I wish MSNBC had picked Thom instead of Ed

[librechik]

1) Thom can strangle RW propoganda, Ed has trouble even acknowledging it.

2) Thom knows all the details on every story, unlike the unprepared Ed

3) We need another liberal Rachel, not a liberal Rush.

4) Ed is in it for himself. He's already talking about scarfing up overnight hours on MSNBC. Thom is in it for WE THE PEOPLE.

5) Try as I might, I learn nothing new from Ed. Thom has me brimming with new ideas all the time.

Sorry, MSNBC. FAIL.

one good point: a self-labeled liberal has a show! Success!

but IS he a liberal? Not sure...

[Drunken Irishman]

1. The lead singer of Radiohead?

[librechik]

7. No, Thom Hartmann

would be my preference for the next liberal TV news guy.

[walldude]

16. He's a Creep.... n/t

[onehandle]

2. I love Thom but he could Not pull in moderates.

Ed will do great to appeal to people who don't know that they are actually liberals.

Thom would be preaching to the choir.

[tekisui]

3. The thing to remember with Ed, is you are likely not his target audience.

He can be frustrating sometimes, but he brings new people to the Democratic Party. Hartmann teaches me how to best debate RWers, but Ed's role is important, too.

[rucky]

4. He's not as cuddly. n/t

[EFerrari]

5. I agree. Thom is the real deal. Ed is marketing himself. n/t

[Raine]

6. Ed did a good job

for his first show, he stuck it to Newtie and other reTHUGs, got in some pretty good digs at them. :thumbsup:

[hlthe2b]

8. I know what you mean, but TH is "too cerebral" for cable tv

apparently. Not suggesting that KO and Rachel are not likewise brilliant in their own ways, but Thom is so smart, I suspect he intimidated some of the "suits" who would be convinced they'd never get a "cross over" audience.

I adore Thom. But, then, I like "cerebral."

[goforit]

9. Come on.... Compared to Faux...Ed was awesome!!!

[hlthe2b]

10. Do they repeat his show? 4pm Mountain time means I'll never

see it, at least "live."

[librechik]

27. nope, no repeats

I don't get to see it either--I can barely stand the radio show, though he has improved some over the last few years.

I just think we have enough conservadems in the media, and that is the main reason they picked him.

[hlthe2b]

36. re: "can barely stand the radio show.."

Yeah, my listening is pretty intermittent. I admire his pro-union stance, but he frequently goes off on some uninformed tangent that drives me nuts. With trepidation I will wait for reports from those who follow his new tv show. :)

[MarjorieG]

11. If Ed is not an informed, deep thinker, his guests should be. What was Lars and Elder doing so anti-

Obama, not acknowledging the making-up we have to do.

Katrina is forever hopeful we'll have a progressive uprising, but she's a complex thinker.

[Berry Cool]

12. If he is going to subject me to the likes of Lars Larson regularly,

I may be rethinking being happy about him having his own show...

[BlueJac]

13. Ed is a phony, an x- republican that saw a chance to capitalize...

He can never quit patting himself on the back. I used to listen to him but I can't take him anymore, I will not watch him on MSN.

[Mika]

14. Ed is a wind sock. Checks the direction of the wind that is best for Ed.

[islandmkl]

15. really??...what radio show host has promoted, debated, covered...

the EFCA as much as Ed?

have you ever been to a church where the choir was larger than the congregation??

we don't need a choir leader...we need a gut-puncher...

that last 'cerebral' guy that won a major boxing match was probably Ali...one of the greatest punchers of all time, by the way...

[Sebastian Doyle]

17. The first half of Schultz' show was pretty good.

Then he brought two right wing shitheads on, probably at the insistence of the GE overlords. If that's going to be a regular feature on the program, then Hartmann definitely would have been a better choice, because he knows how to bury the Repuke talking points.

[islandmkl]

18. you state the obvious, something Hartmann would ALSO have to deal with to be on air:

"Then he brought two right wing shitheads on, probably at the insistence of the GE overlords."

What, Thom wouldn't have these guests on? on a corporate TV program? if that was true, Thom would be having his own show on whatever network he wished...

you can't bitch about GE, and then expect them to do something that is counter to what you (we) perceive to be their own self-interests...

[Sebastian Doyle]

22. Oh I'm sure the GE overlords would force right wingers on Thom's show too

I just think he would handle them a lot better. As he does every day on the radio.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. Better yet, I would have loved for Cenk Uygur to be in that time slot. (nt)

[leftofthedial]

20. Ed's a blockhead,

but at least he is a staunch union supporter and focused on the workers.

I WAY prefer Thom, but I can stomach Ed.

[librechik]

26. yeah, he's a huge improvement over Fox--I can give him his chance

I suppose

[omega minimo]

37. I appreciate that view and had it at one time but Ed becomes unlistenable.........he's fake

[leftofthedial]

I don't listen often and don't plan to watch his show,

but his pro-union stance seems pretty authentic.

I always had the feeling he was just playing the role he thought would make him the most money.

[omega minimo]

42. yup. I can't listen cuz of the histrionic cartoon voice. "BOY I Say BOY" that giant rooster......

