Can you even imagine the embarrassment factor that California will now feel?

[DuaneBidoux]

In the darkest days after prop 8 I still felt we were gaining the big mo.

Now I am sure. Let's pile onto California!!!! Now they can't resist, while they are turning red faced from the example of their fellow Mid Western State Iowa.

They're such a sweet little cousin Iowa...and I want to be just like her.

[Tim01]

1. Embarrasment? They are the ones who did the voting.

They got what they wanted.

[DuaneBidoux]

2. that's true, they got what they wanted then...let's see what they want now.

[Bicoastal]

7. Screw that--plenty of us voted no.

No way in hell I wanted this outcome.

[DuaneBidoux]

16. Yeah, that's a little like saying that we got what we wanted when the U.S. elected Bush.

Not a minor point.

[Jeep789]

20. Actually, the polls showed more support for no on 8 until

the ridiculous, false and misleading ads came out. I think many Californians feel duped (so many easily are).

[Liberal_in_LA]

42. ad where Mayor Newsom is shown rasping "It's gonna happen whether they like it not" turned a lot

of people off. I'm sure his opponents will run it when Newsom runs for Governor. Here is the ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKn5LNhNto

[Jeep789]

43. I sure don't need to see that again

It played toward the end and who knows what roll it actually played but we do know it didn't help. One of their favorite tactics is to play San Francisco off as loony.

[EFerrari]

22. No, genius. We got what the Catholic Church wanted bought with Mormon money.

[ddeclue]

3. Don't worry Florida is keeping you out of the basement...

1) We had Amendment 2.
2) We've had like a gazillion gun nuts all go postal in the last few weeks.
3) We have Republican legislators wanting to drug test the unemployed.
4) We're buying not one but two different billionaires their own stadiums to the tune of billions when we're broke.

:crazy:

[JI7]

4. would same sex marriage have won if it was up to Voters in Iowa ?

california does deserve shame for prop 8, but before that it was judges like in Iowa who gave support to same sex marraige.

[Skip Intro]

8. A bummer of a good point. nt

[DuaneBidoux]

9. For getting what we want that simply issue.

Study civil rights....even in the late 70s most white people couldn't imagine having a black boss. Thirty years later we have a black president. This IS revolution by anyone's political standards.

When the legal part is beat (and, like civil rights in the mid 60s) I think it now is on the edge of being beat the social systems will follow. It is inevitable. In Massachusetts, Connecticut and the other states the sky has not fallen.

Look at 6000 years of history. The bigots, in the end, have never won. I think this is a turning point for the next 1000 years.

[JI7]

12. well, i do believe it will be the Courts that lead the way, not people

as you say it was with civil rights.

and there is nothing wrong with that as it shows that a majority should not be able to vote to take away or keep rights from a minority .

it will end up with the supreme court at some point and the decision will be as big as Roe v Wade. hopefully with the outcome in support of same sex marraige.

[DuaneBidoux]

14. You're absolutely right. And to lead the way for your referenced day this is the time to pay close

attention to who we get for the upcoming Supreme Court nominees when that day comes. I expect a similar total cycle (30-50 years) to full equality starting with the first state court rulings in support of equal marriage rights.

[Cant trust em]

5. Half of the state is really disappointed. Slightly less than half I guess.

I am embarrassed.

I would love it if the equality movement piled into California. Maybe we can match some of the out-of-state funds that Utah poured in.

[Skip Intro]

6. Frickin IOWA! Right in the middle of the country.No "liberal northeast" there.

:toast:

[msongs]

10. evidently the mormon church is not that influential in Iowa nt

[BlooInBloo]

11. I almost hope that EVERY state in the union validates gay marriages BUT California...

Let anti-gay bigots wallow in their shitacularity.

After the rest of the country is done laughing at them, then, and only then let them permit it.

It's no longer a race to see who'll be the first to validate gay marriage. It's a race to see who will be the LAST.

[DuaneBidoux]

13. I feel strong but not quite as much as you.

We need California. They have led for 50 years and I can't help but believe they are needed here. The best and the brightest of media (yes, the other half too) live there.

Long before Arkansas will ever feel embarrassed California will be a grave yard.

California must never, as a matter of principle, let themselves follow anywhere after most of America has already gone there.

[EFerrari]

19. That's really ugly. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

26. Not as ugly as what California did.

[DuaneBidoux]

31. I guess I don't see the world that way.

Although I once did.

I see it as not helping enough people to break out of the way they were thinking to evolve to a next level. To begin to embrace rights beyond the boundaries of what you now know.

All beliefs are a product of a "now time, now place, now understanding."

Names and weapons are for one level. Ideas are for another.

