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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:48 PM
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Eric Holder says no review underway for Siegelman.
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 09:50 PM by madfloridian
Holder talks more about Stevens conviction

Holder told reporters Thursday he's taking "a hard look at a variety of things in the department" as a result of the problems with the high-profile congressional corruption case.

"There are things that we have to take into account given what has happened recently, with regard to training, with regard to resources, and I expect that we'll have some announcements to make to you all in the not too distant future," Holder told reporters in a brief news conference at the Justice Department.

Asked whether he was taking another look at other public corruption prosecutions, such as the conviction of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman or cases against others in Alaska, Holder said he didn't have any reviews under way.

"But I always want to ensure that the Justice Department acts in a way that is consistent with the long tradition of this great department - that we treat people fairly, that if we make mistakes we admit them and that we then take the appropriate action," Holder said.


I am going to quote that great Alabama blogger named Legal Schnauzer, who had his own price to pay for standing up for Don Siegelman.

Legal Schnauzer is right...our Democrats owe it to Don Siegelman.

In a second intriguing post, Stevenson raises this troubling question: Once George W. Bush and his henchmen are out of the White House come January, will there be people in both political parties saying, "Let's sweep the Bush era under the carpet and move forward; got to keep our eyes on the future?"

Stevenson says that kind of pressure will come--surely from Republicans and probably from some Democrats. But Stevenson points to the Siegelman case as a prime example of why criminals in the Bush administration must be held accountable.

Siegelman enjoys a certain level of freedom now, but there is no guarantee that he will keep it. Who knows how his appeal will turn out? And what about the financial and emotional wreckage that has been heaped upon the former governor and his family?

I might add a point to the ones Stevenson raises: As Siegelman himself has said, this story is not just about him. In the Mississippi case involving Paul Minor and former state judges Wes Teel and John Whitfield, three men sit in federal prison for crimes they did not commit.

Shouldn't we make sure that someone is held accountable for that?


Amen for the Schnauzer.
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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:52 PM
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1. So Senator "series of tubes" Stevens gets the all clear
and Siegelman continues to rot.

Not loving it...
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:53 PM
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3. Indeed. The words bullshit and WTF
come very easily to mind. And I have just enough of a tinfoil hat on these days to wonder if the Bush-appointed Stevens prosecutors didn't deliberately fuck up so as to get just this kind of an outcome for Stevens.
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Kevin Cloyd Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:29 PM
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12. Does a bear crap in the woods?
The case against Stevens was, to use a Bush era phrase "a slam dunk", the ONLY WAY IN HELL FOR STEVENS TO BEAT THE RAP was for the prosecution to "F"up...And low and behold, the prosecution just happened to...F-up. Go figure.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:07 PM
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55. Stevens' prosecutors were not appointed by Bush
They were all career civil service DOJ employees.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:53 PM
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2. Don't worry--it's all part of some super secret double jujitsu plan far too complex
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 09:53 PM by QC
for mere mortals to comprehend.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:34 PM
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65. Kinda What I Was Thinking
:sarcasm:
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 08:51 PM
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72. Yes, that was funny.
Sad, but funny.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:59 PM
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84. Why do you hate America? n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:58 PM
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4. Holder is an errend runing factotum
Who's your Daddy, Eric?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 08:10 PM
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71. but the money and title sure are nice
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:01 PM
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5. you either trust them now or you don't
Student Who Distupted Illegal Land Auction Charged With Two Felonies By Obama DOJ
by: Paul Rosenberg
Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 11:30

In the waning weeks of the Bush Administration, Tim DeChristopher disrupted a lease of public lands for oil and gas exploration by bidding up prices against those who intended to drill on the lands if oil or gas was found. (Democracy Now! reported on December 22, and I diaried about it here the following Sunday.)

The leases were subsequently invalidated, because the hurried process of bringing them to bid violated federal regulations. Although he had no money to pay for the leases when he bid on them, DeChristopher subsequently did get the money to cover them, as the result of becoming an instant folk hero. He was prepared to pay for the leases, but the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) couldn't accept the money, since the leases had been invalidated.

Now, however, DeChristopher is being charged with two felonies, even though the only reason he didn't make good on the payments is because the sales were withdrawn. Apparently, the act of exposing the rigged nature of the bidding was crime enough--"disrupting" the tacit collusion whereby bidding stopped well short of what the bidders were actually willing to pay.

