Gun Violence Thread; April 8, 2009.

[Barack_America]

The shootings and killings are happening with such frequency lately, that I figured it might help to compile them in one place.

Let me know what you think.

Here are the stories (so far) from today:

Four shot at Calif. religious retreat
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/04/4-shot-at-calif-religious-retreat.html

Louisville officer injured in shooting
http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/754618.html

Palm Springs officer injured during shooting
http://www.wflxfox29.com/Global/story.asp?S=10149785&nav=2JWi

Cops: NC man kills woman, deputy, dies in shootout
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jenrHhhbR5FeASA5yP2-xpAGmRnwD97EADMO0

Knock At Door Ends In Fatal Gunfire
http://www.ksat.com/news/19125652/detail.html#-

Western Pa. man charged with slaying mom, daughter
http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/state/pennsylvania/20090408_ap_westernpamanchargedwithslayingmomdaughter.html
(this one happened yesterday, though the story is from today)

Please feel free to add stories that you've come across.

Folks, no matter what side of the "issue" you're on, we have a problem here.

[willing dwarf]

1. It's gruesome but a good idea

There have been so many I find I get them confused, and when you want to address the problem of gun violence, having the facts handy is helpful. I suppose you'll update it in the days/weeks to come? I hope you won't need to, but in light of the stress of this economy, I think the writing is on the wall.

As I write this though, I can't help but feeling that the horses have already left the barn, this country is awash in guns. I fear we may be swimming in a sea of blood soon.

[Barack_America]

2. Yes. I will start one everyday. Unless someone else does.

I'm not particularly informed on this topic, just concerned.

I too am starting to get them confused, overlooking events, etc. because they are happening so frequently. I figure that we can't address this problem if we don't "see" it.

What is particularly concerning to me is the dramatic upswing in police shootings. Domestic violence killings have, tragically, always been quite common, but the increase in both police shootings and mass killings are both undeniable.

I don't know what the answer is, but we've got to find one.

[Barack_America]

3. Assault Rifle Shootout in Beaumont Under Investigation

Assault Rifle Shootout in Beaumont Under Investigation
http://www.kbmt12.com/news/local/42670962.html

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Thank you

Good idea.

[bridgit]

5. BBC News - America: Four Oakland policemen shot dead

'Four police officers have been killed in shootings in Oakland, California.

A 26-year-old man on parole allegedly opened fire on the police after he was pulled over on Saturday afternoon.

The suspect escaped after shooting two officers but was killed himself hours later in a gunfight with police in which two more died.

One of the officers was pronounced brain dead on Sunday and was on life support while a decision was made regarding organ donation.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7958325.stm

[Barack_America]

6. Man sitting in kitchen in Derry hit by bullet

Man sitting in kitchen in Derry hit by bullet
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090408/NEWS0201/904089969/-1/CITIZEN

[Barack_America]

7. NY gunman fired 98 shots in about a minute, police chief says

NY gunman fired 98 shots in about a minute, police chief says
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/08/ny.shooting/

[L0oniX]

8. Good luck with your agenda ...bias ...whatever.

Maybe if you took away the guns from our troops, they would stop killing themselves.

Here's some links for ya:

Pawn shop manager shoots would-be robber
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=6745869

Shotgun-toting robbery suspect shot and killed by business owner
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Shotgun-toting-robbery-suspect-shot-and-killed-by/3VbZvZI0VES46MF9V8Nxjg.cspx

Suspect Shot During Gas Station Robbery
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/04/02/story_gas_station.html?sid=102

Man jailed with a gunshot wound after harassing ex-wife
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=10107735

Pizza shop owner describes robbery, shooting
http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/42296357.html

Orange Blossom Trail pharmacist kills armed robber
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-loc-pharmacy-robber-killed-040109,0,550904.story

Here's a list of self defense occurances:
http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html

You and your anti-gun nut pals are bias and about as balanced and fair as Fox news!

[Barack_America]

10. Do you deny that there is a problem?

If not, then what is wrong with discussing it?

If you do deny there is a problem, then what is your explanation for the recent increase in mass and police shootings?

[L0oniX]

12. The links I posted are all from April 2009. Feel free to check the legal examples of self defense.

"Some" of the problem is that all states do not have the same laws concerning gun ownership. All guns should be registered. All owners or potential purchasers should pass a background check, gun safety and self defense class. No person with a record of mental or emotional problems should have a gun. No person with a record of domestic violence should have a gun. No person with a dishonorable military discharge should have a gun. Certainly no felon should have a gun. Automatic weapons should be banned. I'd say that if those were the law in all states we could greatly reduce the accidents and "crazy" shootings.

[Barack_America]

14. Feel free to post a daily counter thread.

Describing these incidents of "self-defense". I was searching google with the keyword "shooting" and it did not bring up any such events for today.

Also, there's no need to resort to name calling.

[GoneOffShore]

18. Quoted from a blog comment.

"The second amendment doesn't kill people. It just allows some people to kill other people more easily than if they had to use their teeth like I do."

http://almostdiamonds.blogspot.com/2009/04/tin-revolutionaries.html

[ensho]

9. men can hold the guns, women can hold the bullets

save a lot of lives that way, because men are killing us every day. even as I write this.

fair is fair.

[L0oniX]

11. Man jailed with a gunshot wound after harassing ex-wife. Some choose to fight back and suceed.

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=10107735

Google: gun defense

[jmg257]

13. 12 yr old goes shooting at range with Dad. They had a good time.

And not one bad thing happened.


This one happens very often.

[Barack_America]

15. And?

I don't recall suggesting that was a problem and shouldn't happen.

[jmg257]

17. That's it, no more to the story.

[Tim01]

16. I think the problem is caused by the economy, and worsened by the media.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. I blame video games.

Fallout 3 came out last year. Now there are a bunch of shootings.

Cause. Effect.

God damn first amendment.

[Barack_America]

20. One Confirmed Dead In Fresno Triple Shooting

One Confirmed Dead In Fresno Triple Shooting
http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=10150802

[Barack_America]

21. Also in Fresno, "Man shot by deputies in Friant in critical condition"

Man shot by deputies in Friant in critical condition
http://www.fresnobee.com/updates/story/1318782.html