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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:45 PM
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Flame wars and Internet forum psychology.
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 05:49 PM by Ladyhawk
I've done a lot of thinking about behavior on Internet forums. I think there are differences between the way people act on an anonymous Internet forum and the way they act in face-to-face discussions. I'm actually so appalled by the behavior of people on Internet forums that it is starting to make me physically ill. Yet I still participate. (Maybe that's something to investigate another time.) I'm getting to the point where I hate Internet forums and what they do to people, especially Internet forums that deal with important topics like politics, religion and sex.

I believe Internet forum behavior is so bizarre and so different from normal day-to-day interaction, it deserves an in-depth psychological study. I don't have the training to conduct such a study, but someone with the knowledge and resources definitely should. The Internet has great power, but the strange behavior it engenders scares me half to death.

I've come up with some broad hypotheses that seek to explain nasty Internet behavior. Some of them echo what others have said, but here's the gist:

1. Internet anonymity makes it easier for a person to act like an ass, which begs the question: Is the forum poster a good person who only acts like an ass due to anonymity or is he/she an ass who behaves better in non-anonymous situations? Or is there a better question to ask?

2. A large percentage of human interpersonal communication is non-verbal. Written communication cannot carry as much information about the intention of the forum poster. That's why we rely on emoticons, which still cannot convey non-verbal communication. A lot of what a poster is trying to say gets lost and the threads quickly devolve into flame wars.

3. Everyone is pissed about the state of the world and comes to DU in a really bad mood. Certain threads in which most people agree on a particular subject tend to function as "mob mentality." Person A is pissed about giving money to rich people (bailouts), so Person B gets even more angry, which in turn increases the anger in person C. Pretty soon, everyone is feeding off each other's anger. Now these same people go into another thread where they disagree and all the built-up anger explodes. Boom! Flame war.

I think I had more hypotheses stuffed someplace in my brain, but these were the only three that came easily to mind. Honestly, I think this phenomenon needs to be addressed. Does the Internet have to be a place where our baser natures manifest? Maybe not. Maybe something can be done.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:48 PM
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1. you forgot to address knee jerk reactions and responding without reading past the Subject Line
um , I mean, nice post Hitler.


Someone should do a thesis paper about this zoo.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:52 PM
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4. A thesis on Internet behavior would greatly interest me.
Knee-jerk reactions would fall under the broader question of why we give in to our baser natures. Responding without reading the subject line could actually be one of the causes of Internet flame wars. Reading is harder than listening. Responding without thinking is easier than thinking. Maybe it's about what's easier?
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:58 PM
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9. one of the brains around here has got to have written a grad-level paper about DU behavior
I got my BS in behavioral sciences and would love to read that paper.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:59 PM
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13. I would, too. It's a topic that has always interested me.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:59 PM
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11. It's been done, probably a thousand times over
and the subject discussed since I've been on the net (1994)
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:04 PM
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19. anybody write one about DU?
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:13 PM
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34. Yes, actually
Check the Wikipedia article on DU; the dissertation should still be in the references list there.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:08 PM
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22. Got some links?
I can Google it myself, of course, but perhaps you'd like to share something you've read.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:50 PM
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2. Perhaps we don't often see others we are replying to as human deep down
Since the only thing we see about them are a collection of letters put together to form thoughts.

Some find it hard to sympathize with letters on a screen, whereas a face and voice tend to make us see those we interact with as more real.

Other than that, F*CK off you dimwitted jackass :rofl:
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:58 PM
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10. And a hearty "fuck you" to you as well. ;)
I've used programs like Stickam where you see and talk to others on the Internet. I've run into boobs there, too. It would be interesting to log the amount of anti-social behavior on such servers and compare them to forums containing only the written word. Of course, the topics of discourse would have to similar.

The whole thing is very complicated and would be very difficult to break down properly. For instance, how does one quantify anti-social behavior? Would it be possible to rate the severity of anti-social behavior? How would the topic of discussion quality instances of anti-social behavior?