And this is the Obama Department of Justice we're talking about now.

Story from Democracy Now! on the flip.
Paul Rosenberg :: Student Who Distupted Illegal Land Auction Charged With Two Felonies By Obama DOJ
Democracy Now!:

AMY GOODMAN: Tim DeChristopher had been hoping the Obama administration would not press charges, but on Wednesday US Attorney Brett Tolman indicted DeChristopher for two felonies. If convicted, Tim faces up to ten years in prison and a $750,000 fine.

Tim DeChristopher joins us on the phone right now from Utah. Tim, were you surprised by the charges announced this week?

TIM DeCHRISTOPHER: I was somewhat surprised by that. We didn't really see it coming, and we thought that-that since the Salazar decision had pretty much decided that this was an unjust and inappropriate auction, that they weren't following their own rules, we had figured that they would probably just want to sweep this case away rather than have us kind of discover all the rules that weren't followed in this case and all the corruption and manipulation involved in this auction. And so, I was pretty surprised that the US attorney's office moved on this case and is now pushing it to trial.

Pretty surprised, indeed. What earthly reason is there for him to be prosecuted? If the Bush Administration had followed the law, the auction would never have happened in the first place. Whatever disruption he caused, he was disrupting an unlawful proceeding--one that Obama himself should have, and could have taken action to prevent. This auction was rather high-profile, moreso than many of the "midnight regulations" and other surreptitious actions being taken by the Bush Administration in its waning days. The process had been so hurried that all the required inter-agency procedures hadn't been followed. (In fact, even the normal intra-agencies hadn't been followed, which is why DeChristopher was able to so easily infiltrate the proceedings.)

Obama could have, and should have spoken out and said that all such questionable actions were going to be reviewed, and that in the case of actions that involved clear violations of laws and regulations such as this land auction in particular the entire proceeding would be voided, so there was no point in going ahead with it in the first place. This is what a truly aggressive break with the lawlessness of the Bush years would have looked like, and it would have eliminated the need for DeChristopher to have taken action in the first place.

AMY GOODMAN: After the Obama administration came in and Ken Salazar became the Secretary of the Interior, didn't he nullify or say that the land could not be sold?

TIM DeCHRISTOPHER: Yes, yes. All the parcels that I bid on were part of that decision, so all of those were nullified. That's why we had raised the funds to actually make the payments on there and offer that payment to the BLM, but they weren't able to accept that because of the Salazar decision, because it was all invalidated. And I think that they made that decision because they saw all the rules that the BLM didn't follow in this case, that they didn't give this auction the due process that it deserved. And so, I saw that really as an official ruling that what I was standing against was something illegal and unjust, and so I was surprised that they still wanted to prosecute me for my opposition to that unjust procedure.

Hmmmm. Looks like the community organizer in chief is not that kindly in his views of citizen activism after all, I guess. His own reluctance to speak out in advance against a clearly unlawful auction was the only reason DeChristopher had to act in the first place, yet here his DOJ is, going after DeChristoher, and ignoring all the insider lawbreaking involved in this case.

AMY GOODMAN: How much support have you received, Tim, since the December auction?

TIM DeCHRISTOPHER: I've received a huge amount of support really of every kind. I have received countless emails and calls from people expressing their support from around the country and around the world. I've received financial support, both back when we were trying to raise the funds to actually pay for the leases and financial support for my legal team. And we're collecting those donations again for my legal fund through the website bidder70.org. I had my amazing legal team of Patrick Shea and Ron Yengich step up to defend me, and they're donating their time.

And I think, most importantly, I've had a huge number of people step up in solidarity of my act and say that they, too, share my concern for our future and see that urgent need for action, and they're willing to take those sacrifices as well. From the group that we started called Peaceful Uprising to encourage this kind of act in the future and any kind of nonviolent direct action to defend our future from climate change, we took thirty students out to Washington, D.C. for the Power Shift conference and the Capitol Climate Action. And so, that was very powerful for me to see, to see this growing and to see more people step up and starting to take risks.

AMY GOODMAN: Tim DeChristopher, can you-

TIM DeCHRISTOPHER: I think that's probably the most important part of the support I've received.

