and too focused on tax cuts. The administration’s refusal to get tough on the banks may be deeply disappointing. But fears that Mr. Obama would sacrifice progressive priorities in his budget plans, and satisfy himself with fiddling around the edges of the tax system, have now been banished.

For this budget allocates $634 billion over the next decade for health reform. That’s not enough to pay for universal coverage, but it’s an impressive start. And Mr. Obama plans to pay for health reform, not just with higher taxes on the affluent, but by putting a halt to the creeping privatization of Medicare, eliminating overpayments to insurance companies.

On another front, it’s also heartening to see that the budget projects $645 billion in revenues from the sale of emission allowances. After years of denial and delay by its predecessor, the Obama administration is signaling that it’s ready to take on climate change.

And these new priorities are laid out in a document whose clarity and plausibility seem almost incredible to those of us who grew accustomed to reading Bush-era budgets, which insulted our intelligence on every page. This is budgeting we can believe in.

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Good news: The House and Senate passed the budget.

House Passes Budget That Represents Historic Change

Hickey: House Budget Puts People First, Invests in our Future,

Helps Us Get Out of the Hole We're In


WASHINGTON, APRIL 2 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Campaign for America's Future co-director Roger Hickey said that the federal budget passed by President Obama's allies in the U.S. House marks a major shift from the failed policies that got us into this economic mess.

STATEMENT OF ROGER HICKEY

Conservatives in Washington created the worst economic crisis in generations. They mortgaged the country - running up record deficits and record foreign debts - without making the investments vital to future prosperity. That bill has come due. The economic recovery package and this budget are needed to begin moving us in a dramatically different direction.

This budget represents transformational change. It puts people first, invests in our future and helps us get out of the hole we're in.

People across the country are behind the president's budget because it will move the country toward long-term economic recovery. It makes investments we need to recover - in health care reform, green jobs, climate protection, education and other vital programs for working families.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:12 PM
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1. No comment? n/t
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:14 PM
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2. This doesn't give the PissyPants Brigade a chance
to call Obama a liar, corporatist sellout, or war criminal, so they have nothing to say.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:35 PM
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5. the continual lying
No one has called Obama a liar, corporatist sellout, or war criminal.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:50 PM
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9. Read it and weep. And then apologize
America's wars are wars of imperialism. They're empire building. They have absolutely nothing to do with self defense. There is no honor in fighting them, only thuggery in defense of an aggressive imperialist foreign policy.

They bring shame on us all.

on edit-- I'm also ashamed of all the people that seem willing to accept war crimes because they're being committed by a democratic president.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5382428&mesg_id=5382468

being a prospective war criminal is the only way to win elections in America?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5382428&mesg_id=5382623

you might be willing to accept war criminals as leaders....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5382428&mesg_id=5382673

A post just got deleted referring to "Obama Nazis" who refuse to acknowledge that he's a 'liar and a corporatist.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5384271#5386772
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:54 PM
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10. nope
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 07:59 PM by Two Americas
You know better than that.

People are arguing about a policy there, and are talking about the people they are responding to.

No one is saying that "Obama is a war criminal."

Some idiot may have said that somewhere - just about everything gets posted at some time or another. But clearly - very clearly - you want people here to believe that ALL who criticize the war are "calling Obama a war criminal."

That is a lie. I believe that you know that it is, and are intentionally using it for effect.


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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:56 PM
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11. Yes, I knew better than to expect
you to engage in honest debate.

Sorry I removed you from a certain list. Back on it you go.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:00 PM
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12. I am right here
I am not going anywhere and will debate just as long as you like. I welcome it.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:07 PM
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13. the full context
Google "war of aggression," then follow some of the links. Follow some of the other terms that come up too, such as "United Nations Charter", "Nuremberg principles,", and Chief Justice "Robert Jackson."

America's wars are wars of imperialism. They're empire building. They have absolutely nothing to do with self defense. There is no honor in fighting them, only thuggery in defense of an aggressive imperialist foreign policy.

They bring shame on us all.

on edit-- I'm also ashamed of all the people that seem willing to accept war crimes because they're being committed by a democratic president.


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The second remark was in response to this:


Um... because we wanted to win the fucking election?

What the hell is going on around here... seriously.

Look... if you were opposed to it before then fine. Be opposed. But you cannot seriously be telling me that you think that he'd have been elected if he'd said otherwise.

Forgive whatever you want or don't... the fact so many ego-strokers around here seem to want to ignore is it won't make one bit of difference.


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The third remark (all from the same poster, and a good and level-heard DUer) was part of the same exchange.


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The fourth remark was alerted on and deleted by the mods. Who knows what it said?


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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:10 PM
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14. Yes, they certainly have
Wake up and stop defending the indefensible.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:23 PM
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15. clever switch there
People defending the war are defending the indefensible.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:34 PM
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16. Yes, yes they are.
And you've now changed the subject from Krugman to "people aren't really saying mean stuff about Obama" to "People defending the war are defending the indefensible."

I'd say that's a not so clever switch!
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:56 AM
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17. I responded to this -
"This doesn't give the PissyPants Brigade a chance to call Obama a liar, corporatist sellout, or war criminal, so they have nothing to say."

That is where the thread was driven off topic.


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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:16 PM
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3. sure
a lot of people have referenced this column in response to the trashing Krugman has been getting around here for "attacking" Obama...
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:29 PM
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4. Good news
and as usual the Democratic Representatives in the House delivered, the Republican supporting wing of Democratic Senators failed to on key planks (make work pay).

Still pleasing to see and hopefully the Conference will make good better.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:36 PM
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6. right
Not sure what the point is.

Krugman is not, and never was, hurting Obama.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:39 PM
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7. Are you responding to this OP?
Where does it say anything about "hurting Obama"?

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:43 PM
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8. no idea
Not sure why you posted it.

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