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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 03:47 PM Original message |
RE:F22One day we're going to find out that our F15's, F16's & F18's are no longer able to defend us. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. Maybe we already have a secret fleet of something better at the Skunkworks. n/t |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I doubt it... the F35 is slated to be the aircraft after the F22 |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
80. WHAT? |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hence the F35s -nt |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. The F-35s are crap, and vastly inferior to the F-22. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Based on what evaluative criteria? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
100. That is why we are keeping both |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
121. When it comes to air to ground, our existing warbirds are more than adequate. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
161. Different mission than the F22 |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #161 |
211. Upgrade the avionics. |
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vicman (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. How many F22's do we need? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. The Russians aren't really the threat. They will sell the planes to other companies |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
158. transnational corporations - how true. they are the enemy. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. Maybe if we didn't attack a new country every few years, we wouldn't have to worry so much. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Thank you, we spend far too much on war and not nearly enough on peace. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Not accurate. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. We don't? |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. You forgot to mention Grenada, Panama, Serbia, Somalia, Columbia, and the Sudan. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Rewrite History Much? |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
57. Grenada and Panama attacked us? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Not the Continental U.S. but American citizens in their countries YES. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Grenada? |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Next the OP will tell us about the slaughtered babies of Kuwait. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No I won't - the first Gulf War was about oil just as the current Iraq occupation is. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
127. Oh yes. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
82. No one in the international community agreed with the excuse given for Panama |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. The WOD is a pseudo war but not a winnable one. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #90 |
119. Right after people stop wanting to take the drug alcohol.. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #119 |
138. I don't believe that it can ever be TOTALLY eliminated... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #138 |
154. But the popularity of alcohol and reefer have remained fairly constant through all that.. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #154 |
164. I don't disagree but the solution to a screwed up society isn't to mask the symptoms with drugs |
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Every Man A King (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #61 |
208. Doug No Clue n/t |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Cambodia and Laos are part of Vietnam. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I said "attacking" not "invading" other countries |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. That's ridiculuous. Iraq and Vietnam are the only real unjustifiable uses of American force |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. How was Grenada justifiable? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. American citizens were threatened in Grenada |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
86. No they weren't. That is just total nonsense. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
111. You should know better than to believe Reagan-era propaganda |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #111 |
195. All I know |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 05:47 AM Response to Reply #195 |
205. What utter bullshit. My ex wife was from Grenada, and I went there a few years after the "war" |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #195 |
222. I assume the Cubans imposed martial law during the coup attempt |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
131. You for got the sarcasm smilie. n/t |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
65. "people went to jail for it" |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
73. Stop trying to rewrite your posts |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Cambodia and Laos were DEFINITELY part of Vietnam. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #79 |
209. You are using the word "Vietnam" to include the whole Vietnam conflict... |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
105. ddeclue |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Republican President in 1953, Eisenhower NOT Truman. |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #108 |
206. ddeclue |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. WHAT? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Um NO... are you listening to your nonsense? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. afghanistan did nothing to us- but we attacked them. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Other than provide aid and comfort and safe harbor to those who launched 9/11 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. the reason we invaded afghanistan was to prepare for the invasion of iraq. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Ummm NO we invade Afghanistan because it was the launching platform for 9/11 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. 9/11 was carried out and funded by saudi's...the 'pilots' trained in the u.s.... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. The plan was hatched and controlled by the AQ leadership in Afghanistan |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
91. The plan was hatched and financed by Saudi royals |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Saudi Royals is a rather indefinite term given how many members of the "royal family" there actually |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
130. But we didn't go there. We still haven't. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #130 |
140. Not my fault that George W. Bush was President the last 8 years.. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
117. are you implying that all of the 9/11 pilots had afghani passports? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #117 |
141. No where they had passports from is NOT the issue... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #141 |
171. then why did you bring up passports? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. I don't recall bringing up passports, you did.. and you are misinterpreting Bush letting OBL go.. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. you don't have to recall- just go to your post #74. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. Twisting my argument sir... YOU brought up the passport issue.. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #179 |
191. show me a post earlier than #74 where i brought up passports, and i'll believe you... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #179 |
216. just as i thought...doug noclue runs and hides again. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. Not one single 9/11 hijacker was from Afghanistan, it was not a launching pad for anything. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. It WAS their hide out and launching pad. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
120. No it wasn't they trained in the US and launched their attacks from our airports. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. nor were they funded by afghanistan. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #123 |
149. No but they sure as HELL were headquartered there... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #120 |
147. Deliberately obtuse... where they have passports is a ridiculous basis for a war. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #147 |