It's really important that he's getting this sort of support, because without it, the Obama DOJ would just roll over him like he was a bug, apparently. Now here's the really good part, where he explains what he's being charged with:

AMY GOODMAN: Tim, can you explain exactly what you were charged with?

TIM DeCHRISTOPHER: Yes. I was charged with two counts: one of making a false statement to the government and one of violation of the Federal Onshore Oil and Gas Leasing Reform Act, which was supposed to establish a competitive bidding process for oil and gas leases.

So, "making a false statement to the government". You mean like Bush did to Congress in taking us to war with Iraq? Well, then, we'll be seeing charges filed against Bush any day now, right? Yeah, right.

And here's the great irony behind this second charge: by stepping in and bidding up the prices of a number of parcels before he finally managed to buy one himself, DeChristopher inadvertantly demonstrated that the bidding was essentially rigged. It was not the competitive bidding process that the Federal Onshore Oil and Gas Leasing Reform Act was supposed to establish. People were paying substantially less than they would have been willing to pay if there was a truly competitive bidding process. The pattern of bidding that occurred with him in the process clearly showed this. What he did caused no harm at all to anyone--except a bunch of corporate crooks trying to rip off the government. Indeed, what he revealed was a long-standing pattern of collusive bidding that has cost the government untold thousands, probably mil;lions, if not tens of millions of dollars.

There should be investigations and felony charges, all right. But not against DeChristopher. Those charges should be brought against the oil and gas companies that have been defrauding the government for who know how many years.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:17 PM
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9. thanks for posting this, this young man needs to be rewarded, not made an example.
Shameful prosecutions continue.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:06 PM
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6. Karl Rove wins again and again and again and again and again and again....
Obama = Bush!!!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:13 PM
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7. How special. How very special.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:13 PM
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8. WTF?!
I've been impressed with Obama's adminitration for the most part, but this kind of deliberate turning a blind eye is bullshit!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:07 PM
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16. Yes, they are deliberately ignoring it. Siegelman should not have to beg.
They are afraid of Karl Rove.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:29 PM
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49. They are afraid of Karl Rove and his masters the Bushes.
I don't think we are out of the woods yet.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:34 PM
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50. It's not just an ignore. It's a slap in the face!
It was all over the media yesterday that Siegelman was going to ask for equal treatment. This is the response.

Apparently it's too important to the Clintonian types to display how NOT partisan they are by fluffing Republicans and kicking Dems in the groin.

It never serves to pacify the Right. It's sheer insanity when it causes our freedom and integrity to get flushed down the tubes.

I was tired of that 10 years ago.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:12 PM
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82. Does this mean that you don't think Obama is in control of his administration?
Obama is the president, not Hillary. This should be laid at Obama's door.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:59 PM
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76. Oh Please....
They are afraid of an 'organization' much more powerful than piss-ass karl.

I'm so disgusted with Holder...lets the repugs off the hook and puts the screws to Siegelman.

WASF.

Nothing is 'changing'....just more of the same.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:22 PM
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10. Stevens Prosecutors were screwups, Siegelman Prosecutors were Corrupt
The prosecution misconduct against Siegelman was much more serious than against Stevens. It really was a conspiracy against Siegelman vs. the Stevens prosecutors were just screw-ups.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:26 PM
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17. It's amazing Holder is ignoring it.
It's like he brushed it off.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:53 PM
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20. You are mistaken
The prosecutors in charge of the Stevens case were seasoned prosecutors.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:28 PM
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11. If Holder can't recognize a case as false as Siegelman's . . .
what are we to make of that --- ????

Additionally, I would think all Democrats would feel threatened by the
injustice of the Siegelman case---!!!

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:36 PM
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14. All AMERICANS feel threatened!
We have to keep in mind how F***** up the last 'admin' left DOJ, +++, and Holder's only been in that job for how long? Stevens case was at a critical point.

This is the time to alert Holder about the mess he has down south.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:57 PM
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23. I might be nuts, but it looks like they sidelined an honest man in Siegelman ---
and it amazes me that their luck never seems to run out --- !!!

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:14 AM
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25. You are NOT nuts!
and its more than luck.

Write to Holder, please.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:32 AM
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27. How much more is going on "down south" . . . ???
This is the time to alert Holder about the mess he has down south.