I'm not a psychologist, but I have enough education to realize the study of Internet psychology would be a huge undertaking.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:01 PM
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17. Might be fun to use regex to examine those sites
Regex (used in vb.net/perl/etc) lets you pattern match words and such. Have used it to analyze things like the differences between words used by an author over time (like Conan Doyle's works) - interesting to see how many words are common to works and which works have words that the others do not.

You could scrape a web page, categorize words, then get some stats on them. Might be interesting to see what follows words like 'your' and 'you', etc.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:50 PM
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3. DU sorta disproves your theory
There aren't many 'flame wars' here.

Only occasionally do you see locked threads.

I don't get your point.

:shrug:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:53 PM
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5. You are just trying to start a flame war. Go ahead, mention breastfeeding and smoking
:)
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:55 PM
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7. I was smoking when I got circumcised
:D
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:01 PM
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16. While your girlfriend had a late term abortion with a gun?
While eating HFCS and taking an autism causing vaccine.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:30 PM
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36. Did you keep the receipt?
:D
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:53 PM
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6. I hope you're being sarcastic.
The moderators don't tend to lock many threads, but I see flame wars in a large percentage of them.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:57 PM
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8. Not at all
An argument or disagreement doesn't constitute a 'flame war.'

The moderators seem to do a good job of surgically removing truly shitty stuff from threads so the discussions can continue.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:02 PM
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18. I haven't been bookmarking the flame wars I've come across.
I usually just leave the thread in disgust.

Disagreement I can live with. Name calling and anti-social behavior? Not so much. And if you truly believe DU doesn't engender such behavior, I wonder what you've been reading and how you've interpreted what you've read. Perhaps you merely have an extraordinarily thick skin.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:05 PM
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20. Meh. 'anti-social behavior' is that code for 'dissent' now?
I don't see much name calling here either.

:shrug:
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:11 PM
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25. See #14. I see it all the time.
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 06:17 PM by Ladyhawk
See also #26. I have participated on forums for a long time. I know the difference between dissent and personal attacks.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:59 PM
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12. Only due to very good moderation and the fact that we
don't let Republicants in.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:03 PM
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33. Christ, I'd hate to see what you would define as "many flame wars" then (nt)
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:00 PM
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14. Or Maybe It's Because You're A Wuss
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 06:02 PM by mudesi
Honestly? You're appalled? It's making you physically ill? Seek medical attention.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:10 PM
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24. This is an excellent example of what I'm getting at.
"You're a wuss" is an example of name-calling, which in turn could cause a flame war.

It's also very possible this person is being sarcastic, but sometimes it is hard to tell such things without non-verbal communication.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:07 PM
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39. I real life - do you kick people in the face who are distraught?
Perfect example of the mindless inhuman response the O/P was describing.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:01 PM
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15. He is an ass who behaves better in non-anonymous situations
Such an ass is free to come in and piss all over people on a messageboard and walk away chuckling and congratulating himself on his oneupmanship. He would like to literally piss all over people but such behavior would not be tolerated.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:07 PM
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21. I'm curious...why do you think so?
At times I'm inclined to agree with you, then I go and do something not so nice. I'd like to believe that deep down I'm a nice person but that the general attitude of permissiveness of anti-social behavior got the better of me just that once (or twice...or three times a lady...hawk).

Sorry, I'm rambling.

I'm not immune to the general tenor of snarkiness found on many Internet forums. I just join right in.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:55 PM
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37. I tend to think so
because it's true in my case. I used to want to believe I'm a nice person deep down as well, but I'm not. I'm just a person who has good days and bad days.

This particular forum is not nearly as permissive as others I visit, where I can really let my hair down. But I also have one I like to go to where there are no trolls at all. I find those that are in between the most frustrating. (I don't know why that is.)

Snarking can be fun, and joining right in just means you're human. I wouldn't worry about it.




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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:11 PM
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40. "She"
:)
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:09 PM
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23. People are tactful in person. The internet gives people a forum to express thier opinions openly.
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 06:12 PM by Bushknew
People express their true feelings on the internet, it's as simply as that.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:15 PM
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26. I agree this can be a good thing.
However, some of the anti-social behavior can be left in the dustbin.

I used to post frequently on an atheist site and engage in debate with religious people. It got as hairy there as it does here. I'm frankly sick of it.

