Holder has to go.

[Archae]

He's an asshole, period.

Ted Stevens? He gets left off, due to prosecutorial misconduct.

Sieglemann? Same thing, prosecutorial AND judicial misconduct, Holder won't let him off.

[babylonsister]

1. Because Holder used his integrity in determining the outcome

of Stevens' case, unlike anyone prior to him in the previous admin, people who actually have been accused of misconduct, you think he has to go? Well, I'm sure he'll take that under advisement. :eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

6. Excellent response, sister.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why so many DUers want the current adminstration to imitate the last one.

Integrity is not conditional.

[EFerrari]

15. Who is asking Holder to act in a partisan manner?

I want justice for Don Siegelman who is about to go back to jail for a trumped up conviction that is obviously political from start to finish. I want Holder to do his job.

[Renew Deal]

18. What makes you think he's not doing his job?

I saw something just yesterday saying that they are going through 30+ cases where the states secret privilege was used. So far they've looked at 3 of the 30+. So they are working on things.

[EFerrari]

20. Doing his job is not = to partisanship. That's the point. n/t

[montanacowboy]

2. Pretty Unbelievable huh?

Also, I think I read into his statement that further Alaska prosecutions are off the table also; does that mean Don Young too?

And Siegleman will most likely be sent back to jail.

[sharp_stick]

3. I think Holder is a breath of fresh air

for that department. It's been a long time since I've felt that the AG is not a simple tool of the Administration. Holder seems to be independant and thoughtful.

The Stevens and Siegelmann (sp?) aren't the same thing. I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of Siegelmann's case but it appears that he is getting through the appeals process. I think his appeal is going to be telling. Is it prosecutorial misconduct in his case or judicial misconduct or was it an insertion by members of the administration or was it all three. I think the Siegelmann case is a lot more complex than the case that Stevens had. The Stevens case was screwed by prosecutors so eager for a conviction that they simply lied to the defense and the courts about evidence and hid it. I think the Siegelmann case is a mess from top to bottom and it's going to take a lot more than simply having the AG force an end to it.

[EFerrari]

8. The Siegelman case is even more obviously blatant bullshit.

Not to mention, a criminal conspiracy. Holder needs to do something about it NOW.

[sharp_stick]

11. Conspiracy has to be proven

and no matter how obvious the presence of a conspiracy the proof of it is often very difficult to get. I think, given my pretty low knowledge level in legal affairs as a caveat, that Siegelman may be best served by carrying out the appeals process before involving the DOJ.

Conspiracy and simple incompetence on multiple levels are shown most when lots of lights are shined on them. A conspiracy is harder to hold together when more and more people are involved and as the appeal continues more and more, new eyeballs are looking at the intricacies of the case.

If Holder jumped in now and voided the conviction or whatever he could do it would look like a partisan punt. If Holder is to fix the DOJ he has to remain out of the partisan gutter. The last 8 years have turned the DOJ into a simple arm of the White House and that can't be allowed to stand.

All of course, simply my $0.02.

[EFerrari]

14. Maybe you should take at look at this pdf from Siegelman's lawyer to Holder.

http://blackrockonline.com/img/holder_letter.pdf

Democrats should not get less consideration from Holder for being Democrats.

[sharp_stick]

17. The DOJ is examining the case

I agree with you that Siegelman likely got screwed. I think he's the poster child for the fucked up DOJ under Ashcroft, Gonzalez and Mukasey (sp?) and I really wand his case to blow the lid off the corruption of the department under the misadministration of shrub/crashcart.

Siegelmans case is a lot more complicated than Stevens, I think it's going to be a lot tougher to get to the bottom of it and it's not going to be done right away. Stevens was a simple case of Prosecutorial misconduct, I think Siegelman involves a lot more levels of the Government, including the Attorney General IMHO. If you're going to do this right you better be damned sure that all your ducks are lined up.

I also think Siegelman will get his revenge, I really really hope he does and I hope it destroys whatever paper thin veneer of honor is left on the legacy of GWB.

"The Justice Department’s internal watchdog, the Office of Professional Responsibility, is investigating allegations by former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman that he was targeted for prosecution because he is a Democrat. Siegelman is appealing a ruling by a three-judge federal appeals court that upheld his conviction. Democrats in Congress have also questioned the merits of the prosecution."

[Supersedeas]

31. that seems to conflict with this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3825220&mesg_id=3825220

[cascadiance]

32. Proving conspiracy REQUIRES review. Holder SAID he's not reviewing Siegelman! That IS his job!

And to do it equitably for BOTH parties, not just to gain favor with the other party (which YES is partisan BS AGAINST THOSE OF HIS OWN PARTY!)

Perhaps he can't let off Siegelman just yet because he's not had time to review the case, BUT he needs to at least START reviewing this case! To not do so is not doing his job!

[cali]

4. yawn. whatcha gonna do, bleed all over him?

[NightWatcher]

5. has he replaced the US Attorneys that replaced the illegallly fired US Attorneys?

or will he keep the attys from Liberty University in place?

[Buzz Clik]

7. One will hope that he will use good judgment in his decisions.

If Holder continues the unthinkable policies of partisanship in the Justice Department, this country has no future.

I think Holder is doing a fantastic job.

[Joe Chi Minh]

12. Do you mean you interpet the removal of people appointed on the most partisan Republican grounds,

following the equally partisan dismissal of conscientious non-partisan people, would be truly partisan, and would mean the end of your country?

[Buzz Clik]

26. No.

[Joe Chi Minh]

28. Good.

[cali]

9. that is entirely up to the prez- they serve at his pleasure.

[MADem]

10. That's Obama's job.

Some recent history on the topic: http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/01/transition-staff-briefly-addresses-the-us-attorney-question.html

[sharp_stick]

13. Obama will replace them

It's his job and like all previous Presidents I'm sure he will do it. Unlike his predecessor I'm also pretty sure he will replace them with much more competent individuals. I think having a degree from some baptist hole like Liberty should be cause for immediate dismissal from any job personally, including McDonalds fry station but that's just me.

[Renew Deal]

16. Is this todays outrage of the day?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

22. Is that today's snarky invalidation of the day?

GD: P must be leaking again.

[Renew Deal]

24. No, I'm just warming up.

I haven't even had lunch yet.

[EFerrari]

25. Well, this is traditionally a day for expiation and penance. n/t

[virginia mountainman]

19. Yes, He does...

Don't forget his comments about the Bill of Rights as well..

He is unfit to hold that post

[WI_DEM]

21. Holder has been doing a damn good job, imo.

[librechik]

23. Really? I guess that's why Rove is running around loose

so he can destroy our public discourse. Cuz Holder is doing his job. He's doing great on the torture prosecutions too!

:sarcasm:


Go Holder! And take Rahm with you!

[Pastiche423]

27. What good is he doing?

Please list all of his accomplishments w/links.

A man that has let a corrupt rebubic off scot free, yet has completely ignored an innocent Democrat is doing a damn good job?

That is some seriously fucked up thinking.

[Supersedeas]

29. Wow....based on what exactly?

[mvd]

30. If this doesn't change, I agree there's a problem

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3825220