[BlooInBloo]

33. (shrug) Different strokes for different folks. I feel the same way about the Kentucky basketball...

program. :)

[EFerrari]

36. I don't think that's fair, my friend. Just about half of us didn't do that.

And I don't think anyone was prepared for the onslaught of propaganda, for the laser-like pinpointing that the other side did in targeting their potential supporters. The No leaders made really bad mistakes, true. A lot of us ceded too much to them and didn't take the initiative on our own, that's true, too.

But CA was thoroughly manipulated while everyone was mostly minding the presidential race. And it wasn't just any presidential race, it was the one after 8 years of Bush.

Whatever. I hope we've learned our lesson. We took too much for granted because CA is better than this and we just didn't make it work.

[BlooInBloo]

40. Heh. "fair".

[ourbluenation]

27. and our gay brothers and sisters in california? n/t

[BlooInBloo]

34. Yah - that's what the "almost" was for.

[Iggo]

38. Delete.

Not worth it.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Cali ain't midwestern.

Still, if two years ago I were told, "California and Iowa. One of these states will legalize gay marriage, and one of these will ban it," my response would not have been "Iowa's definitely the progressive one here."

[DuaneBidoux]

17. well, that was kinda' my point.

They only acted that way.

[Starry Messenger]

18. I voted no.

I feel embarrassed, but not for my vote. Besides, the enemies of marriage equality out here did something sneaky. They didn't outlaw same-sex marriage. They used the state Proposition system to amend the state constitution to define "marriage" as between a man and a woman. I know it sounds like the same thing, but legally it's turning out kind of complicated.

We're all keeping our fingers crossed for the outcome with the California Supreme Court. Ken Starr is leading the charge. The assholes who did this really lawyered up.

[EFerrari]

21. It was such a set up. If you voted "yes", you were against gay marraige

and if you voted "no", you were for it, for example.

The bigots really had it going on, soup to nuts.

[Starry Messenger]

23. They sure did!

I hope someone writes a book about the whole thing one day. This entire episode has been surreal. x(

[EFerrari]

29. It really WAS surreal. I didn't do very much last year because of health stuff

but I was checking on H8 regularly. It went from being something we could handle to an information vacuum to that horrible election night. And then everyone turning on each other for days until we figured out the Catholic - Mormon Church collaboration. We could write a book about lessons learned alone. :grr:

[DuaneBidoux]

35. Just turn that blazing face into hell.

And fix it in '10

[DuaneBidoux]

24. Stalin said it is he who counts the ballots that count. Maybe he should have added "he who writes..

the ballots".

[EFerrari]

25. We were so had. The Archbishop here in San Francisco

is an evil genius, as far as I can tell. He even faked out the leaders of the "No" campaign into believing he wouldn't fight very hard. He was handing out awards and stuff to gay philanthropists, his press releases were deceptively mild. And the whole time, he had this hardcore campaign gearing up with a ton of money from Salt Lake and an invasion of Mormon volunteers.

They hit older voters and swung the Catholics in the last three weeks. Up until then, we seemed to be in the clear. The "No" leadership was too complacent and their supporters were, too. We didn't want to step on toes. Well, we were stupid.

We did better by 10 points than the last time one of these measures was put on the ballot but, imho, it wouldn't have passed if we had our sh!t really together. :mad:

[DuaneBidoux]

28. sounds like you really know

[EFerrari]

30. I was so blown away, I got into the weeds for days trying to figure it out n/t.

[DuaneBidoux]

32. As long as you had a prescription?

[EFerrari]

37. LOL. No weed, no prescription, just a calculator and scribbling numbers

all over everything but the dog. I didn't get the Obama afterglow like most of you guys did.

Whatever. It's in the court's hands but there is already another prop being written up. Iowa stole the march but we'll be back. :)

[DuaneBidoux]

39. I know you will. I love California.

[EFerrari]

41. "Sittin' in a park in Paris, France / reading the news and it's all bad

they won't give peace a chance,
that's was just a dream some of us had
Still a lotta lands to see, but
But I wouldnt want to stay here
Its too old and cold and settled in its ways here
Oh, but california
California I'm coming home
I'm going to see the folks I dig
Ill even kiss a sunset pig
California I'm coming home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q4foLKDlcE

:hi:

[ColbertWatcher]

44. California has felt shame and embarrassment ever since Nixon.

Reagan didn't help and neither does the GOP money guys in Hollywood or all the cults.

However, I don't think Californians are embarrassed that Iowa passed a law first, but that the GOP was able to manipulate the process.

I think liberal Californians are happy for Iowans.

[Berry Cool]

45. I think there's going to be a constitutional amendment

and it's going to be ratified by enough states that we won't have to deal with this garbage anymore. It'll be settled, and everyone will have the same rights.

There's only ever been one US amendment that took citizens' rights away instead of expanding or confirming them...and that one was repealed.