15-year-old dies after being Tasered by police

[babylonsister]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090410/teen-tasered-death/

15-year-old dies after being Tasered by police


April 10, 2009 06:06 PM EST | AP

DETROIT — A 15-year-old has died after he was Tasered by police following a traffic stop and short foot chase that began just north of Detroit.

Warren Deputy Police Commissioner Jere Green says the teen was Tasered Friday while struggling with officers inside an abandoned Detroit house. He later was pronounced dead at a local hospital.

The house was about a half-mile from where Warren police stopped a vehicle for having an expired license plate. The teen was one of three people in the vehicle. The other two were taken into custody.

The death is under investigation. An autopsy is scheduled Saturday.

[sakabatou]

1. Non-leathal my fucking ass

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

66. Who claimed they were?

[MadHound]

71. Well, the whole initial campaign used to promote tasers,

Both by cops and by Taser manufacturers was that they were indeed a non-lethal way of subduing people.

Here's a quote from the Taser site itself: "The ADVANCED TASER M26 was adopted by thousands of law enforcement agencies, and was hailed as a breakthrough - as the first non-lethal weapon capable of stopping aggressive, focused, or drug-impaired persons"
<http://www.taser.com/research/Science/Pages/HistoryofTASERDevices.aspx>

Now they're on to a new buzz phrase: "Learn more about reducing officer and suspect injuries." Yeah, right, injuries are reduced BECAUSE THE VICTIM IS DEAD!
<http://www.taser.com/pages/default.aspx>

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

82. They've consistently been called less lethal weapons for years now.

[MadHound]

84. No, they've been consistently been called NON-lethal weapons

I just showed you a quote from the company that makes them, and they have been referred to as non-lethal in the press, on television, and by the police departments themselves. Hell, just Google "Tasers non-lethal and see how many millions of hits you come up with.

Tasers have been consistently sold as non-lethal, not less lethal. Sorry that the facts don't support you, but:shrug:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

86. You said the whole initial campaign, do you have a recent non lethal quote?

Initially before they had been used widely they were thought to be non lethal. After a few deaths they all began to call them less lethal.

From wikipedia, "Tasers were introduced as less-lethal weapons to be used by police to subdue fleeing, belligerent, or potentially dangerous subjects, often when what they consider to be a more lethal weapon would have otherwise been used. The use of Tasers has become controversial following instances of Taser use which have resulted in serious injury and death.<6><7>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser

David

[MadHound]

89. Here,

"The majority of Columbia’s patrol officers will soon be carrying one of the most debated non-lethal weapons in the country: the Taser stun gun."
<http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/03/19/columbia-police-department-arm-officers-taser-stun/>

This is how they're sold
"Taser International Non-lethal Defense TASER 31090 C2 TASER"
<http://www.topglock.com/category/295-Taser_CS2_Self_Defense.aspx?TID=BM369-20071116>

This is particularly weird read, comparing Tasers to pepper spray:eyes:
"TASER is not the first non-lethal law enforcement weapon to be attacked by Amnesty International, the ACLU, and other civil liberties advocates. Two decades ago, chemical irritants such as pepper spray were targeted by these groups.
<http://www.policemag.com/Articles/2007/07/Are-TASERs-Really-Non-Lethal.aspx>

"SPD adds non-lethal tactic to arsenal"
<http://www.journal-advocate.com/news/2009/feb/09/spd-adds-non-lethal-tactic-arsenal/>

Just simply Google Taser non lethal and you'll come up with hundreds of thousands of hits. Better yet, Google police department taser non lethal, and you will come up with a lot of police department literature referring to Tasers as non-lethal.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

90. I've seen several departments training on tasers and they specifically say less lethal.

Google less lethal you'll come up with several hundred thousand hits, also. I will say though that the media still uses non lethal and less lethal interchangeably.



David

[Tangerine LaBamba]

2. An expired license plate.........

"We killed your kid because that license plate had expired."

Oh, well, then, I guess the little bastard had it coming.