Still, I could finally say exactly what I think of religion. Religious people identify with "religion" to the point they see a criticism of an opinion as a personal criticism. We all do it. If we identify too strongly with a position, we can misinterpret disagreement as ad hominem attacks. Then the thread devolves into nastiness.

And your mother, too!
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:39 PM
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29. Ad hominem attacks & anti-social behavior should be left in the dustbin but
all too often is is not. Different people have different values, beliefs and priorities.

We all come here to vent our point of view.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:26 PM
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27. I tend to be a lot more mellow discussing politics/religion and so forth online than in person..
I've been doing this since the days of 300 baud acoustic modems and local BBSes, I'm not sure if I've ever really lost my temper over reading something someone has posted.

Part of it is that I'm considerably better "spoken" when writing than verbally, I tend to pause a lot when speaking, looking for just the right word or concept. Words flow from my fingertips better than from my tongue.

In person I come across as abrasive when I get really involved in a discussion that becomes argumentative, I think I'm less so online.

I see people talking about "hide thread" and "ignore lists" a lot, I've never used either in the entire time I've been online and doubt I ever will.

You are correct though, a lot of people are probably nastier online than off for a variety of reasons, some of which you have already mentioned.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:28 PM
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28. I think there have been studies that support # 1
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:43 PM
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30. there are variables.. like Freepers crossing over to throw rocks and break windows, like emotionally
disturbed who can seem like a mob of one.. then the Religious who want a forum closed to free speech, the Addicts in denial who really take offense at free speech containing the tragic truth...

then there are the haters... that i take immense pleasure poking with a stick repeatedly, :bounce:

i was threatened with "Irony" by some fool Troll yesterday...:scared:

i love this place for its wonderful huge population of dedicated progressive thinkers, who share information to help figure out what the hell is really happening in our world today... it's worth having to put up with nay say'rs, the Apriori Looped, the occasional Troll.. and things aren't so bad here either, compared to other places.

i am certain that individuals are appointed to disrupt progressive sites.. there cant be by coincidence the consistent number of OCD freepers .. everywhere, except on their own sites. in WA in the 80's there was a comedy program that had a running skit called the "High Five'n White Guys".. exactly what Freepers do when they meet and share Conquests, of slaying dragons here on DU

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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:05 PM
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31. Now that your fed up with it, you might find this interesting.

http://thecleaver.blogspot.com/

When the Control System needs to pull in the reins on its feverish denizens, when it wants to curb the opportunities for conscious discovery and just wants everyone to get back in line, it always does the same thing - it strikes fear into the hearts of men.

Fear is a hardwired neurological response designed to get an organism out of trouble. Psychologist Robert Plutchik posited that human emotions are designed to accommodate adaptive survival strategies for reproductive success. In other words, they keep you alive so you can procreate. There are eight primary emotions: fear, anger, sadness, disgust, surprise, anticipation, acceptance and joy. Each emotion has a distinct role to play in the continued existence of the whole organism. Combinations of these produce more advanced emotions like optimism (anticipation + joy), remorse (sadness + disgust) and love (joy + acceptance). The principle is the same as mixing primary colours to obtain subtler secondary and tertiary shades.

Whilst we must acknowledge that there are other, more profound and multi-dimensional energetic qualities to the emotions, for now we shall concentrate on their core organic function. For it is through understanding the mechanics of fear, and its potential uses, together with detaching from the unnecessary portals which promulgate its fake cognition, that the individual fear response can be defused and potentially deactivated altogether.

The biological mechanics of fear look like this:-

stimulus event (threat) --> cognition (danger) --> feeling state (fear) --> overt behaviour (escape) --> effect (safety)

In a primal context, this is pretty clear-cut. You are confronted by an angry lion. You see the lion, hear its roar, try to control your bowels, then you scamper up a nearby tree as fast as possible. Stimulus, cognition, feel, act… and finally get to safety.

In an intellectual context however, a powerful fear response can be derived from rather abstract constructs; threats that are not directly perceived, such as economic decline, a deadly virus, looming war, civil unrest, terrorist plots or radical social changes.