152. First where is bin Laden? Second what evidence do you have that he planned the attacks? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. His own video proclamations and that of others (KSM) have said so.. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. Are you referring to this obviously fake video? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #160 |
170. No... you can be obtuse if you want but Osama bin Laden was actually |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #170 |
178. Wow you sure like to put words in my mouth... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. We didn't need a war until 9/11 but it would have been politically unacceptable on 9/12 to NOT go |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. And Gore would have been just as wrong, you don't go to war over a single individual. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. By your bizarre rationalization then the Revolutionary War was about George Washington |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. bin Laden doesn't command an army, you are comparing apples and oranges. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. By your bizarre rationalization then the Revolutionary War was about George Washington |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
56. wow - that is nonsense. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. NO we generally only have been in that mode under Republican Presidents |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Carter was the anomaly. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Clinton's uses of force were justifiable either in response to attacks on U.S. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Or consume a disproportionate share of the |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Regrettably I have to disagree. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Apples and oranges |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Convince the dead |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. You completely missed my point |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #41 |
200. You completely missed mine |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. The only country with aircraft anywhere near equivalent to ours is Russia. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Yeah well that's nice but those aircraft are still obsolete and China and Iran and most of the G20 |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Not to mention the fact that Russia's aircraft are even worse than ours |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. No their latest Migs are on par with our front line aircraft and their new ones will surpass them. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. Agreed. n/t |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. And what good did those F15's and F16's do us on 9/11? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. And terrorism, isn't the only threat in the world - that's Bush-think. nt |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. and our super duper Alaskan based anti missile missiles |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. THAAD might work... it might not... |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
106. I was at a conference where this chinese engineer was asked about |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Pretty much standard stuff and all true... |
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icnorth (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
109. Backed up by Sarah the vigilant |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. LOL! |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. Maybe she can shot them down from one of her wolf shooting helicopters.. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
13. Oh lawd. |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
18. It seems pretty clear the future of this technology |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Not really - at least not for the forseeable future. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
47. That's so not true. years, decades according to analysts. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. No but I know technology and I really don't see that being true |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Singer states the industry's argument that SemiAtomatedSystems... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Computer intelligence is just no replacement for human intelligence |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. Morally disturbing has never stopped the United States from being number one. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I know what they are capable of and what they are not capable of. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Ok. I totally agree with you but please notice my point that |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. My experience with programming computers only reinforces my belief |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #107 |
207. If you're a programmer, then you should know how quickly artificial intelligence is progressing |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
193. pretty sure the real trend is towards unmanned aircraft |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 05:11 AM Response to Reply #193 |
203. I just don't see how there is any denying it. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. it is OFFENSE spending NOT Defense |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Yes we DO spend more than the next 27 nations combined |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
125. So now Europe is going to attack us? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. NO - they are going to sell planes to someone who will. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Who? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #135 |
143. It's just speculation but the most likely people would be in the Middle East or in China |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #143 |
159. So Iran and China. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #159 |
172. They aren't going to attack the US mainland. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #172 |
214. Taiwan is part of China as far as China is concerned. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
31. God Forbid we spend less than THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED on our military!!! |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I'm NOT talking about MORE defense spending, just better choices |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
37. "the necessary invasion of Afghanistan..." ??? when was that? i guess i missed it. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Yeah you did.. Don't remember Uncle Ahmed diggin a trench in your front yard? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Umm does the name Osama bin Laden mean anything to you? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. oh- was he finally apprehended? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Don't patronize me...9/11 was a WAR crime, not a mere crime and Afghanistan as a sovereign nation is |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. you really need to learn what a 'war crime' actually is. words mean things. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. No YOU need to learn what war crime means. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. when there is a war going on perhaps. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
95. I flatly deny your premise that only "sovereign nations" can declare or engage in warfare. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
122. the minutemen who fired on british troops were british citizens... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #122 |
133. And how are they any different than any terrorist anywhere? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #133 |
166. because terrorists are criminals, not part of any national drive. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #166 |
183. You are the one making legalistic ridiculous distinctions about what constitutes an "Act of War" |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #183 |
192. that's because you described 9/11 as a 'war crime', which it obviously wasn't. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
84. Osama Bin Laden? Has to do what with Afghanistan? Beside the fact |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. Oh brother... what a bunch of nonsense... now you are parroting right wing nutters |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. I was thinking the same of you... |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. thanks. for a moment there I thought I had to take him serious. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. Read "ghost Wars" .-.. My history professor is most certainly not |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. It is utter nonsense that Clinton could have had OBL on a silver platter in the 90's |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #116 |