Someone better take these tasers away from these clowns. They're incompetent to handle them, and they're using them indiscriminately and inappropriately. Grown men couldn't handle a fifteen-year-old kid without tasering him?

What did they do before they got tasers?

Not kill children?

[stray cat]

4. actually a foot chase and a fight - still a tragic state of affairs

[Tangerine LaBamba]

5. It began with an expired license plate -

that was the point, don't you know?

[vadawg]

16. it started with an expired tag, thats called probable cause,

then the kid ran and was chased, when caught he fought, what do you suggest use of the baton, not want to prejudge ill wait to see all the facts, but i can tell from experience the taser is much safer for me and the suspect than both of us going toe to toe in a fistfight.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. So you are claiming that tasers are safer than a fistfight with a cop ?

Seriously?!

[vadawg]

24. hell yes, i got into a fight yesterday and i was lucky to walk away unhurt

i can state categorically that using a taser definetly makes a fistfight much safer for the cop, and i would say isolated incidents apart much safer to the perp than having a couple of 40's in them.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. How many people die from a fist fight with a cop?

How many have died from being tasered by a cop?

[vadawg]

31. lots die when the fistfight escalates, when the cop draws his weapon or tactical folder when he feel

he may lose the fight, as ive said you have no idea what it is like to go into a situation were you might not make it home every day, when the battle begins because that is what it is you fight to win and that means using everything you have and can do.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

83. I've never known a cop to get in a fistfight on duty.

They are trained to deploy weapons when confronted with a violent attack. Baton, pepper spray, taser or firearms are almost always used in some form or another.

David

[Tangerine LaBamba]

52. Please ............

spare my your legal pontificating. One of the funny things about a message board is that you never know to whom you're speaking, and right now, child, you're making a fool of yourself.

No one said anything about the legitimacy of the stop, so get off your high horse. The simple fact is that a fifteen-year-old boy is dead because a couple of cops overreacted. And that is without dispute.

Now, go read a Black's law dictionary, why don't you? And be careful when you try to call out an old defense lawyer .............

[vadawg]

77. child lol, wasnt callig you out, was just walking through what happened

no high horse to get off, just stating cop stops car, had cause, occupant runs, cop chases, occupant fights when caught, officer deploys taser, occupant dies due to unknown medical cause. Cop didnt plan to kill occupant, occupant chose to run, chose to fight, cant blame cop for doing what seems to be his job.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

85. Perhaps the question should be

why does an expired plate merit such a response on the part of law enforcement?

[Hippo_Tron]

57. Here's a thought...

Let him go, tow the car, and then show up at his house later if you want to arrest him. Yes the kid was resisting arrest but he also wasn't a danger to anybody. No need to use potentially lethal force.

[babylonsister]

6. Can you believe it? 15-years old, dead, all started over

a license plate? Sigh. 'Clowns' is too gentle a word. :grr:

[FiveGoodMen]

3. Not exactly an isolated event, is it?

[Hepburn]

7. Sooooooooo.... what threat did he present to law enforcement....

...to allow for this kind of force? :shrug:

[MrSlayer]

8. If you fight with the cops you are going to lose.

Unfortunately you may lose your life as well as the fight.

[The Doctor.]

9. Yep... stupid victim. Shouldn't he have known there was nothing to fear before running?

Oh... right.

"Mr. Slayer"... did it perhaps occur to you that there is a REASON some people feel they have to flee or fight for their lives when the cops confront them?

[MrSlayer]

14. Not really, no.

Generally, if you do what the officer tells you to do you're fine. "Yes, officer", "No officer" seems to work really well when they confront you. If the kid had stayed put and did what he was supposed to do, he would have been alive right now.

[Usrename]

53. Kill the little mutherfucker if he won't say "yessir" and "nosir".

Damn straight.

He had it coming to him.

[MrSlayer]

65. This is an idiotic viewpoint.

No one is saying to kill him for not being polite but anyone with sense realizes that being rude or running away or attacking a policeman is only going to make your position worse. The police want their traffic stops to go as smoothly as possible but if you run you are inviting a chase and if you fight you are inviting retaliation. Again, if he had done what he was supposed to do, this would not have happened. He didn't deserve to be killed nor did the police intend to kill him but there is no doubt that his own actions brought about the result.

