breeder Biden bought puppy from harrased.

[KG]

:wtf:
Biden's Puppy Breeder: "Never, Never, Never Again"

Woman is vilified for selling a pedigreed pup to the Bidens.

By KAREN ARAIZA

Updated 2:48 PM EDT, Fri, Apr 10, 2009

Fifteen minutes of fame turned into four months of bitter remorse for the Chester County woman who sold the Bidens their adorable little German shepherd puppy.

Linda Brown's been investigated, scorned and had her life threatened.

"I thought when Joe Biden bought a puppy from me, what an honor," Brown told the Daily Local News. "Out of millions of breeders in the country, in the world, he picked me."

That was December.

When the story got out, Brown faced backlash from pet lovers who thought the Bidens should have opted for a shelter over a breeder to find their new puppy.

PETA seized the moment as an opportunity to blame the killing of shelter animals on people who buy from breeders. The organization's TV commercial, "Buy One, Get One Killed" ran in Delaware after the Biden puppy story made headlines.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Bidens-Puppy-Breeder-Never-never-never-again.html?yhp=1

[Arugula Latte]

1. Too bad she was harassed, but I completely agree with the anti-breeder sentiment.

Thousands and thousands of animals suffering and dying in shelters, and these people are making MORE puppies and kitties. Shame on them!

[bluestateguy]

2. Bred dogs deserve loving homes too

Whiners.

[Arugula Latte]

3. The point is, there is a surplus of dogs and cats.

Why make more, when perfectly wonderful animals are suffering and waiting for homes?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. Spay and neuter your pets!

The majority of the animals that find their way to shelters are "mutts" who came into existence because the owners wouldn't get their animals fixed. Most breed associations have their own rescues for their breeds.

I have no problem with a person getting a purebred if they can afford it, especially if the dog is going to be a working dog. But they should be responsible about breeding, and should seriously consider spaying/neutering.

[Arugula Latte]

73. Yes, spay and neuter, definitely! But, a word about mutts:

I'd say the average mutt is heartier than the average "purebred." Purebreds get all sorts of genetic problems passed down (hip dysplasia in Labs, eye problems in Collies, heart problems in large dogs such as Newfoundlands, etc. etc.)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

95. The thing about purebreds is...

breeding for conformation often causes those problems. The working line versions of those dogs tend to be much healthier.

For example, AKC Border Collies are already showing up with genetic health problems and often end up in rescue because agility idiots are breeding the "off switch" out of them. Working line dogs are healthier and steadier.

[bbernardini]

4. Don't forget to check out the comments section for this story in my local paper...there's a Freeper!

Original article:

http://www.dailylocal.com/articles/2009/04/09/news/srv0000005068031.txt

Editorial letter:

http://www.dailylocal.com/articles/2009/04/10/opinion/srv0000005087624.txt

The local Freeper, Raoul Deming, somehow manages to connect this to the local Peace Movement. Actually, he manages to connect EVERYTHING to the local Peace Movement. As another commenter there suggested, I think he has a secret crush on the head of the Peace Movement.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. This is a shame

responsible breeders should be encouraged, not defiled. Responsible breeders love their animals, and love their breed--and usually belong to associations which have a rescue program for the abandoned dogs of their breed. My neighbors bred Great Pyrs for years until the unscrupulous puppy mills put them out of business. Too bad. Like most reputable breeders, they spayed/neutered all the dogs that weren't show quality. Right now they have their last two dogs--ones that weren't show quality and didn't sell. They have had them spayed and look after them as tenderly as if they were their children, which in a sense they are.

[KG]

7. dogs have to come from somewhere.

can't every dog be chosen from rescue or the pound.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. not if the dog is being used for a work purpose

herding animals, for example. Then it is better to go with a breed known for the qualities the person seeks. A rescue animal might be great, but since traits aren't bred true, it is more of a gamble to go with a rescue animal in this specific case.

[KG]

19. so, should there be no pure breeds except for working dogs?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

59. My opinion?

Dogs bred for a specific purpose should be used for that purpose. But you are entitled to your opinion as well.

[KG]

65. hadn't expressed an opinion. was curious about the nature of you're reply

there are lots of breeds out there the aren't working or really have purpose.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

25. Somebody breeding dogs for show aren't breeding them for herding ability

Pyrnees aren't "herding" dogs really. They're guardian dogs.