I'm certainly regularly writing on many issues -- including our prison industrial
complex -- but I will make a point of writing Holder/Obama about Siegelman, etc.


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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:53 AM
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30. Don't know exactly,
but one siegelman related thing is judge patricia owen's recusal from the bench recently in a tangentially related case. Don't recall name; sorry.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:28 PM
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56. She seems to be referred to as both Patricia and Priscilla Owen/s . . . "fascist" . . !!!

http://www.wiolawapress.com/apriscilla.htm


And some other info . . .

"A former lawyer for the oil and gas industry, she reflexively favors manufacturers over consumers, employers over workers and insurers over sick people. In abortion cases Justice Owen has been resourceful about finding reasons that, despite United States Supreme Court holdings and Texas case law, women should be denied the right to choose."

The Times also finds Owen lacking in the ethics department:

"Justice Owen has also shown a disturbing lack of sensitivity to judicial ethics. She has raised large amounts of campaign contributions from corporations and law firms, and then declined to recuse herself when those contributors have had cases before her. And as a judicial candidate, she publicly endorsed a pro-business political action committee that was raising money to influence the rulings of the Texas Supreme Court."

It's not just the New York Times that has publicly called for Owen's rejection. An editorial in the San Francisco Chronicle called upon California Senator Diane Feinstein to vote against her confirmation . "The point is, Owen has created a strong record of "rewriting" the law when it does not match her conservative convictions. This is why it is vital that Feinstein reject this nomination."



http://www.talkleft.com/story/2002/09/04/943/20097
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #14
60. Huh? So you are saying that Pres Obama and Holder can't take immediate action? Why? nm
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:51 PM
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70. Because they have to inform themselves about the situation;
these things don't just happen with the snap of a finger.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:36 PM
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77. They don't "inform themselves", they have staff. And there is tons of data already available.
Ted Stevens got a quick look, didn't he. At least Holder could have said he would be looking into it. But no.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:05 AM
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79. "THEY" includes the staff.
There is data available, 'tons,' as you say. To do the job properly takes time.

Have you seen this?

'Defense attorneys for former Alabama governor Don Siegelman (D), for instance, recently sent a letter to Holder asking him to reopen the case for their client, who was convicted for his role in a corruption scheme. The ethics unit is investigating the lawyers who prosecuted Siegelman and was nearing the release of a report, which now may be delayed because of the new leadership within the OPR.'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:49 PM
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83. Maybe I misunderstood Holder. I thought he stated that no reviews were underway.
He certainly didn't say he was going to look into it. But Stevens got a quick look.

I am sick and tired of being told for years to be patient. I still want to know what really happened to JFK, RFK and Dr. King, and what happened on Sept 11.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 03:46 PM
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85. 'The ethics unit is investigating the lawyers who prosecuted Siegelman.'
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 03:47 PM by elleng
See above, #81.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:32 PM
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13. EVERYONE, ATTENTION!
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:21 AM
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34. AskDOJ@usdoj.gov
"I am also asking that you write to Attorney General Holder at AskDOJ@usdoj.gov to express your support for his courageous step toward restoring justice and encourage him to help right the wrongs in my case as well."
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:57 AM
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36. As I see it, this does NOT mean that it won't happen,
but that it has not happened yet.

This is why its so important to write Holder now.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:05 AM
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38. Absolutely, yes. I emailed. nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #36
61. Right, Holder is doing a poll to see what he should do. He either is going to do the right thing
or he isn't. Right now the money is on "isn't".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:50 PM
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15. IMO the Democrats are afraid of Karl Rove.
Sound silly? Not really at all.