[The Doctor.]

56. That guy that was shot dead in the subway did everything he was told.

Then they shot him.

In fact, in most major cities, particularly Atlanta, Chicago, and LA, the cops have a VERY bad reputation for beating and killing folks who aren't doing anything wrong.

My point is that you're kind of oblivious to the reality on many of our city streets. Tell some poor black kids from Atlanta what you just posted here and see how they look at you.

[vadawg]

79. yeah that one was strange, only way it could be accidental was if the officer had changed his belt

layout, i did this once and in the middle of a rumble went for my nightstick and ended up holding a mini maglight, needless to say it got changed back to the original layout immediately.

[The Doctor.]

91. Right, because a stunner and a gun have the exact same deployment technique.

Gotcha.

Look, I understand that changing things up could be a problem when doing reflexive things, but stun guns/tasers and guns are VERY fucking different. Anyone that can make that kind of mistake shouldn't even be serving coffee at a restaurant, let alone carrying a firearm.

[Oak2004]

87. Right. Like the guy sitting and waiting who was shot in the head recently nt

[Th1onein]

15. What a COGENT ILLUMINATING comment!

I can hear the testosterone dripping! This kind of shit makes me sick. If you fight with the cops you shouldn't have to worry about losing your life. What bullshit. If I were this kid's parents I would be chaining myself to the doors of City Hall.

[vadawg]

18. why shouldnt you worry about losing your life if you fight the cops

everytime i go hands on i know i might not get to go home, if you fight me then i am literally going to do as much damage to you as possible until i make you stop, one things for certain im going home at the end of my shift. I like the taser because it means that i dont have to put myself into a situation were i get overpowered or a shank drawn on me at close quarters.

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. You like the taser

How many have you killed with your taser?

[vadawg]

25. no where as many times as ive killed with a gun, what a dumb question

though i can say that when ive deployed my taser, i sure as hell have injured myself a hell of a lot less.

[Th1onein]

26. HAHAHAHA! You've got to be kidding!

Yeah, right! You're just such a rowdy boy you've killed time and time again with your GUN! Big, bad cop! Uh huh! Yeah, right!

It's easy to be anybody you want to be on the internet, isn't it?

[vadawg]

29. umm your the one who asked a dumb question, never had to fire my gun as a cop

but as a soldier, many times.

[Th1onein]

54. REALLY? Then what's with the statement here?

"no where as many times as ive killed with a gun, what a dumb question
though i can say that when ive deployed my taser, i sure as hell have injured myself a hell of a lot less."

[Mother Of Four]

30. I seriously doubt you're a police officer.

This is from the review of the NYPD- one of the largest forces in the USA.

Bold is mine.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG717/

"The Firearms and Tactics Section of the NYPD Police Academy produces an
annual report on firearm discharges from the previous year. With a uniformed force
of approximately 37,000 officers, it is unlikely, statistically, that an officer will ever
discharge his or her weapon during his or her entire career on the police force. During
2006, 156 officers were involved in a firearm-discharge incident. Moreover, fewer than
half of these incidents involved an officer shooting at a human being. The majority
of discharges are accidental or involve officers shooting at dogs. After eliminating
two-sided gunfights, there were 47 incidents in which an officer discharged his or
her weapon without being fired on.1 Unfortunately, firearm-discharge statistics are
not collected nationally, so comparisons with national averages or other departments
are difficult. Moreover, while the Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement
Agencies (CALEA) publishes standards, they are very general and do not prescribe
specific procedures to follow. However, we did identify one department, the Metropolitan
Police Department of Washington, D.C. (MPDC), that reports statistics that
use categories that are comparable with those that the NYPD uses (MPDC, 2006).2
In 2005, the NYPD was almost 10 times larger than the MPDC. Comparing the perofficer
discharge rate of the two departments, the police in Washington “intentionally
discharged firearms at people” 3.7 times more than did police officers in New York
City.3"


Why did I post this you ask?
To use it as an example, you're saying "no where as many times as ive killed with a gun"

So dear, just how many people have you killed with a gun. No, not wounded. KILLED.


