Response to "God and the Bible" are against homosexuality?

[CoffeeCat]

Can someone point me toward sources or arguments against the Fundies who insist that
God and the Bible are against homosexuality?

I'm so tired of these arguments, but how does one effectively respond to these
arguments?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

1. Check out soulforce.org

Mel White wrote a really good phamplet on it.

[Hissyspit]

4. Link:

http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible

[Bill McBlueState]

2. find a polite way to make the point that it doesn't matter

In a secular democracy, it doesn't matter what any particular god or holy book has to say about an issue.

[Hekate]

3. Jesus never mentions it even once, although he goes on forever about the poor...

I think the Old Testament (i.e. the Hebrew Bible) refers to it once, but in the same book goes on and on about dietary laws and not weaving wool and linen together. It's not in the Ten Commandments.

Hekate

[htuttle]

5. The bible is against homosexuality with the same strictness that it is against eating shrimp

...and wearing clothes made of two different fibers, etc... (cf. Leviticus)

It's been about 35 years since my last Sunday School, but I thought that all that didn't matter anymore since the delivery of the 'New Testament'. Christians can eat pork now, right? That was in the same defunct 'old covenant' as the prohibition on homosexuality and mixed blend fabrics...

That's the best argument that I can come up with if I'm talking to someone that 'believes'. :shrug:

[Cant trust em]

6. Isn't God also against planting two different kinds of crops side by side?

There's tons of shit in the old testament that you would get stoned to death for that we do on a daily basis here.

Sorry, but I don't have any specifics for you. I think they're in the book of Leviticus. I'm probably wrong though.

[Stellabella]

16. Yes. And wearing cloth made of two fibers is also punishable by death.

Lots of very weird and cruel stuff in that book. Fundies can pick and choose as much as they want, but it is a poorly crafted book written by uneducated, superstitious people and is not a guide for how to live your life.

The Bible supports slavery, for Pete's sake, and little children are torn apart by bears for making fun of someone. How anyone can call such crap inerrant and inspired by God is beyond me.

[Touchdown]

7. Homosexuality reference in Luke.

"Love your fellow man.":P

[geckosfeet]

8. If we took the bible literally we would constantly be trying kill someone for some infraction

or another.


Oh.

Wait.

[napoleon_in_rags]

9. If you are arguing as a religious person, the best way is to bring up the other forbidden things.

Its forbidden to trim your beard or something it says, and all kinds of other stuff nobody obeys, including sanctioning slavery and so on. If you are arguing on a political level, refer to the post above. It doesn't matter.

[Sebastian Doyle]

10. Tell them to read 1 Samuel 18

The right wingers probably know all about David & Bathsheba, but do they know about David & Jonathan, the son of Saul?

And remember, God chose David to be the future king of Israel when he was just a kid. So God (knowing all things) certainly knew that David's sling would fly both ways ....er, so to speak.

[terisan]

11. I asked a friend who had gotten reborn and insisted Jesus was against homosexuality to

find me the passage where he spoke against it . Two weeks later she admitted that she could find only one place, where depending upon how you interpreted it might possibly or maybe indicate that he was ..... It made her think twice about where else her pastor might be twisting the supposed words of Jesus.

If the person is a Christian, I always ask them to cite passages in the Four Gospels--which contain the direct quotes of Jesus.


I also point out that there is more evidence to show that Jesus disapproved of adultery and divorce. Fundamentalists often ignore these passages for obvious reasons.



I also ask them what the Ten Commandments have to say about homosexuality, and what they have to say about adultery.

[hedgehog]

12. Apparently, the centurion who asked Jesus to heal his servant

was actually asking Jesus to heal his gay lover:

http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

[Arugula Latte]

13. God and the Bible are against brain cells.

[Fearless]

14. I'd tell them to trust their own judgement over that of a two thousand year old book.

But I guess that would be asking too much. :eyes:

[Ghost in the Machine]

15. Jesus approves homosexuality, says gays *will* be raptured...

Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-09-08 03:10 PM
Original message
Jesus approves homosexuality, says gays *will* be raptured...

In the King James Version of the Bible Jesus says:


Luke 17:34 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.


Luke 17:35 - Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


Now go make some fundie heads explode!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=214&topic_id=186751

:hi:

[Warpy]

17. The Jewish priests hated it and so did that moron Paul

but god is not on record saying much about it and Jesus never mentioned it.

Remember, Paul never met Jesus so it's unlikely they had any private conversations about it.

Jesus also never mentioned a word about abortion.

Homosexuality and abortion were both well known in his time. If he'd felt strongly about either, you can bet he'd have said something about it.

Fundies are just picking and choosing things that back up their own bigotry. The best thing to do is choose better friends.

[Golden Raisin]

18. David and Jonathan?

[mr blur]

19. er... "Who cares?"

Works for rational people everywhere.

[varkam]

21. Sometimes you've got to fight inanity with inanity.

[tekisui]

20. Just say "Don't use your myths to justify your bigotry."

[Mamacrat]

22. Newsweek Cover Story

Newsweek did a cover story on gay marriage last year: http://www.newsweek.com/id/172653 It's a good article with a few points you could use.

An excerpt:

Paul was tough on homosexuality, though recently progressive scholars have argued that his condemnation of men who "were inflamed with lust for one another" (which he calls "a perversion") is really a critique of the worst kind of wickedness: self-delusion, violence, promiscuity and debauchery. In his book "The Arrogance of Nations," the scholar Neil Elliott argues that Paul is referring in this famous passage to the depravity of the Roman emperors, the craven habits of Nero and Caligula, a reference his audience would have grasped instantly. "Paul is not talking about what we call homosexuality at all," Elliott says. "He's talking about a certain group of people who have done everything in this list. We're not dealing with anything like gay love or gay marriage. We're talking about really, really violent people who meet their end and are judged by God." In any case, one might add, Paul argued more strenuously against divorce—and at least half of the Christians in America disregard that teaching.