I have two working bred Border Collies (both rescues) and I would never own a conformation or sport bred Border Collie. I don't even consider them the same breed. An AKC Border Collie is entirely different than a real working Border Collie. It's disgusting how the AKC is dumbing down/ruining the breed.

[leftyladyfrommo]

47. That is definitely true.

AKC doesn't do much to help the situation. And they have done nothing to help with the puppy mill problems. Those dogs are all AKC registered. It's a huge, pathetic joke.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

57. OK, guardian dogs

All I know is my neighbors had a herd of sheep and trained the dogs they sold to look after them.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

24. Yeah, I have no problems with responsible breeders, but she's not one

She's a puppy mill.

And, I honestly think breeding Great Pyrnees for a craptacular reason. They should be bred for working ability and nothing else. Breeding for conformation wrecks breeds.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

54. The majority of animals my neighbors bred

were for working sheep and goats. They had a herd of sheep and trained the dogs.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

83. I have absolutely never heard of somebody successfully doing both

You either sacrifice conformation or working ability. And, the life of a guardian dog, does not lend themselves to the show ring.

Your neighbors must have miracle dogs.

[mix]

112. excellent points

there are responsible breeders, as you point out, and then there are puppy mills, big difference

[uppityperson]

116. Exactly. Responsible breeders should be encouraged, not harassed

Unlike puppy mills.

[LostinVA]

6. She's a puppy miller -- I wish she would get shut down

[leftyladyfrommo]

11. How do you know that?

That is a really serious charge. Can you back it up?

[LostinVA]

14. It's already been backed up -- it was all over the news and on here

Her"legit" kennel is a front for her puppy mill.

[leftyladyfrommo]

18. I'll Google it and see what I can find.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

39. Link:

http://abbyk9.blogspot.com/2008/12/breaking-news.html

Look at the numbers and lack of screening (very important in German Shepherds for health reasons). Couple that with being suspended from the AKC (nearly damn impossible to get suspended from), and you it can't be more blatantly a puppy mill.

[TorchTheWitch]

13. Where does it say she's a pupper miller?

All I see from the article is that she was a breeder.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

27. Yeah, that's because the article is neglecting to mention that she's a puppy miller

She's actually bad enough that the AKC suspended her. And, that piece of shit organization makes most of it's money off millers.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. since she's been inspected at least 4 times since December

and NO charges have stuck, I don't understand how your claim can be backed up. Do you have evidence of this? Please show us.

[LostinVA]

17. She's a puppy miller

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

62. All I know is what I read in the AP article at yahoo,

which I read before I came here. It stated that she had been inspected four times, and that she had been cleared each time. If there is a contention that she runs a puppy mill, my only question is why they didn't mention it in the article?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

23. Probably because she's friendly with the local sheriffs and PA is notorious for their puppy mills

Charges, unfortunately, rarely stick.

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. That makes no sense at all. PETA waas just caught euthanizing

96% of all the animals brought into their Norfolk facility. Out of about 2100 animals they found homes for 7.

[yewberry]

108. Share your source, please.

Peta was not "caught" doing any such thing.

There was a recent press release by a corporate lobbyist front group that mischaracterized peta and cooked some numbers; maybe that's what you're thinking of.

CCF is a group that is paid to lie about peta.

[northernlights]

9. actually there was a DUer who claimed

that Linda Brown is actually running a puppy mill that sells hundreds of puppies per year, separate from her "front" operation. I seem to remember she also claimed that Brown had been sanctioned or something by the AKC, maybe under a different name. It was pretty "out there" although at one point I think she provided a link to something that was supposed to be evidence.

Sorry, I don't remember the particulars...

[monmouth]

16. Ah, the Biden's can purchase from whom ever and where ever they choose. What the

hell are people minding other peoples business for. They need to get a life and let people live theirs...

[leftyladyfrommo]

21. True. But no one should buy from a puppy mill.

I just can't imagine they would ever do that if they had any idea that was what the breeder was.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

29. Yeah, but nobody should buy a dog from a puppy mill ever

People should work to get them taken down and the dogs rescued.

