Giuliani has Sampson's CRS disease, too. Can't remember Grand Jury testimony about Kerik:

[Gabi Hayes]

Brian Lamb, of all people, read a story about this today on WAsh Journal. here's one that sums it up


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/30/giuliani_testimony_indicates_briefings_on_kerik/

Giuliani testimony indicates briefings on Kerik
He may have been told of ties to firm
By William K. Rashbaum, New York Times News Service | March 30, 2007

NEW YORK -- Rudolph W. Giuliani told a grand jury that his former chief investigator remembered having briefed him on some aspects of Bernard B. Kerik's relationship with a company suspected of ties to organized crime before Kerik's appointment as police commissioner, according to court records.

Giuliani's testimony amounts to a significantly new version of what information was probably before him in the summer of 2000 as he was debating Kerik's appointment as New York City's top law enforcement officer. Giuliani had previously said he had never been told of Kerik's entanglement with the company before promoting him to the police job or later supporting his failed bid to be the nation's homeland security secretary.

In his testimony, given in April 2006, Giuliani indicated he must have forgotten that he had been briefed on one or more occasions as part of the background investigation of Kerik before his appointment to the police post.

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the story quotes RG underlings as saying that it was a MISTAKE to have hired Kerik! so, he either is lying about being briefed about Kerik's connections to crooks, OR he has horrible judgment. Of course, the answer is BOTH.

AND, knowing all this, he recommended him to be the first chief of Homeland Security, and the Bush junta pushed said recommendation through, without properly vetting it, based on St. Rudy's obviously unimpeachable support.

What does this say about Giuliani's leadership skills, not to mention his honesty?

Has this been mentioned on TV today? anybody else heard about it? haven't seen it on GD...at least the first page.



don't forget...Kerki is either under, or about to be, federal indictment, and faces jail time

[Gabi Hayes]

1. chirp chirp....Giuliani leads all dem candidates in just about all situations,

and a story like this, which goes to the core of 'leadership' mantra surrounding his campaign, is ignored

interesting

[underpants]

2. Rudy has to come and play before this sand gets thrown in his face

in the leaked memo his campaign already knows that Kerik is going to be the big issue they are going to have to address or at least one of them.

Rudy so far (aside from one CPAC speech) is staying under the radar. E.J.Dionne has a great article about how Fred Thompson is sucking all of the air out of Rudy's balloon and Fred hasn't actually announced yet.

[Gabi Hayes]

4. Interesting...as I type this, CNN is running a crawl saying "Giuliani loses ground"

his numbers have dropped 5 points in the latest polls, as if they mean much at this point.

they're talking about Edwards' money raising, but haven't mentioned Giuliani yet

I'll BET they don't mention the discrepancy in his GJ testimony.

Nope...they're done, and they didn't

[Gabi Hayes]

3. in other words, he was told MORE THAN ONCE about Kerik's ties to,

gee, organized crime?

and what of the forced resignation of former Commissioner William Bratton. lots of stories about that, but 'some say...actually many say' that Bratton was the real motive force behind the reduction in crime that allegedly occurred because of policies initiated during Giuliani's reign

that said, Bratton was surely a better choice to have remained in his job. Bratton seems to have a record as a very ambitious ladder climber, with loyalty only to himself, but this could be a treasure trove of information about how Giuliani really functioned as mayor.

[Gabi Hayes]

5. AP also has CRS regarding Rudy. what a POS article they ran,

bringing up some negatives about him, yet defending him with a load of BULLSHIT:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/30/giuliani.911.ap/index.html

contrast what's in the story with a few points I noticed:

they IGNORE Giuliani's insistence at the time that the air around Ground Zero was not unhealthy, which everybody knows to be a huge lie

the Firefighters in South Carolina are a FRONT established by some guy who's a CAMPAIGN WORKER for Giuliani! nice reporting, AP.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/mar/09...


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worst of all, in their rush to praise Giuliani, and how he was lionized by 911 commissioners, they ignore this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_Commission#Claims_of_g...

Commissioners Thomas Kean, a Republican, and Lee Hamilton, a Democrat, disclosed in their 2006 book Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission (ISBN 0-307-26377-0) that the Commission did not pursue a tough enough line of questioning with former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani because its members feared public anger if they challenged him.

"It proved difficult, if not impossible, to raise hard questions about 9/11 in New York without it being perceived as criticism of the individual police and firefighters or of Mayor Giuliani. We did not ask tough questions, nor did we get all of the information we needed to put on the public record," they wrote. As the New York Times reported, "The commission’s gentle questioning of Mr. Giuliani during his May 19, 2004, testimony at the New School University in Greenwich Village was "a low point" in its handling of witnesses at its public hearings, they wrote."<21>

The authors assert that the commission had failed to ask Giuliani more probing questions partly because of criticism of a comment by fellow commissioner John F. Lehman. At the hearing on 18 May, the day before Giuliani's testimony, Lehman stated that New York’s disaster-response plans were "not worthy of the Boy Scouts, let alone this great city." The following morning, the cover of The New York Post displayed a photograph of a firefighter kneeling at the World Trade Center site, captioned with the single word "Insult" above.

this is what we have to expect from the media, WRT Giuliani. even as they report some negative information about him, they DEFEND him with inaccurate, misleading, and incomplete information.