129. It was in 99/00. The CIA was running the drones, and the argument |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #129 |
151. I'm sorry but there was no way that WJC was gonna get OBL on a silver platter |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 05:08 AM Response to Reply #151 |
202. If you are telling me that OBL COMMANDED GROUND FORCES |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
221. It Was In 2001. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #221 |
228. i remember the UNnecessary invasion of iraq... 8 years ago and we're still...there...? |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
42. One day we're going to find out that.... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. They fly rings around our existing aircraft - they are most decidedly NOT junk. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. I'm sorry but I'm not impressed with something that was promised.... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
118. Where do you get all this from? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #118 |
153. That is for all intents and purposes a cancellation. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Which is why the F-22 & F-35 were always intended as a team. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #157 |
167. And when we have to fight China??? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #167 |
173. Lets se China get 80 aircraft in the same cateogry as F-22 |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. China is geographically large as well as populous and growing richer all the time |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
227. I'd say the F-22 program was a success. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
44. Oh, dear, Oh dear! The bogeyman(men) will get us! |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
48. When was the last time we lost a dog fight? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
71. The F16 is old and obsolete. You might have noticed that I said |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
136. It hasn't happened lately, therefore it will never happen? (nt) |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
52. Cut the Defense Budget by 30%, then let the generals decide where to spend what's left. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
53. "You can't trust them Russkies, Mr. President!" |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
59. One can only hope. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
62. I know. This is very disappointing news indeed. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
83. any idea when that day might come? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. Agreed UAV are main focus. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
137. in fact, the number is increasing to 187 |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #137 |
148. See even better. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
85. Obama must know a President's first duty as CIC is to fulfill the oath taken by all officers under |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
113. I'm still waiting for him to go after our domestic enemies |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #85 |
210. So you think we've had about 44 presidents who were guilty of treason? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #210 |
212. Either you meant that as a joke or you failed to read my post. n/t |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #212 |
215. I read your post, not your mind. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #215 |
217. People familiar with the duties of a President know the seminal documents are NIEs. Have a great day |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
89. They aren't getting rid of the F-22 |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
94. Then we'll use our F35s. nt |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #94 |
114. The amusing thing is that some people upthread don't realize that the F-22 |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #114 |
132. Most of us are arguing we don't need much of either of them. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #132 |
142. Who is number one arms seller in the word? |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #142 |
146. HaHa! As I said good luck selling this shit to the Europeans... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #146 |
156. Wrong again. That is the only trend. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 04:55 AM Response to Reply #156 |
201. The moment you sell the F'35 to Japan or Australia you will have delivered the tech to China. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #132 |
144. In training and testing, the F-22 is in a performance class FAR by itself |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #144 |
163. THANKS - exactly my point but this thread has degenerated into |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 05:18 AM Response to Reply #163 |
204. That's true. But I'm of the persuasion |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
184. LOL, this is your justification? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. The point is that other nations that will be at odds with the US (or its allies) |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #114 |
165. Thank you... |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
124. There are always people out there looking to insult John Bull... |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Now your talkin. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
128. It'll probably cost the government more to get out of the contracts |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
139. The US Air Force seems to have the unique ability to turn large amounts of cash into hi-tech weapons |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. cutting edge trash. Uniquely American. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
150. Missiles and drones are where it's at. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
162. Read this thread I opened up. or are you working for one of the companies working on the F22? |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
168. False conclusions and wrong premises. The F22 is obsolete. The real reason behind Obama's decision |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #168 |
194. Everyone has an idea just not all of them are good. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
169. So license-build the Typhoon, save money and have a great fighter |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #169 |
190. Typhoon? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #190 |
196. This Typhoon- the Eurofighter |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Oh, and keep cranking out the F-15E as a medium bomber/drone mothership |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #196 |
198. I like the old one... |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #196 |
225. Notice the fixed exhaust on the Eurofighter. The F-22 uses a vectored thrust. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
177. I think you make an important point. |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
181. Meh, the Air Force needs to learn how to manage their projects. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-06-09 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
189. Wow, an aerospace engineer wedded to the need for more aerospace engineering! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
199. As long as the designers go for functionality instead of designing planes-- |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
213. And who is to blame for this? |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
218. Ok. Who has carriers as well as any benefit from invading the US? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
219. The French once built a big expensive wall to keep the Germans out. |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
220. A long thread full of "liberals" |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
223. Bigger current threat - MIGs or IEDs? n/t |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
224. We'd have to try using them for defense, first. n/t |
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Mr. Hyde (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
226. I agree and have told my congress people as much. they didn't listen apparently |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-07-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
229. let us pound our weapons into plowshares |
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