Wong fired 98 shots in under a minute: 87 from a 9mm semi-auto pistol, 11 from 45 semi-auto pistol.

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Source: CNN TV

[YOY]

1. Must have reloaded really fast.

He was prepared to do this.

[cliffordu]

2. I'm sure glad he couldn't get his hands on an assault weapon....

:sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. So...

9 mm wins?

[ddeclue]

4. He probably had more 9mm clips pre loaded and only one clip for his 45.

:shrug:

[ddeclue]

5. or maybe the 45 jammed?

[Soylent Brice]

6. is that possible?

excuse my ignorance of such things.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. No, it's impossible.

He was apparently some sort of wizard.

[ddeclue]

10. What is that? 6 or 7 clips for the 9mm and 1 to 2 for the 45?

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Depends on the clip size.

You could do it with three extended clips.

And they reload fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJXNPo5krvw&feature=PlayList&p=2630CD6FFFCAE011&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=53

[ddeclue]

14. DAMN!

That's just scary fast..

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[aikoaiko]

17. Friendly PSA

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. In that case, I retract my entire argument.

Obviously there is no way he could have done this on his own. There was a second shooter.

[Statistical]

21. "The more you know" n/t

[ddeclue]

23. Yeah yeah whatever...

they both serve the same basic purpose, to quickly reload a firearm.

:P

[aikoaiko]

24. I'm just sayin......

;)

[ddeclue]

25. And my two door convertible isn't my four door sedan...

:P

[ddeclue]

8. It seems pretty fast to me too.

I could see this with an assault rifle and 3 or 4 30 round clips. I would think that more time in reloading would be required with a pistol clip, most of which are between 7 and 17 rounds depending on the model.

[aikoaiko]

13. As you say it is simply a matter of changing magazines which takes a slow person 3 seconds to do.

And of course fewer mag changes would be necessary depending on the size of magazines.


In the end, it doesn't matter to the victims whether he used 9 10-round mags, 6 15-round mags, 5 17-round mags, 3 32-round mags, or even 1 100-round drum.

[ddeclue]

16. Well no but the smaller the mag the longer the reload time and the less shooting that could happen.

[Soylent Brice]

27. weird.

it just doesn't seem believable.

[Xithras]

29. How do you figure?

When the magazine empties, the slide is locked back. The shooter pushes one button with one finger and the magazine drops out of the bottom. A new magazine is slapped in, a second release unlocks the slide, chambering the first round, and the gun is ready to fire again.

Most skilled shooters, when pushed, can replace a magazine in under 1.5 seconds. I can do it in under two. A novice can do it in three with five minutes of instruction.

[ddeclue]

30. I think you spend too much time at the gun range to know what AVERAGE people can do.

You talking about what average shooting is would be like me talking about what "average" computer skills or mathematics or science skills are.

Doug D.

[Xithras]

38. I haven't set foot on a range in years

I probably fire my guns maybe two or three times a year, no more than that.

The only impediment to firing a gun rapidly is intimidation...most new shooters are unfamiliar with the gun and are a little intimidated by it. Once you get over that, spraying bullets wildly is no more difficult than flicking your finger really fast. It's so easy a child can do it...as the numerous child gun deaths in our nation prove every year.

[ddeclue]

39. Yeah and that takes practice..

I could tell you that landing a plane is easy too - and for ME it is..

Doesn't make that statement true for truly average people though.

Doug D.

[Xithras]

26. Impossible? It's not even that hard really

A Glock in the hands of someone with some practice can easily fire 3 rounds a second. That's 33 seconds of firing to expend 98 rounds.

Then you have reloading. I'm going to aim low and assume 13 round magazines since they're fairly common. Larger 15 or 17 round magazines would reduce these numbers further. 98 shots out of a 13 round magazine pencils out to eight magazines. Assuming three seconds for each magazine change (which is really kinda slow IMHO), that's 24 seconds dedicated to swapping magazines. Of course, we can probably assume that he walked in the door with it loaded, so the real number is probably about 21 seconds.

33 seconds of shooting and 21 seconds of reloading = 98 rounds in 54 seconds.

[ddeclue]

28. It would still be pretty fast for most average people who don't spend all day at the gun range.

[Xithras]

31. That really, really depends on the handgun used.

Glocks, for example, are pretty easy to fire at a high rate, expecially in a caliber like 9mm which doesn't kick much. A smooth trigger action and low kick make it easy to fire quickly. The Glock is capable of firing as fast as you can pull the trigger (IIRC, I saw a doc once claiming that they are designed to be jam-free up to 18 rounds a second, much faster than a human finger would ever hope to pull the the trigger).

When you don't care about aim and are simply trying to expend ammo as quickly as possible, three rounds a second isn't really that hard to pull off...if you have the right handgun. Even for a relative novice.

[ddeclue]

32. And a glock is a pretty expensive handgun..

I want to know what kind of guns the guy actually had.

[aikoaiko]

9. Just to undersand this situation better and how certain laws (or would be laws) may have applied...

have they reported models of these pistols?


Not that it matters to the victims (RIP), but in terms of what laws may have already applied or their relation to recently proposed laws, it would useful to know.

[ddeclue]

11. I don't think the problem is the type of gun.. the problem is the type of NUT.

[aikoaiko]

15. I agree, but there are those calling for reauthorized laws or new laws.

and I'd like to be armed with facts for those conversations.

But I agree, the blame resides with the shooter and his motivations.

[No More Bushbots]

18. If he fired 98 rounds in under a minute

He wouldn't have needed 98 rounds to kill 13 people.
Physically impossible to start with and if he was skilled enough to dump clips and insert new ones at that rate, his aim would have been better.
This is a bullsh*t story to advance a minority opinion.
But thanks for playing.

[ddeclue]

22. A great deal of supposition on your part - I'll take the cops word for it off of CNN.

You really don't know how good a shooter this guy was you are just spouting off your opinion about it.

We've no idea how many shots missed because no one has said that. Hand guns are harder to use accurately than rifles.

[slackmaster]

20. And killed only 14 people

Most of those shots were misses.

[ddeclue]

33. Could also be that there weren't more people trapped in the building to kill.

It wasn't that big a place was it?

[slackmaster]

34. I think he chose his targets deliberately

People who he felt had wronged him in some way.

[varkam]

35. Or could be that he shot everyone multiple times. eom

[jmg257]

36. And the cops entered the building 39 minutes later? Wow...

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37. There's fast...

then there's scary fast...

Mag reload...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJVoc5uJ2e4

8 shots from a revolver in 1 second/6 shots - reload - 6 shots in 2.99 seconds...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLx5ISBXw4

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[Bigjoe7734]

40. It's pretty easy to fire that fast

When I took the Concealed Carry course in Ohio we did a draw and fire drill. Most of the guys in the class were able to fire a 10+ round magazine, reload and fire the next magazine in 6 to 8 seconds. That was with about 20 to 30 minutes of instruction. Everyone was able to put all the rounds into the target at 25 feet that way. It doesn't surprise me at all to find out that this guy blew off that many round that fast.