[Gabi Hayes]

6. don't forget what Kristen Breitweiser has to say about him:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x286410

[Disturbed]

7. Rudy G., the great organized crime fighter.

Yeah, right. :eyes:

[Annces]

8. How come you never see women bear hugging like this

Men who love men who love men. Hmmm.

[Gabi Hayes]

11. not that there's anything wrong with that...btw baby seal clubbing has started.

lots and lots of them are 12 days old

[Annces]

13. Ya I know

I hope that is banned in our lifetimes.

[spanone]

9. Guiliani is way too creepy for America to buy into, I hope. I pray.

[Gabi Hayes]

10. they LOVE him in the hinterlands, because he was MADE a HERO by the media

after 911, and, unlike Bush, nothing has been reported about him, yet, to tarnish his undeserved reputation

[Gabi Hayes]

12. har...I have CRS, too! Rudy also FORGOT his father went to SingSing

when asked by FBI agents if any family members had been convicted of felonies, during routine questioning regarding his appointment as US Attorney.

he didn't mention that, and apparently claims he didn't know his dad was a convicted felon.

isn't that amusing? isn't that a felony that got Scooter convicted?

[Gabi Hayes]

14. another bunch of lousy reporting in the AP story: who is Lee Ielpi?

''Giuliani countered the attacks by releasing an open letter of support from retired firefighter Lee Ielpi, whose firefighter son was among the 2,749 victims on September 11. "Firefighters have no greater friend and supporter than Rudy Giuliani," Ielpi said.''

SOME SAY....har, love that....some say he WORKS for Giuliani, too

read this great link (does TPM do everything these days?):

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/mrs_panstreppon/2007/mar/11/is_lee_ielpi_a_member_of_firefitghers_for_rudy_or_not

Lee Ielpi is Vice-President of the September 11th Widows and Victims' Families Association (911WVFA) which now prefers to be known as the September 11th Families Association. The 911WVFA's 990s are available online at the Foundation Center's 990 Finder.

Laurence Levy is a 911WVFA board member. Levy is a Giuliani Partners director and was Mayor Giuliani's deputy counsel. He administered the $167 million Twin Towers Fund from the offices of Giuliani Partners.

In December 2006, Ielpi told Maggie Haberman at the New York Post that he discussed supporting Giuliani's candidacy with Levy.

Lee Ielpi was quoted in the New York Post story:

"I approached him. I said I'd like to offer my support to the mayor," said Ielpi.

"I've been following the mayor from before 9/11. I admire what he accomplished in the city, I admire the way he took on crime . . . and then 9/11 just brought that out to the world to see how strong a man he is, and I'm more than confident that he is capable to run this country."

Lee Ielpi sits on the board of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation (LMDC) which is controlled by the Empire State Development Corporation (ESDC). Until recently, the ESDC was headed by Bush pioneer, Charles A. Gargano. Gargano is also Vice-Chairman of the NY-NJ Port Authority which owns the land at the WTC site.

In 2004, the LMDC gave a $3 million grant to the 911WVFA, thereby allowing the 911WVFA to open the Tribute WTC Visitors Center in lower Manhattan. The center has 9/11 exhibits on display and conducts tours of the WTC site for a fee

[Gabi Hayes]

15. Lee Ielpi is a Chris Matthews, little-bit-of-fascism-is-good, kind of guy!

"If we must lose our civil liberties - then that's just the way it must be," said Ielpi, wearing a baseball cap bearing the stars and stripes and his son's name. "The terrorists are going to try again."..."--9/1/02 Cox News

[Gabi Hayes]

16. I've been watching cable news since 3 today, and guess how many times this

story came up?

that's right.

meanwhile, I saw the Hilary/South Park clip twice on CNN, and you should have seen the JOY on that horrid bimbo's face as she reported it, breathlessly

the ONLY place it apparently will see the light of day, at this point, is, of course, Olbermann. he's headlining it tonight.

[Gabi Hayes]

17. msnbc online, but NOT on TV, except KO

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17871371

Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani acknowledged again Friday that he made a mistake when he recommended Bernard Kerik to be the nation's homeland security chief.

The acknowledgment followed a report in The New York Times that the former New York City mayor was warned about Kerik's relationship with a company with suspected ties to organized crime even before Giuliani appointed Kerik as New York City police commissioner.

Giuliani told a Bronx grand jury last year that his former chief investigator recalled briefing him on Kerik's relationship with the company, Interstate Industrial Corp., before Kerik's appointment.
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But Giuliani, the front-runner for the 2008 GOP nomination, also told the grand jury he did not remember the briefing, the newspaper reported. A spokeswoman for Giuliani declined to explain why Giuliani appointed Kerik police commissioner despite having information about Kerik's relationship with Interstate Industrial.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. Kick! eom