:shrug:

[leftofthedial]

43. LOL

He's also pretty thoroughly ignorant on many issues.

[omega minimo]

45. well there's that.

:spray: thot you were gonna tell me what Col. Cluck's name was........

[omega minimo]

48. FOGHORN LEGHORN

:rofl:

[leftofthedial]

49. I SAY son.

[omega minimo]

50. I SAY son I SAY son those libruls ah aftah you ahhssss Ah SAY

[BlooInBloo]

21. Sam Seder for me, but whatever.

[Critters2]

23. Thom often bores me to tears. I'll take Ed. nt

[ksilvas]

33. Agree.

Thom has got the brains, but if thats what got
Americans excited, we wouldn't have let Bush steal the election.
Even when Hartman get passionate, he sounds like 4 weeks into a long Portland winter.
And I lived there.

[omega minimo]

38. different strokes: Ed's constant edge of hysterical hypertension is a turn off.

[onehandle]

24. Ed bashers, you're in the minority.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5402977

[The Gunslinger]

28. The "minority" has opinions that need to be heard as well.

I'm glad Ed got a show. He's not my favorite radio host, but he does stand up for the working people. I think he doesn't handle the rightists on his radio show well, (he lets them get away with saying all kinds of BS). I hope he does well.

[onehandle]

30. There are many who don't like Ed for the same reason they didn't like The Al Franken Show.

They're not ultra-left 100% of the time.

Ed and Al get that to pull more people into the liberal fold, you have to talk about more than impeaching Bush and 9/11 conspiracies.

[omega minimo]

41. that's a load of total horseshit. You want R Lite? Call it what it is!! That comparison is total BS

http://www.thomhartmann.com

[Moochy]

47. Straw Man I just Cant Quit You!

[omega minimo]

39. that's because he IS one!

:think:

[omega minimo]

35. No we're not. Ed is bogus. We is not dumb.

[Born Free]

25. Give him some time,

He appeared a little nervous and not comfortable with the format , give him a week or two and see what happens. It was nice hearing from a Union leader and not have the host try to belittle him. If they are going to have right wing nuts on I hope they invite my favorite Right Wing Show host, Steven Colbert.

The local listings still don't show "The Ed Show", our Tivo wishlist is watching for it, but nothing so far, I need to manually record that time spot.

[blogslut]

29. I'm just glad to get another left-leaning voice

I would have preferred Cenk Uygur but we can't always get what we want.

[blondeatlast]

31. Ed may very well pave the way for the likes of Cenk.

I mean, I never would've thought Rachel Maddow would get her own show on television.

[WI_DEM]

32. I liked Ed he's got my vote.

[omega minimo]

34. Thom is a progressive, Ed is not.

Ed is not liberal, not Progressive and barely Democrat, not Centrist not nothin but a loudmouth showman with no real stake in his political pretensions or what it means to the rest of us.

Thom is for real.

:patriot:

[Canuckistanian]

40. I lie awake at night, DREAMING of a Thom Hartmann TV show

Is that even possible? Can one "lie awake dreaming"?

Thom could take on Hannity, Rush and O'Reilly and STILL have enough wits about him to deliver a rant about the demise of Glass-Steagall.

I never miss his show.

[Critters2]

51. A Thom Hartmann TV show would help me dream,

in that it would put me to sleep. Except when Roni Deutsch starts screaming. :scared:

[OwnedByFerrets]

44. I am Thoms biggest fan, but he doesnt have a riveting television

personality. He is perfect right where he is.....but with more stations/affiliates.

[omega minimo]

46. "Riveting"? Is Bill Moyer's "riveting"? as for that, Ed isn't "riveting," he's bloviating

FWIW

[HughMoran]

52. Ed's helping lure back the blue collar union types, Thom is more intellectual

Perhaps Thom is more appealing to some DUers, but I like both of them. They each have their place and I'll give the nod to Ed for being more entertaining and he works on TV. I haven't seen Thom on TV though, so I don't know how he comes across on the tube.

[bridgit]

53. If you've ever heard Thom discussing organic chemistry on his program...

with some very, very, very-very org/chem savvy callers into his show you'll know that answer as there is simply no comparison between 'ed' (even blessing Ed's heart and wishing him every future kindness) and Thom Hartman period

[Norquist Nemesis]

54. Meh, I like Ed. Thought he did fine but someone should have warned

him not to have that repulsive Lars Larson on along with Elder. IMO, he should have either had just one of them at the very least or a left of center "media commentator". That's part of the problem with these wing-nuts that get spots on the shows...they get on there as if they some sort of moderate, rational voice then throw some shit on the wall. The host can't take up too much time cleaning up the shit and allow the wing-nut guest to derail, but the damage is done.

I like Thom, but he has repeatedly said he does not have the personality for TV and has no wish to do it. And, likewise, Thom will very often give an "well, ok" and move on when the shit goes on the wall for the same reason. It's infuriating every time it happens, and it does over and over and over and over. I must be blind and deaf, because I never heard any of our side (the few of them that even got any airtime) taking this same tactic.

Oh, and the other thing is when they bogart the time and interrupt when they're losing in the discussion. Lars tried it with Katrina (notice how he and Elder were quite polite with one another though?).