so american men are developing breasts; male fish in the Potomac

[ensho]

River are producing roe (eggs)

does that mean that the american's man's Adam's Apple will go the way of the dinosaur? deep american male voices becoming rare?

what's to be done with the man made hormone that is found in just about everything?

[Eric J in MN]

1. It's the estrogen-mimickers in pesticides.

We need to ban some of these pesticides.

[ensho]

2. yes, its a toxic mix changing all of us

nt

[HereSince1628]

4. It's also estrogenic material found in plasticizers

Fabrics, plastic bags, even plastic wrap have been pointed to as sources. I don't know how all of those have held up under scrutiny.

[Occam Bandage]

8. I agree that we should ban any and all pesticides that can be found

to have any demonstrable effect on humans through sustained low-level exposure.

[seabeyond]

3. self delete.... sigh. n/t

[Ilsa]

5. Heck, I'll donate some testosterone if anyone needs it. I produce

enough to keep plenty of facial hair unfortunately! ;)

Maybe Ann Coulter can donte her Adams apple to some deserving man. But not Rush. He's wimpy.

[Ilsa]

6. Is there an article you're reading on this? Got a link or point me in the right direction. Thanks! n

[Occam Bandage]

7. Evolution does not work that way. nt

[ensho]

10. this is not evolution this is a body's reaction to certain toxins

the 'reaction' will evolve

[Eric J in MN]

11. When a toxic environment interferes with the instructions of the genes,

...the result is lower average sperm count and other effects.

================================
Pesticides lower sperm levels, study finds

By Rita Rubin, USA TODAY

Scientists for the first time have shown a link between levels of widely used agricultural pesticides in men's bodies and the number and quality of their sperm.

In a study out Wednesday, researchers found that men with higher levels of three pesticides widely used in the Midwest were more likely to have below-average semen quality and sperm counts than men with lower levels of the chemicals.

The scientists studied 50 men in rural Missouri and 36 men in Minneapolis. Their wives were patients at prenatal care clinics, so they were fertile. Based on semen samples, the men were divided into two groups: those with low sperm counts and quality and those with better semen quality.

...A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lab measured levels of the byproducts of 15 different pesticides in urine samples from the men. Men with higher levels of alachlor, atrazine and diazinon were significantly more likely to have poorer sperm quality, the researchers report in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives. All three pesticides were more likely to be found in high levels in the Missouri men than in the Minneapolis men.
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[Occam Bandage]

14. Sure. But to suggest "going the way of the dinosaur" implies

a lasting evolutionary effect. If we were to have a hundred full generations of men with feminine features due to ambient estrogen, and then we were to remove all that environmental estrogen immediately, humanity would in the next generation snap back to its natural form.

Also hurrah for virile Minneapolitans.

[Toucano]

34. That ain't necessarily so.

To "go the way of the dinosaur" does not imply a lasting evolutionary effect.

Dinosaurs were not die as a result of lasting evolutionary effect. I believe the most widely accepted hypothesis is that the environment changed too rapidly for the majority of dinosaurs to adapt or evolve to accommodate the changes.

I think that was what was being said by "go the way of the dinosaurs".


Also, there is no way to be certain that the next generation would "snap back to its natural form". The effect of environment on genetic mutation is a demonstrable and sometimes unpredictable variable.

[LanternWaste]

38. That's how I inferred it also...

That's how I inferred it also... :shrug:

[Occam Bandage]

42. Sure they did.

There was a drastic environmental change, and as a result dinosaurs either went extinct (that is to say, met an evolutionary dead end) or heavily evolved. There was a lasting change brought about by severe environmental pressure. Meanwhile, there's no indication that higher environmental levels of estrogen would impose any sort of evolutionary pressure against higher testosterone/lower estrogen production. Perhaps there would be some amount of recompensatory pressure (in the opposite direction OP suggests, assuming we could somehow achieve the bottleneck necessary for any degree of evolution within such a short span as one hundred generations), but to suggest that external changes to the soma would be genetically encoded? That's Lamarckism.

[Toucano]

43. Well, Lamarckism lives.

A Comeback for Lamarckian Evolution?

Two new studies show that the effects of a mother's early environment can be passed on to the next generation.

http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/22061/

[rug]

9. If American men develop breasts productivity will come to a screeching halt.

[Toucano]

30. Maybe it's an al qaeda plot to destroy our fighting forces.

Or the reverse!