156 out of 37,000 discharged a firearm in 2006 on NYPD. In New York for crying out loud.

Please. Just...please. :eyes:



(Edited to add: I saw your response to the other poster. We are talking Civvie LE- NOT a war situation.)

[vadawg]

33. umm hello is it really necessary to use the sarcasm emoticon everytime.

[Mother Of Four]

36. Look-

My husband was in the Army for 22 years, he's been in Civvie LE for over 5.

What really grinds my gears, is people like you defending the cops that give good cops a bad name.

The kid was already fighting, after running. His adrenaline was up, and his heart was pounding. Someone with asthma will be audibly wheezing after that. Unless he had a weapon, or was completely hopped up they could have subdued him using joint locks or other compliance techniques. http://www.candgnews.com/Homepage-Articles/2009/4-8-09/Warren-teen-dies-Taser.asp (In this article it states that he had asthma issues and no where does it state he was hopped up on anything or had any form of weapon.)

Shooting a tazer into him was irresponsible.

Should he have fled? No. Is it common knowledge that if you run and get caught you'll get hurt when they subdue you? Yes.

Do I want my husband home each night after a shift, yes most definitely. But you can believe he only uses the force warranted for the situation. We have had numerous discussions about it since I worked 911 dispatch and EMS.

Like I said, I doubt you're PD. If you are, you need some serious remediation.

[vadawg]

38. And like i said you have no idea, just because you are married to LEO means nothing

my wife has no idea what its like to be in a rolling fistfight with a hopped up junkie in a darkened ally so i know you sure as hell dont know either. I am not going to say that tasering him was wrong if he was actively fighting the popo, as soon as you lift your hands to fight the popo then i am going to do and use everything i have at my use to win, and i can betcha your husband is the exact same no matter what he tells you. In a fight you fight to win and you fight hard, you dont hold back anything because the guy your fighting sure as hell might be the one who gains control over you, and then your wife is attending your funeral.

[Mother Of Four]

41. You really have no f-ing clue do you?

I've fought with junkies in the back of my ambulance, dealt with many other PD besides my husband. And now you're calling my husband a liar?

Again. Please. :eyes:

You seriously need some remediation, and no that's not an insult I'm being honest.

Your dear sweet wife may not have any idea, but I grew up in this lifestyle WAY before I met my husband.

You are to use the force necessary to subdue, not "as soon as you lift your hands to fight the popo then i am going to do and use everything i have at my use to win"

If it requires lethal force, that's what it requires. But you do NOT proverbially smash an ant with a sledgehammer.


Oh and I just read this to hubby, he wants me to add-
"Any force continuum says that you stay one level above the force against you."

[vadawg]

42. So if say some dude has him on the ground in a choke hold, he wont draw his weapon and shoot

like i said you are deluded if you dont believe that cops have to fight to win and im sorry if you think the force continuim is static in its use, all you have to be able to do is justify why you did something, the way we aere taught was not to subdue but to stop the aggressive action, which means all the way up to lethal force. as to remediation, once again i am glad for your professional consultation over the internets but i can assure you i am fine.

[Mother Of Four]

47. Oh give me a break.

I never once said that LEO's don't fight to win, I said that YOU need remediation because- and I'll paraphrase...

You will use EVERYTHING AT YOUR DISPOSAL to win.

Only an idiot thinks that the continuum is static, if you are spraying and it has no effect then you go hard hand etc.

What YOU are saying, whether you realize it or not, is that in any situation where there may be a physical confrontation you are going balls to the wall and beating the sh-t out of them.

So let's do a little exercise-

Woman is in a domestic dispute, she loses control and slaps you. Under what YOU are saying, you're going to beat the living hell out of her because she might just pull a shank out and stab you.

Maybe you want to clarify, or not. At this point, I could really care less.

[vadawg]

48. im glad you couldnt care less, but yes if im in a fight i will go balls to the wall to win that figh

a good fight is one that i win in the first 2 seconds,

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. How many have you killed with your gun?