[malaise]

32. No wonder the Obamas haven't

got their puppy yet. Good fugging grief.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

44. It's pretty easy to get a dog from a legitimate source

Too bad Biden didn't.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

105. According to TMZ and other reports, they did get a puppy and its going to be with them

on Tuesday. A 6 month old Portuguese Water Dog, purchased from the same breeder in Texas whom Ted Kennedy got his from.
The dog was returned to the breeder by a previous owner.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12118392?source=rss

Obama's dog may debut Tuesday
The Denver Post
Posted: 04/10/2009 09:45:29 PM MDT
Updated: 04/10/2009 09:45:49 PM MDT

President Barack Obama's daughters are about to get their promised pup.

The entertainment website TMZ reports that Sasha and Malia Obama will be getting a Portuguese Water Dog from a kennel in Texas with connection to Sen. Ted Kennedy's family.

The website said the dog, named Charlie, will debut at the White House on Tuesday, though the president hinted that Monday's White House Easter Egg Roll might be the coming out party.

The black dog, a male, is approximately six months old, according to TMZ. "We've learned it was bred at the kennel and sold to someone who gave it back. The kennel is now 're-homing' the dog to the Obamas. The dog was named Charlie, but the Obamas will rename it," the website writes.

TMZ reports that the kennel has sold the Kennedys three Portuguese Water Dogs in the past, all from the same lineage. "The dog the Obamas will be getting is from the same lineage as the Kennedy dogs," according to TMZ.

Continued at the above link

:hi:

[OwnedByFerrets]

91. Yes he fucking can, but that doesn't make it fucking right.

Have you ever seen one of those shit houses?? Have you seen the conditions they are made to live in?? How would you like to live your entire life in a 2ft by 2ft wire cage laying in your own shit?? Is that the kind of organization our vice president should be supporting? And YES, its my fucking business when animals are mistreated. I own 6 rescues and I know what kind of shitholes they came from. Biden should be fucking ashamed and YOU should be for not caring. Not that its any of my business.:sarcasm:
Go here and look if you have the fucking guts and you will see WHY I care.

http://www.smallpawsrescue.org/

[monmouth]

97. You obviously need a nap. Over the top reaction.....n/t

[OwnedByFerrets]

102. You obviously EITHER didnt go to the site

and see what they do to these dogs, OR you have no fucking heart. And I don't need a heartless $@%# giving me advice.

[monmouth]

113. Hahaha.... I don't give advice, and if I did I wouldn't waste my time on drama queens...

[OwnedByFerrets]

115. SO? Telling me I need a nap wasnt advice huh? Sure seemed

like advice. Never mind. Conversation over. I will just ignore from now on.

[northernlights]

99. when breeders choose to gift Presidents or VPs

to promote and advertise their business, then they can expect to take the heat. They chose to put themselves in the spotlight. They could just as easily have kept the gift anonymous -- rich and famous people are *always* able to keep things anonymous.

And when the Presidents or VPs announce they've gotten a puppy and pose for pictures, then they have to take the heat as well. The Bidens listened and said they were also getting a second dog from a shelter. They have had both show quality dogs from breeders and shelter dogs and cats in the past.

[and-justice-for-all]

20. that is terrible that they harass this poor women....

ridiculous.

Yes adopt a shelter animal or take in a feral cat as I have done(all mine came from the street), but is it necessary to harass her like she is some sort of criminal? I am sure Biden has enough room at his home for a shelter dog as well.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

31. She IS a criminal

She should be in jail.

[and-justice-for-all]

53. Breeders are criminals now? since when??

i do not think breeding a pure breed dogs is a crime.

[Runcible Spoon]

80. Read the puppy milling links. eom.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

84. Neither do I

However, puppy millers are criminals.

[and-justice-for-all]

55. Breeders are criminals now? since when??

i do not think breeding a pure breed dogs is a crime.

[MissMarple]

111. You obviously don't like her, but apparently she hasn't been convicted. And as for Biden...

People who are unaware of puppy mills are not bad people. I didn't know until just recently how bad the mill problem is, that it even happens. It's sick. But it isn't exactly common knowledge, yet. There is a group in Denver that is working on shutting down the outlets that sell mill dogs. They have actually shut down one. Missouri has been decribed as a haven for puppy mills. And they are starting to go after them. People are ferrying these dogs all across the midwest to shelters and foster homes. A woman fro Alamosa, Colorado actually called the state's new pet division for help in placing her dogs when she shut down her breeding operation. Was it a mill? I don't know, it wasn't described as such.