What the unreality veil does so successfully, is to bypass the stimulus event altogether and deliver the cognition straight to you, ready for the automatic gut reaction.

Consider the wording from just 20 headlines, 5 each from The BBC, The Guardian, CNN and Reuters in one single day (late March 2009). Expelled. Kills. Strikes. Attacks. Stress. Die. Fire. Accuses. Torture. Alert. Flood. Abuse. Dies. War. Embarrassed. Porn. Row. Target. Offensive. Death. Poorest. Protest. Looms. Killed. Demand. Swamped. Failure.

Note the inordinate amount of negative words embedded into the headlines. All this from just one day; and it is the same every day. The content and context of the articles is immaterial to the subconscious mind. It is the montage effect of the trigger words that counts - and their corresponding emotional prompts that induce a primal response.

Curiously, such fear memes are relatively absent from the tabloid press. It seems the Control System only deems it worthwhile to broadcast despair and fear to what it perceives as the ‘educated middle classes’. For the rest of the rabble, distraction is more the name of the game. The messaging is strikingly different in the tabloids: celebrities, sport, sex and gossip. It does occasionally seek to inflame the xenophobia and belligerence of the white Anglo-Saxon horde with headlines of immigration and paedophilia, but mostly, the front pages are all breasts and footballs.

Archetypes And Avatars

Why is the methodical dissemination of fear so vital? Fear keeps people stupid by instantly disconnecting the reception and transmission of higher frequencies in its deadening storm cloud of mental static. Without access to higher dimensional expressions like creativity, insight and spirituality, only the lower dimensional space of nuts and bolts remains. The machine, the animal. For this reason, as a psyops weapon, the ability to propagate deep fear is more valuable than any hardware or munitions.

In the 21st century, with an increasingly sophisticated populous, the conjuration of false cognition has to be multifaceted to elicit optimal shadow emotions. On the surface, the same old style avatars of the history books arise… Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, Bagosara, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Mugabe, Kim Jong, Tha Shwe, Bin Laden etc. But they are now augmented by a coordinated bombardment of asymmetrical warfare, fatal viruses, societal disintegration, flooding, super storms, volcanoes and dwindling natural resources. Overwhelming, by design.

Historically, these things happen. Examples of all of them can be discerned in the ancient chronicles, stretching back for millennia. Sometimes, these challenges to the habits and routines of humankind naturally combine and arrive together, as they are doing now. This is indicated in Hopi and Mayan prophecy, marked by current solar-stimulated climate change, as our planetary system passes through exceptional levels of cosmic rays as it moves toward the centre of the galaxy. A grand seasonal change, the 26000 year precession. Galactic alignment, an evolutionary gear shift. This is so far removed from the sanctioned syllabus of consensus reality, that for most, rather than feelings of engagement or exploration, a profound trepidation sets in. This stems from systemic media brainwashing, lack of information and the simple fact that most citizens have been encouraged to slide backwards into cosseted sedentary consumerism, with a critical dependence on a toxic system.

The truth is, if you have shoes, a bank balance and a laptop, you are most probably in the top 1% of the whole planet, in terms of privilege and opportunity. It is incumbent on such freedom, as modest as it may be, to help envision and create better alternatives to what is currently failing most of the people on the planet, and indeed, the very body of Gaia herself.

Intelligent, creative and compassionate people are already actively creating alternatives. Movements are arising to help consciously detach communities from the hopeless governments and mega corporations, neither of which could care less about the people. In the UK, organizations like Transition Towns and Parallel Community are growing steadily and offering a more resilient, sustainable, intelligent and human way of life to those with the will and courage to participate in these emerging enterprises. Check them out.

It is very difficult for fear to overtly influence such places; their frequency is too dynamic for it to take hold.

Amplified Illusions

Belief precedes perception. If you believe the balloon is red, it is red. If a roomful of people also agree on it being red, then the consensus reality for the perception of that balloon is that it is red. Of course, in actuality, ‘redness’ is merely a particular wavelength of electromagnetic radiation hitting cone cells in the retina. There is no red. Nothing to see here, please move along. But if you zoom in even further, even the particulate atomic structure of the balloon is a theoretical construct. It has no inherent mass, there is nothing solid there at all. It’s just electromagnetic energy fizzing around a projected field of probability. The rubber we feel with our fingers is a particular range of electrical signals transduced via sense receptors, nerve endings, in our fingers.