I also find it interesting that you keep going back to YOUR injuries or a COP'S injuries. I would think most cops would be first concerned with the safety of the PEOPLE they are paid to protect. Protect and serve doesn't mean much to you I guess. And in this situation, as long as a cop wasn't hurt, it was okay to kill a kid.

That's what you are projecting here.

[vadawg]

80. im not sure if their is a language nuance we are both missing here

im protecting you and the other people who dont want to be robbed etc, but when someone decides to fight me, then im in self preservation mode, its im going home at the end of my shift mode. If someone is getting hurt then im gonna do my best to make sure its the other guy, and if anybody in law enforcement or any kind of security work tells you different they are lieing.

[Th1onein]

22. Uh HELLO? It's called lethal force?

You can't use lethal force against someone who is not using lethal force against you. Not even if you're a cop!

"If you fight me then I am literally going to do as much damage to you as possible until I make you stop," is not a statement that should be coming from an officer's mouth. That's not the purpose of your weapons, nor the purpose of your job. You should be ashamed of yourself.

With an attitude like that, you don't need to work in law enforcement. Where do you work? I am going to call and let them know about you.

[vadawg]

27. lol you have no idea what lethal force is, you go ahead and call you will be laughed at

if you are fighting me, i gotta presume you are trying to hurt me and in the state i work i can use lethal force to protect from serious injury and well as to protect life, so i am gonna do as much to hurt you as possible until you give up. For us on the street and jails its a matter of life and death every day, we dont have the ability to monday morning quaterback when it goes bad in a darkened alley or isolated jail cell.

[JANdad]

72. If YOU are a Cop...

then you are in the wrong line of business:

if you fight me then i am literally going to do as much damage to you as possible until i make you stop

I belive that the mandate is supposed to be "the least damage possible", not the MOST

asswipe!

[vadawg]

73. you have no clue, the quote is i am going to do as much damage until i make you stop

this is how you win a fight, you dont try to do the least damage, you try to make the other person not want to fight by disrupting and hurting them. If i was in a life or death fight and pulled my punches then i probuably would lose and get my ass killed, so therefore the aim is to end the fight as quickly as possible in my favour. I cant believe that so many people here cant understand that if you fight the police we dont have the luxury of knowing if you are the untimate warrior of the couch potato, we just have to fight to win in the shortest time possible.

[JANdad]

75. Oh bullshit!

I was trained as a cop as well and ALL the training I recieved taught me that one employs the LEAST amount of FORCE to get the job done! Why do you think that term "EXCESSIVE FORCE" even exists...go away troll!

[vadawg]

76. lol troll is that the best you can do, and if you trained as a cop then tell me what you were traine

trained to do in a fight, let me guess, presence, voice commands etc, bullshit when the shit hits the fan you escalate like crazy and win the fight. Im still shocked by the lack of knowledge on how fights on the street are won on DU, its not like the movies at all, its all about you doing as much violence in a short time as possible. Note i am talking about a full on fight with a perp, not some women slapping me in the face as an earlier poster advised, for that she would be cuffed, sprayed if she didnt comply, mayby tased if she fought, shot if she had a weapon.

[sniffa]

37. And sometimes the cops lose

Unfortunately they may lose their lives as well like in Pittsburgh.

[vadawg]

40. yup, thats why we have a batman belt full of stuff and stuff in the trunk etc

its all to try and make sure we get home after our shift, it seems that some people on DU would rather that more cops die by not using and doing everything they can when they are involved in fights.

[Hippo_Tron]

58. Why couldn't they just let the kid go and show up at his house later?

He was pulled over for a license plate and was not endangering anybody.

[The Doctor.]

60. A..... 'Batman'..... Belt.....?

Do cops really call it a 'Batman Belt'?

That's just... dippy.

[Mother Of Four]

67. Some do-

It's because they have so much gear on it.