And there is value in having pure bred dogs, as one poster above seems not to think. Making our leaders responsible for addressing every problem this country and the world at large has,...it's just crazy making.

[northernlights]

98. Biden said they were getting a shelter dog too

After the uproar, he said they always get 2 dogs so they'll have company (makes sense with working family). His dog was the shephard. Jill's would be from a shelter. He used to show dogs and it sounded like he wants to do that again.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

22. She's not a breeder, she's a puppy miller

HUGE difference.

[leftyladyfrommo]

33. Doesn't sound like a puppy mill.

She's definitely a commercial breeder. But there is a world of difference between the two.

The Amish have puppy mills. 500 dogs in cages in a building the size of a three car garage. Dogs that have never put their feet on the ground. Kept in cages so small that they can't stand up.

Doesn't sound like her dogs were mistreated at all.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

48. She's a puppy miller

Not getting the dogs screened (incredibly fucking irresponsible), being suspended from the AKC (you have to be really bad for that), etc.

And commercial breeders CAN NOT properly socialize their dogs/puppies. That IS being mistreated, and leads to dogs with behavioral problems (not something you want in a German Shepherd).

[WindRiverMan]

35. And what constitutes a puppy mill? the number of puppies?

A good friend of mine has 60,000 acres in South Dakota and a hunting lodge. She has a kennel with twelve dogs. She has a pro trainer from Germany on staff full time. Dogs are roaded and trained daily. She puts about six litters on the ground every year. Her brood bitches are all guide/hunting dogs. All dogs are tested and hunted for a few years before being bred. She only keeps the best and sells dogs not up to her standards on ability to other hunters. She once flew a veterinary surgeon in from New York to fix a heart problem on one of her males. Her litters are all typically sold out before the pups are even whelped. Reservations for a pup now go back about eighteen months. The dogs she breeds are top notch and most go to good homes, although she is the first to admit that sometimes a bad owner/dog relationship happens.

Due to have about fifty pups a year, I am sure some here would label her a "puppy mill".

[leftyladyfrommo]

45. I don't think so.

Its not just about how many dogs are there or how many pups. Its about abhorrent conditions. Pups sold at 6 weeks old to pet stores. Not caring about the dogs at all - just the money.

I just read where this woman had 84 dogs and sold 197 in one year, I think. That is a big operation. But they said a lot of dogs had schutzhund titles (those are hard to come by).

[WindRiverMan]

52. All of my dogs are German imports and under the German registry

they are all tested to level III (VGP) in the German testing system. Not schutzhund, but the hunting dog equivalent. A puppy title is not all that hard to get. Getting to level II or level III, that takes some time. Also, if the dogs are under German registries, please note that a breed warden will come out and inspect the puppies, the bitch, the facilities, etc. Anything not up to par, the litter gets no registration.

As for 197 pups in one year, assuming each litter had ten pups, that was twenty litters. A lot, yeah, but if that is her full time business, not unthinkable. I am sure she had some help.

I really do not know if she was a puppy miller or not, but I find the DU "The only dogs people should have are shelter dogs" viewpoint a bit rough.

[leftyladyfrommo]

61. Its a little extreme. Some people don't believe even in having breeds.

And are against all breeding of purebred dogs.

Personally I would hate to lose the breeds.

The problem is not that there are breeds but that we currently produce about 1 million more dogs than the market can handle - or something like that. I don't know the figures but its a lot of dogs that are destroyed every year. And it is awful.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

89. I don't believe in breeding for conformation

Only purpose.

And, I think people should generally look to rescue before buying a dog. I have two purebred Border Collies that are rescues, and one is from TOP herding lines.

[WindRiverMan]

109. Well, there needs to be a balance

A roached backed dog with an overshot bite is going to be a poor addition to an upland hunt, and a weak coated dog will suffer terribly making retrieves in cold water. We ran 1000 mother cows when I was a kind and always had a border collie. We never could have two though or they would get together and go work cattle all night long. As my grandfather said "I spent all day putting the weight on the steers, then these two boneheads spent all night running it off of them" What the AKC has done to the border collie is deplorable.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

85. And German Shepherd rarely have 10 pups

Average is 6-8.

You follow the German testing system. You know how tough that is. You know how lax the AKC is with their standards. She's been suspended from the AKC.

