Do generally incompotent people populate management at your job?

[TwixVoy]

Poll question: Do generally incompotent people populate management at your job?

I am curious to see how many businesses employ decision makers that are inherently corrupt and incompotent.... primarily after reading about the inept/corrupt financial institutions leaders.

I realize this is an ENTIRELY subjective poll, but I think it would be interesting to see a random sample of opinions.

Basically the question is - do generally incompotent and/or corrupt people populate the management structure at the company you work at?

When I say incompotent I mean people who generally are clueless and make decisions that have negative impact on the company, community and/or it's employees for no good reason. People who are lazy, unqualified, and/or have been put in that position because they "know" people.

When I say corrupt I am talking about people who are generally with out ethics. Have advanced up through unethical actions, and continue to make unethical choices in that position.

[Xipe Totec]

1. The Peter Principle

"In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

[54anickel]

2. Job? What job? Company went belly-up due to incompetent management. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

3. Priceless OP.

[Reterr]

4. Lol.eom

[tularetom]

5. That was true of every job I ever had except the last one

Because there I was part of management.

I did notice that a lot of managers were where they were simply because of their skill at being sycophants or ass kissers and most of them had no management skills whatsoever.

And since they attained their lofty positions by brown nosing they were particularly insecure and thus susceptible to those who would manipulate them by using similar skills.

I got my management job because my boss croaked while getting it on with his secretary.

[lolly]

11. Built into the system

The skills required to be a good manager are not the skills required to be promoted to manager.

In fact, in many types of jobs they are mutually exclusive. People who are arrogant and overconfident make terrible managers and make many mistakes, but these are the people who impress others in job interviews, and who push themselves into the limelight where the higher-ups can notice them.

[mucifer]

6. In my job the supervisors are inept. But, not at all corrupt. They are good honest

people. Just not the brightest bulbs. They mean well and have big hearts. I work for a non-profit hospice.

[Cynical Guy]

7. My management is a mixed bag.

All thoroughly Republican, so braindead in that sense.

But some of them see the big picture, can make decisions that are good for the organization and the employees.

Others live up to all of my expectations by not confronting corruption in the pay process that allows dishonest people to bill for hours they didn't work. They're generally nice and likable, but haven't the spine to actually fix the things that could make the company that much more ethical.

[MercutioATC]

8. I work for the federal government...

...need I say more?

[rcrush]

14. lol

:toast:

[Bettie]

9. Actually, the answer is for DH's job....

...since I'm a stay at home mom, I am management here, though the "workers", my children, don't totally believe I'm in charge!

DH says incompetent people make it management, not because they are actively corrupt, but because the lack the intellectual capacity to distinguish good from evil.

He has also noted that many managers tend toward excessive religion, which shows a lack of intellectual curiosity and a willingness to do as they are told without question, thus making them ideal for today's management styles.

He is often pretty frustrated.

[KG]

29. boy does that statement hit a nail on the head:

'lack of intellectual curiosity and a willingness to do as they are told without question, thus making them ideal for today's management styles.'

this has been my experience; that management in the crappier places i've worked at was made up of those brain-dead enough to stick around and get promoted through sheer attrition.

[FudaFuda]

10. I had an exceptionally competent boss from 2003 thru 2008, but ...

he did his job so well it exposed the incompetence, sloth, and disregard for ethics in those above him. So he got pushed aside - still works there, but all authority is gone. My new boss, i.e.the replacement, is a lazy fatass just keeping her mouth shut and spewing the company line when her string is puled, so she can lock in the big boss salary for when her retirement hits in 2 years.

[catzies]

12. I've worked for family businesses, so related=employed=incompetent

And no accountability. No matter how much they screw up or cost the company they're always the ones who get raises and perks and bonuses. Even in bad times.

[LostInAnomie]

13. The ability to be a successful manager is rarely a quality that coincides with being a manager.

I've worked at family businesses, small businesses, and very large businesses, and it is a very rare thing that good managers ever are promoted beyond lower level management.

Upper management usually breaks down like this:

Family business = family members

Small business = family members or ass kissers

Large business = ass kissers or people who are very good at using buzz words or business lingo to impress those who are interviewing.

So much for a meritocracy.

[Bettie]

26. That is exactly the problem

The top performers tend to be the last promoted too because they are too important in their current positions, tending to cover the butts of others and do more than their own jobs.

The people who talk a good game and don't know what they're doing can be promoted because they have extra time to kiss butt and know the buzz words to make themselves look like they're worthwhile.

[Fumesucker]

15. People who are too competent are a threat to those over them..

Once an incompetent person reaches management they start actively obstructing anyone below them in the hierarchy that is significantly more competent purely out of self protection.

If you know, or even suspect, that a person below you could do your job better than you then that person is a threat to your position and the marginally competent will recognize this and act to make sure that person never gets a chance to show what they can do.

The incompetent climb the management ladder largely through social networking and sycophancy with a touch of Machiavellian obstructionism added to the mix.

[pnutbutr]

19. this

I've seen it almost everywhere I have ever worked and through acquaintances who should in no way have ever made it to the positions they currently occupy at their jobs. It's quite frustrating.

[moondust]

16. "Now Under No Management"

Of course they think of themselves and demand to be treated as highly skilled professionals worthy of enormous salaries and endless praise ("now kiss my ass"). The arrogance of tyrants.

Monica Goodling hires Bozo. Bozo hires Bimbo. Bimbo hires Booby. Booby hires Bunko. Bunko hires...

And we all end up with a collapsed economy still run by incompetent pigs at most levels.

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17. good is good, fuckups are fuckups. management or labor. i have worked both sides...

and both sides have their equal amounts of good and bad.

there is no special benefit to being in management. you are probably as stupid as everyone thinks you are. even with your clip on tie and short sleeve shirt.

there is no special benefit in being a worker either. you are probably as stupid as everyone thinks you are.

we all bring what we do to the task.

everybody does a job for a paycheck. we all do sometimes what we have to do to collect that paycheck. don't kid yourself that your effort is higher or mightier than the next guy.

we all do jobs. that's why they call it work.

like that...

[Fumesucker]

18. The point being though...

How do the "fuckups" gain authority to tell others what to do in the first place?

Most of us know which of our coworkers are fuckups and which are not, how is it that fuckups get promoted to manage other people?

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[pnutbutr]

23. definately management

cause you have no clue. I got a job promotion sort of. New responsibilities, new job focus, more important shit. I asked for at the very least a title change to go with it because my new responsibilities are associated with a higher level title and was given a very stern, NO! as an answer because it would have technically made me management.

[Fumesucker]

25. "Asshole"

:rofl:

Touched a nerve, eh?

[pnutbutr]

21. You must be management nt

[Chef Eric]

22. "Incompotent" people???

How can you expect to be taken seriously when you misspell "incompetent"?

[W_HAMILTON]

24. FUCK YES.

One in particular is an especially cheesy bastard who could play the role of the stereotypical dumbass manager spewing out bs like "empowerment, teamwork, etc."

This is the same stupid son of a bitch that took the time to look up and print a definition of teamwork, then, one day when he was walking by one of the common areas and found a small trash can full, he took a housekeeper and pointed it out and said that they should empty it.

I hate him.

[LanternWaste]

27. other...

While management appears competent in my office, it's the workers themselves who seem to lack even a kids-sized portion of common sense, initiative, respect, and ethics.

[Odin2005]

28. Not at mine, but...

...in the preschool kitchen I work in I have mentally disabled people and their "job coaches" helping me and they are constantly having to deal with incompetence by the higher-ups all the time, incompetence that risked the health and safety of the disabled individuals.