Everything is moving energy. The substantiality of a thing only has form in our mind. So understand that we are dealing in illusions here. Not things of substance. Delve deeper into quantum physics and this is confirmed again and again. So one’s encounter with fear only subsists within the spasms of the egoic survivalist mind.

To make one illusion more prominent than another, it has to be amplified. One effective way to achieve this, is to control the context within which it is going to manifest. For example, in the diagram (click for larger version), the two orange circles are identical shades of orange and sit upon identical shades of grey square. However, due to deliberately confusing context (the three dimensional checkerboard, clever use of shadow and the green cylinder), we perceive both the orange circles and their grey squares as different shades. Even though they are identical. The mind is all too easily deceived.

If a convincing context is created, a desired response can be drawn out, even though the stimulus that would naturally induce it is in fact nonexistent. So be vigilant of context when encountering abstract fears.

Fear not only keeps people disconnected, it also serves as a fuel source. This brings us back to the emotions.

Like everything else, emotions are vibrations. Specific configurations of moving energy. Each type of associated feeling (frequency) has a distinct composition, with its own unique energetic characteristics, which may be thought of as analogous to charge, gravitation and velocity. This goes equally for shadow emotions (negatively charged) like fear, hatred and despair, as it does for luminous emotions (positively charged) like joy, love and compassion. All of them energetic emanations, formations in the field, no less substantial or insubstantial than anything else that manifests. A voice, a rock, electricity, heat. Additionally, note that positive and negative charging does not signify good and bad. A negative ion is not bad. Negative polarity in a battery is not bad. It is just the reverse polarity of the positive.

Just as a solar panel converts photons (sunlight) into electricity, emotional charge can also be harvested and converted into power. To explore the possibility further, let us hold the idea, for as long or as short as we wish, that certain entities in the locality of Earth, in a 3rd, 4th or 5th dimensional space, have power requirements that necessitate the accumulation of negatively charged energy. Though elements of such a process may naturally occur (animals often transfer energy symbiotically between species), the magnitude of the human yield has been greatly expanded through the suppression of conscious evolution and the constant synthetic stimulation of fear. This indicates intentionality does it not. The common man has been cut off from the solar source, unable to receive the galactic signal, ignorant of the integral experience of multi-dimensionality. As we know, all things are interconnected, at a metaphysical, quantum and spiritual level, everything is one flowing system. Fear then, is like an oil slick from a ruptured tanker, spilling thick black sludge into the pristine ocean. It spreads.

From a shamanic perspective, we observe that the old narratives of light and shadow are fundamentally seeking integration and completion in their conflict. The micro amplified out to the macro. The disowned shadow asserts itself as the external other – demanding either insight or blood. Yet both are but reflections of a single body. There is nothing truly outside of us.

By One’s Own Fair Hand

Have you ever heard anyone justify their TV news or newspaper consumption by saying, “I like to know what’s going on in the world.”

This is a sign of deep unconsciousness.

It is not news. Not by a long chalk. Even the most fresh-faced neophyte on the inner journey will be aware that the news fails miserably to provide a balanced view of what is occurring here on planet Earth. It most certainly does not represent the felt experience of human beings. It is what someone else considers to be the ten most important headlines of the day. As such, whether broadcast from BBC, Sky, CNN or Fox, the news is comment and propaganda. And those who choose what makes the headlines, are most definitely not interested in informing, educating and enriching the minds of their audience. Quite the reverse. They aim to distract, shock and depress. Above all, to generate… you guessed it… fear.

Switch off the TV and cancel the newspaper. The glossy messaging on the screens and pages is filtered, edited, airbrushed, packaged, owned and distributed by a tiny number of unhealthy, unelected and highly inequitable entities.