He most likely has something on many of them. He's still got lots of media power.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 04:24 PM
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62. Duh!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:45 PM
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18. Some thing is very wrong here. nm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:46 PM
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19. Yes, very wrong.
They are afraid of something or someone.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:13 AM
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24. yes, i agree. nm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:08 PM
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46. Rove has his little files on all of these guys
.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:54 PM
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21. This is so wrong -
Things are starting to look like Fox's claim to "Fair and Balanced".
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #21
69. Or the Wizard of Oz
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". Wrong indeed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:54 PM
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22. This shows how very little attention they pay to our emails and calls.
All the correspondence about Siegelman, and no review is underway.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:17 AM
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26. I get emails from him and his family -
to sign petitions, make calls and sadly, to send money to help with his defense. The difference between blatant corruption as in his case against a probably purposeful goof in Stevens is enormous. Another injustice in top of the others.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:38 AM
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28. I am not liking Holder any more than I like Geithner.
:puke:
:mad:
:wtf:
:nuke:
:thumbsdown:
:grr:
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:39 AM
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29. Thom Hartmann could help.
One of his best friends is close to Holder. Let's listen tomorrow and see if Thom is aware of this. He reads DU and has Don on his show often, so maybe he can help.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:53 AM
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31. They are afraid of Karl Rove.
Our Dems are fearful.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:56 AM
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32. If our Dems are afraid of a little fat draft dodger like Karl Rove,
then we are in trouble.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:34 AM
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35. Understatement. They are afraid of the rightwing talkers as well.
And the cowardly make excuses for ignoring justice because it is just too risky.

At my local Dems meeting, a well respected member explained to me that Dems need to act more like Republicans or we are going to risk losing in the next election. He said he spoke to our state legislator who agreed with him. People are not going to be any politically smarter and are going to listen more and more to the corporate media as the economy continues to flounder.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:00 AM
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37. He has HUGE blackmail resources,
and USES them!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 03:09 PM
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57. It sure looks like Rove is running the show.
Any better explanations would be appreciated.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:17 AM
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33. K&R The Siegelman story is bigger than OJ and practically no one knows it. nt
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 03:42 AM
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39. you got that right about 100 times more important
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 04:56 AM
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40. Again I'll say, we were had last November.
Dammit. We (once again) have a government of scheming lying hacks who play politics with every fucking action, always in favor of the bush** admin or corporate Amurika.

Dammit. What next?
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 05:32 AM
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41. I think we re-elected Bush but thought we elected Obama. n/t
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:59 AM
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42. It appears that President Obama is losing some support here.
Judging by the response on this board it appears that President Obama is losing some very valuable support. It was people on this board that did the most to get him elected. If he alienates them, he could be in serious trouble. His choice of Holder, Summers and Geithner have not inspired my confidence. His high approval rating could be in jeopardy. Why has Holder acted so quickly in Stevens' case and has not looked at the Siegleman case as well as the those of Minor, Teel and Whitfield?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:17 AM
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44. It's like Holder just brushed it off.
Like he was so casual about a review not even being begun.

It is called fear of Rove.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 01:51 AM
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81. Its called a b.s. report from CQ.
They left out FACTS.

The ethics unit is investigating the lawyers who prosecuted Siegelman and was nearing the release of a report, which now may be delayed because of the new leadership within the OPR.'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:03 AM
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43. Rove: "I have a file on the things Tom Feeney has said about George Bush"
That goes to this issue here in the thread. Rove apparently has many files, and people do seem to be afraid of him.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0409/Karl_Rove_accosted_by_ex_GOP_Chief_of_Staff.html

UPDATE: According to people familiar with the back and forth, we hear this was the conversation between Roe and Rove:

Roe walked over to the table, "I'm Jason Roe."

Rove: "Oh, the famous Jason Roe."

Roe: "I don't know that I'm famous but I'm Tom Feeney's former chief of staff and I'm offended by your comments on Fox about Tom. You guys wouldn't be in the White House without Tom. And you made these really degrading comments about him that offended a lot of people."


oops, Jason Roe...lots of us heard about Feeney election shenanigans...did you just verify?

(Sidenote: Tom Feeney was the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives during the whole Bush/Gore 2000 recount.)

Rove: "Well, I have a file on the things Tom Feeney said about George Bush."

Roe: "That says more about you than me that you kept a file on Tom Feeney. This guy was so restrained in his desire to criticize the President--even against this staff's advice." Rove: "I have a file."

Roe: "I'm right here, tell me to my face what's in that file."

Rove: "I'll send you the file."

Roe: "Well I hope the file is the beginning of the conversation and not the end. I would love to disabuse you of whatever you think of Tom Feeney's loyalty from this file."

Rove: "If you keep talking over me this conversation's going to end right now."