"Sorry Osama, I don't have to wait for my virgins in heaven. That American in fatigues over there has a great rack!"

[marmar]

12. Moobs have reached epidemic proportions......

:scared:

[Stevenmarc]

13. Men with breasts, I can see a lot more bromances.

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. I would respectfully disagree with the notion that male fish could produce eggs

without wholesale anatomical changes manifested over a nearly inconceivable amount of time.

[Eric J in MN]

16. 'Male fish growing eggs found in Potomac'

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SHARPSBURG, Md. - Male fish that are growing eggs have been found in the Potomac River near Sharpsburg, a sign that a little-understood type of pollution is spreading downstream from West Virginia, a federal scientist says.

The so-called intersex abnormality may be caused by pollutants from sewage plants, feedlots and factories that can interfere with animals' hormone systems, The Washington Post reported.

Nine male smallmouth bass taken from the Potomac near Sharpsburg, about 60 miles upstream from Washington, were found to have developed eggs inside their sex organs, said Vicki S. Blazer, a scientist overseeing the research for the U.S. Geological Survey.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6741471/

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[cherokeeprogressive]

19. I seem to have been mistaken in my belief.

Having read the National Geographic story where Ms. Blazer was quoted, the article does say that male fish have been discovered producing eggs.

I'd find the HOW of it fascinating to find out. Testicles producing eggs. How similar is the egg produced by the male fish to that of the female fish?

[SoCalDem]

26. Has to be painful to the little fishies too

:(

[ensho]

18. its not a notion. scientist have actually seen these fish. they have mixed

sexual organs. it is happening in all species including us.

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. I only mix sexual organs with the Ms.

And neither one of us, at this point, is capable of producing any reproductive material at all.

[ensho]

17. I've read a report that plastic surgeons are doing more breast reductions

on men. a growing business.

don't remember what article or where. think I saw one Dr. speak of it on that reality show on plastic surgeons.

[4_TN_TITANS]

21. What's to worry, I like playing with my new rack... n/t

[mitchum]

22. The same reason that males born after 1980 have smaller genitalia

[Toucano]

25. Excuse me, but I am going to have to ask for a link on that one.

Much obliged.

[mitchum]

35. Why should I care about a link...I was born in the 60s...

:)
There was a British research report released a couple of years ago. Sorry,but I don't have the link at hand.
Can you imagine the sheer size of flying cars those guys are gonna demand in order to compensate?
And what does that bode for the porn industry?

[Toucano]

37. ROFL!

Happily pre-1980 as well.

Cheers!

[ThomWV]

27. Its also well know that males born in 1947 have immense genitalia

Who knows why? Maybe some strange alignment of the planets, I don't know. At any rate it has been a burden to bear.

[EFerrari]

28. LOL

[shadowknows69]

32. Nuclear tests

When something gets bigger it's always radiation. Godzilla, Them (Giant ants), your penis; you see the pattern.

[LanternWaste]

39. Explains the increased popularity of...

Explains the increased popularity of SUVs and guns... :evilgrin:

[RedCappedBandit]

40. shit!

lol

[LLStarks]

23. This topic is confusing me. nt

[Eric J in MN]

24. kick

kick

[The Straight Story]

29. Now I just need to develop a vagina and I can go fuck myself

:rofl:

[leftstreet]

31. How big can men boobs get before an indecent exposure charge?

I've actually pondered this before, while at the beach - and I've thought 'wait a minute...the women have to cover up...er'

:shrug:

[Toucano]

36. The difference is men are aroused by women's breasts

and revolted by men's breasts.

Since I must punish what arouses me (Jezebel!), women must remain covered so I can avoid the embarrassment and frustration of an unapproved erection.

[ThomWV]

33. If fish in the potomac had breasts teenage boys would line the banks throbing in mastabatory harmony

Think of it as poetic and the mental picture won't bother you so much.

[mitchum]

41. And the ghost of Walt Whitman would be hovering nearby watching those teenage boys

and that would make it truly poetic

[flvegan]

44. I'd look to our diet for the men.

Lots of hormones involved in the production of a lot of our food.

[ensho]

45. true - male breasts are the canary in the mine for all mammals

nt