Whilst there exists a few brave and maverick journalists who manage to squeeze their insights through the corporate cracks, this is becoming increasingly unusual. So, the information must be gathered by one’s own fair hand. Thankfully, this does not demand frenzied international travel as a multidisciplinary light-speed journalist. That won’t be necessary. Something a lot more convenient is at hand. It can be justly stated that the Internet has spawned definite channels of communication and knowledge for those seeking a clearer idea of what is occurring around us. Compared to the raging torrents of mainstream media, such channels are but tiny streams, trickling imperceptibly down the mountainside. But they flow. They exist. And they continue to grow.

If you really want to know occurring in people's lives, communities and countries - you have to compile the news for yourself.

An excellent way of quickly scanning multiple sources of information, from different perspectives around the globe, is to setup a screen of web feeds (RSS) in iGoogle, or Netvibes or My Yahoo etc. On a single screen, the feeds can represent news from local, national, international, mainstream, government, military, financial, independent, human rights groups, social justice groups, anarchist groups, charities, academia, survivalists and environmentalists. Whatever you wish. Naturally, you may not agree with many of the viewpoints. You may even feel a moral aversion to some. Nevertheless, this is a superb method for gathering intelligence and assessing news of world events. The ability to balance, compare and analyze - right there in front of you. Setting up the whole thing should take no more than 30 minutes. Once this is done, the information at your fingertips will be much more representative of actual occurrences in the world and can be more justifiably considered news. One minute of reading over the headlines (which automatically update themselves) and you know 100X more than most people.

Anyone who cannot be bothered to do this, and would prefer to simply watch the BBC or CNN as their primary news source, is evidently not interested in what’s going on in the world. They seek only to indulgently sedate themselves.

Understand the fear mechanism. Understand its uses. Disassociate mainstream broadcasts from news. Fear loses its grip.

The higher frequencies of being become available again. They were there all along, we just couldn’t reach them. With false cognition out of the way, they flow into us and we flow into them. We integrate the primal. Our dreams, imagination, consciousness and love begin to shape reality.

As it should be.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:12 PM
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32. The rudeness (and worse) bothers me, too. Concerning your points,
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 07:15 PM by pnwmom
I think you overlooked one for #1. A person here who consistently behaves badly, may be just as poorly behaved in person.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:17 PM
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35. Exposure to more people outside usual social groups
On the internets, we rub up against people we wouldn't in meatspace. Here there may be the assumption that everyone holds the exact same views and there may be disappointment to find that is not so.

Writing is an art; not everyone can do it well. The same can be said of careful reading.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:04 PM
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38. It would not be surprising that studies have been done along these lines.
It certainly has been happening for a long time, and the bad behavior is especially prevalent in politics since it's easy to ignorantly assign people to groups--and it's easy to be manipulated by politicians.

One way I seemed to have gotten past a lot of it was by reminding myself constantly that each person posting, whether it's here or on another online forum or blog, is an individual. The us versus them mentality is rampant online. Many of our media know this and profit from it (Rush Limbaugh being a prime example), which only makes the situation worse. :shrug:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:28 PM
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41. In the 70s. Phillip Zimbardo did several studies on deindividuation.

IIRC, anonymoty and unaccountability brings outs the worst in most people.

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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 12:21 AM
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43. The Lucifer Effect. Awesome, but really depressing, book.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 12:17 AM
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42. I love it. In real life, people don't really argue because politeness gets in the way.
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 12:19 AM by Evoman
I am extremely good at picking up emotional and social cues (I did a psych test, I'm actually exceptional :P) and it really frustrates me when I can detect that people want to say something or argue something but they can't because they are afraid of being picked on or accused of being rude.

I have a low tolerance for bullshit and I hate when people tell me what they think I want to hear instead of what they actually think. On the internet, you see true colours. And sometimes it's infuriating, and sometimes it's plain stupid and useless (like all those idiot kids whose only response to something is "you are a fag").

But I'll take rude real over fake polite any day.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 12:25 AM
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44. I'm actually nicer here than in the real world.
Go figure....

:shrug:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 12:25 AM
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45. You are boring. Yesterday you were appalled at all the people who
kvetch about what they want to say or feel, now you let us know why we're so unworthy? Go away.
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