Holster for the firearm, and tazer. Ammo case, spray, monadnock baton, radio, 2 sets of cuffs, keepers and cell phone. Hubby wears a double layer belt, the bottom one is a type of velcro that goes into his belt loops- the top is basketweave and gets put on over it. The keepers clip the two together. Wallet etc as well as what you would normally carry in your pants.

Then you figure what they keep in and on their shirt-
Badge, name tag (many use a backer that has the rank at the top and "serving since year" on the bottom). Set of rank insignia on the collar, keeper for a key clipped to the shoulder, radio clip hooked from the shoulder to the waist, tie, tie keeper, small notebook, 2-3 pens, business cards, likely a pack of gum. Not to mention their vest.

My DH doesn't call it his "Batman belt" he calls it his equipment. :shrug: but it's not unusual for them to tongue and cheek call it that.

All in all they carry 25-35 lbs of additional weight when they get on shift.

[havocmom]

39. yep.

Can't really fault cop when someone bolts then fights.

[Kevin Cloyd]

10. Brain dead stupid cops

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090409/LOCAL01/904090444

This is an article from yesterday’s Indianapolis Star about a Hamilton County Deputy who is suing the county because he was fired for refusing to be shocked by a Taser as part of the training to use them. The Sheriff had TWO DOCTORS’ LETTERS advising that due to existing medical conditions he should not be tasered.

From the article: "Barnes, whose department is among several in Central Indiana, including Indianapolis police that require such training. "What happens if you're wrestling with a suspect, and he grabs your Taser (and shoots you)? If you can't perform your duties, you're putting everyone else at risk.""

By definition after being Tased you are incapacitated, How the F do you “perform your duties” while you are laying paralyzed on the F’n floor? The fired officer should amend his lawsuit to include that working for a moron is an unnecessary hazard.

[Indy Lurker]

11. Too bad

that one kid decided to fight the police over an expired tag.

The other two managed to get arrested without being tasered.

[arcadian]

12. Cop defenders in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

[Gregorian]

13. These Tazers need to be stopped!

Having worked in cardiology, it just feels like a roving band of goons who are wielding a portable electrophysiology lab. I bet anything that these god damned Tazers are inducing arrhythmias in their subjects.

What is wrong with this country that we would allow such evil? It's evil.

[rainbow4321]

17. My hospital's police force is now authorized to use tasers

It's a county hospital so the hospital police are really the city police. Real guns, real bullets...and now real tasers.

When I read our internal article about it, I cringed...how long before a patient or visitor is stunned and injured/killed?? The local media jumps at ANYthing that will put the hospital in a bad light..it's just a matter of time.

[SmileyRose]

88. Ok that made me laugh

Rather than teach security a few people skills to deal with overwhelmed patients (often their illness makes them out of their right mind) and their families, we just taser their ass into submission.

There comes a point when it's so idiotic you feel a laugh coming on.

[TexasObserver]

21. We need tougher criminal penalties for police who kill suspects.

One way to end this would be to automatically suspend for one year (with pay) any officer involved in any death of a civilian, and during their suspension, require them to submit to extensive psychological testing to determine if they're fit to hold a badge, gun, and taser. Require them to take courses that would explain better their duty not to kill civilians. Require them to meet with the members of the family of the deceased once a month for a year, and to listen to what they have to say. Deny them the use of a gun or taser during such suspensions, when they could do only office work.

The term "cop killers" used to mean people who killed cops. Now it means cops who are killers.

[vadawg]

34. jeez and when i see the defenders of cop killers on this site laud the killers or justify them

its amazing the complete lack of knowledge that i see on DU when it comes to law enforcement and what it actually entails, you think the vast majority of cops who do kill in the line of duty ever wanted to do so, no, things happen when you are dealing with the worst of society and sometimes people just make mistakes and do dumb stuff like fight a cop, or run a roadblock or try to ram a cops car. the advice above is the best you can receive, when dealing with the popo do as you are told and fight your battles in court, because there is not a cop in the world who is going to allow you to fight them and not fight back with everythiong they have.

[TexasObserver]

43. Your response demonstrates why we must remove bad officers from duty.

The police are employees. When they think they're the law, not officers charged with following the law, they need to be removed from law enforcement.