Hey, Karl, you really do have the power, don't you?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:45 AM
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45. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:14 PM
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47. Trial balloon.
When asked directly about Siegelman, Holder said only that nothing's currently in the works. He's obviously still worried about appearing partisan, or isn't yet persuaded that review is needed.

This is a weak half-answer.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 12:27 PM
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48. It's a cowardly answer, really.
And considering the efforts the people have made on behalf of Siegelman....Holder either never reads his communications or is ignoring us.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:07 PM
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51. I'm confused about something
Doesn't Siegelman have an appeal going on? Isn't the Justice Department already investigating? (I'm sure I read this not a week ago.) Shouldn't any review by Holder wait for the investigation to be completed? So, while Holder may not have a review underway, nothing he said precludes a review, as I am reading it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:24 PM
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52. Read these articles.
http://pdamerica.org/articles/news/2009-04-01-10-17-16-news.php

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/siegelman_appeal_court_reverses_two_counts_but_uph.php

The 3 judge panel I think were Rove friendly to begin with and some were concerned about that.

If the DOJ is reviewing, then why did Siegelman send emails out for people to write Holder?

This case is on the back burner for some reason.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:32 PM
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53. It makes sense for Siegelman to send out emails as pressure
He's appealing the court's ruling. I just don't see how Holder is expected to review an investigation that is going on now.

As of 4/3 it wasn't on the back burner according to this:

The Justice Department’s internal watchdog, the Office of Professional Responsibility, is investigating allegations by former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman that he was targeted for prosecution because he is a Democrat. Siegelman is appealing a ruling by a three-judge federal appeals court that upheld his conviction. Democrats in Congress have also questioned the merits of the prosecution.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&refer=politics&sid=aIWsytNm3m6g

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:01 PM
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54. I have trouble separating Holder and the DOJ
http://www.usdoj.gov/02organizations/

So I am not sure just what you mean. If the DOJ is investigating why did Holder say they were not?

Maybe I am not understanding.

Here is more about the judges on his appeal which I mentioned above.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Judges_on_Siegelman_panel_were_all_0306.html


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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 03:43 PM
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58. I don't understand what's going on here
Is he ignoring the Siegelman case because of concern over being called "partisan"?

If he is, that's a mighty poor excuse.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 03:55 PM
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59. K & R
Time to clean house.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 05:55 PM
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63. Um ... and why not? n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:21 PM
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64. It seems that the only cases Obama and his DOJ are interested in
sweeping under the carpet are the insidious crimes of the Bushista. Don't even review Governor Siegelman, but let Stevens go. Charge an activist who was just trying to save a wilderness, but never, ever investigate torture, rendition, mass spying on US citizens, etc. I am beyond belief at this unexpected turn of events and mad as I have ever been. I knew from the day he began to run that W was a cretin, but I was totally taken in by Barack Obama.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:35 PM
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67. Weren't We All (nt)
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:35 PM
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66. Somebody Has Pictures
All I'm sayin'.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:36 PM
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68. I guess no review for Edwards either? Oh, nevermind no one on DU gives a shit about him.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:10 PM
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73. Eric Holder Wearing...thin----------
I could be wrong... maybe get flamed here... but I don't think Eric Holder is doing anything for the Dems.

Prosecute Bush torture? NO

End Government Spying on Taxpayers? NO

Inveestigate AIG and Wall Sreet? NO

Investigate DOJ Prosecutors NO

Stop DEA From Kicking in Medical Marijuana Doors NO
____________________________________________________________


So tell me again.. why do we NEED Eric Holder?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:24 PM
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74. Holder is doing Obama's bidding. Obama does not want to investigate
any Bush administration action. They must have something very big on him; no other answer makes sense. If that is so, he should let it come out or resign.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:55 PM
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75. Things are moving along.
Defense attorneys for former Alabama governor Don Siegelman (D), for instance, recently sent a letter to Holder asking him to reopen the case for their client, who was convicted for his role in a corruption scheme. The ethics unit is investigating the lawyers who prosecuted Siegelman and was nearing the release of a report, which now may be delayed because of the new leadership within the OPR.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x439707
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 11:51 PM
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78. We must keep our powder dry
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:32 AM
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80. If Holder won't move, then we need to pressure Obama to pardon Siegelman
A full, complete, and unconditional pardon too.
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