[vadawg]

45. not sure what in my response you are responding to, protecting yourself is part of being a cop

i may be mistaken but you seem to believe that no cop should ever defend themselves, i dont know mayby we are talking by each other.

[TexasObserver]

49. Killing civilians isn't part of being a cop.

You seem unwilling to accept that a significant number of cops should not be allowed to have such a position. It is imperative that we get rid of those cops, and a good place to start is with cops who kill civilians.

I suggested that they be suspended a year after killing a civilian and basically have to prove that they are emotionally and psychological fit to carry weapons and be in law enforcement. Such a rule would do two things: (1) it would stop cops from acting as if they can beat, shoot or tase anyone any time they felt their ego wounded, and (2) stop cops from excess conduct - a frequent problem - because they don't want to see their symbol of manhood removed from their possession for one year.

Your comments are juvenile, lacking maturity or knowledge.

[vadawg]

50. and you write like an idiot, you dont get it sometimes in this job you have to take a life

thats a fact of life, same as the military. You seem to think that punishing a righteous shoot is gonna help, all its going to do is get rid of all the good cops

[TexasObserver]

51. We need to be fire and ban from law enforcement police who lack good judgment.

Thanks for helping me prove my points.

You've been an invaluable tool in this thread, demonstrating why we can't allow bad cops to have guns, badges and tasers.

[The Doctor.]

61. Uhhh.... buddy, I just read a whole SLEW of your posts, and I just gotta say....

For you to claim someone else 'writes like an idiot' is the height of absurdity.

Just sayin'.

[Raineyb]

78. How about criminal penalties period

Since the vast majority of the time the cops are not punished.

And no going through a trial so that a judge can let them walk way is not punishment enough.

Regards

[VPStoltz]

23. Why didn't they take the - now dead - kid in with the others?

Too much paperwork probably.
Let him go and HOPE he does the right thing.
It's easier to create a situation to justify the means then to justify the means of the situation such as why the kids were are detain in the first place.

[cbc5g]

32. sad

don't fuck with cops

[sniffa]

44. Too bad this guy didn't know not to fuck with cops

[cbc5g]

35. you all can attack cops on here all you want

but guaranteed if someone was beating the tar out of you and a cop was nearby you'd want him tasering and getting the violent person off you.


It's easy to blame cops all the time until you are in a tough situation yourself. Then afterwards when you are thanking the cops for an hour you can remember how fucking foolish you were to blame cops first.

[tuckessee]

46. Stupid comparison

If someone were, as you say, beating the tar out of me, I would want ANY bystander to stop it and I would be thankful to anyone who did. Even if that person was Charles Manson.

Get that cop jock out of your face and maybe you'll start making sense.

[omega minimo]

55. If tasers are an appropriate tool and appropriate use of force, why are they killing people?

Maybe the technology AND the policies need some finetuning, eh?

[Hippo_Tron]

59. The kid wasn't beating anybody, it was a fucking traffic stop

Running from the cops for a traffic stop doesn't necessitate the use of potentially lethal force. Tow the damn car and show up at his house later to arrest him.

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. But this kid wasn't beating the tar out of anyone

He was also a KID. And now he is dead.

Your analogy fails.

[geomon666]

64. It's easy to blame cops in this case...

because they are the ones who needlessly killed a child.

[fascisthunter]

81. people aren't attacking them just because they "want"

some have been actual victims of police abuse.

[TroglodyteScholar]

68. ...

[vadawg]

69. lol, that poster is going in the roll call room, thats classic N/T

[TroglodyteScholar]

70. Yea, it's perfectly hilarious...

Especially when, like me, you've been assaulted by a cop twice your size even though you weren't displaying a hint of aggressive behavior. Ah, the thought of that illegal beat-down just always gives me warmest feeling.

[nolabels]

74. Cops -1, Justice -0

The police forces across the nation are turning into the thug arm of wealth and the privileged, why should one be surprised :shrug:

[BlooInBloo]

92. Fuck. The state-sponsored domestic terrorists got another one. Damn cops to fucking hell.