I'm not against breeders. I'm against puppy mills and irresponsible breeding.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. The people complaining about this woman aren't animal lovers, they're puppy millers.

I won't back that up with any evidence.

But they're still puppy millers.

[petronius]

77. You're a puppy miller. (nt)

[cherish44]

28. I love animals, I'm a vegetarian, I don't wear fur or leather

but PETA can suck me. They use terroristic, harassing, highly incindiary tactics and it succeeds more in pissing people than it does helping animals

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

30. Umm...and this has to do with the article, how?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Seems related to me.

Mentally fucked faux animal lovers harassing decent people to stroke their own egos.

:shrug:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

36. Decent people don't run puppy mills

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Decent people don't make phony allegations of puppy milling.

:shrug:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

42. Here's the numbers:

http://abbyk9.blogspot.com/2008/12/breaking-news.html

It's a puppy mill. You can't argue with that article.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Here's the actual inspection file.

http://www.bidendog.com/LindaBrownReport.pdf

Warned to mend some fencing. Some cobwebs in the barn. An ammonia smell during the winter. Minor issues with record keeping which were apparently resolved within 48 hours.

Why that's practically a nazi concentration camp there, Pamela Anderson.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

50. Friends with the local sheriffs

It takes A LOT to get suspended from the AKC, which she is.

No real socialization with operations that big. Bad idea with a potentially dangerous breed, and no OFA/CFA screening, which results in crippled dogs (when it comes to German Shepherds).

She needs to be shut down, and if the US had the same standards western Europe did about breeding, she would be.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

51. Ah, a conspiracy theory.

Maybe she uses black helicopters in whisper mode whenever the real inspectors show up.

[WindRiverMan]

58. NO it is not at all. You see, the AKC

is all about money and show dogs. It is quite easy to bruise their fragile little egos. They are all about money, looks, and reputation. They have no breeding restrictions on health, working ability, etc...just on stuff like markings and color. They are a registry run by rich white wives of powerful men, and it is not all that hard to ruffle their feathers. I know at least two excellent trainers and breeders who managed to get AKC REALLY pissed off.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

87. Yeah, but were they forging registry papers?

I'd love to know how the two excellent breeders and trainers you know managed to get suspended (or really piss off) the AKC.

[WindRiverMan]

100. It's really pretty simple.

Run a FCI-registered dog in an AKC event. They give you a "number" temporarily, and ask you to promise to cross-register your dog. Since the German breed club will not allow us to cross-register our dogs (and we don't want to anyway), do it long enough and the AKC will send you a nasty gram. It really does not matter because no one has AKC registered dogs anyway, nor do they care. Still, pissing off the AKC is not all that hard.

And forging resitry papers in no way equates to a poor puppy miller, it equates to an unscrupulous doggy game player in my opinion. There is a rather famous Field Trial english pointer kennel which lost its AKC rights, not because of his animal husbandry, but because he forged the papers so he could run a two year old dog as a derby prospect (puppy stakes). I suggest you look at some field trial German Shorthair pointers or German Wirehaired pointers then compare them to the their Deutsch Kurzhaar and Deutsch Drahthaar counterparts. These dogs have had english pointer blood infused into their pedigree, it is very obvious. Dish-faced shorthairs and all white Wirehairs do not exist in their German-bred cousins.

[TorchTheWitch]

93. She's a bad commercial breeder, not a puppy miller

There actually are distinctions as to breeders and puppy millers that is lost on you. The article you cite even says she's a bad commercial breeder...

"1) I am absolutely not against purchasing dogs from breeders, as long as they are reputable breeders. For an explanation of what constitutes a reputable breeder, and what the terms reputable breeder, hobby breeder, commercial breeder, and backyard breeder mean, please see this article on Where to Get a Dog."

A puppy mill is a commercial enterprise that doesn't breed dogs at all much less those of a particular breed but acquires all sorts of breeds of pups from bad breeders to sell. This woman was a large commercial breeder of German Shepherds. Where I agree that she is a BAD breeder to be avoided for all the reasons cited, she is NOT a puppy miller.

People need to understand the differences in terms so they don't get hoodwinked into buying from a bad breeder just because they are a breeder rather than a pet store or puppy mill. Calling this woman a puppy miller (which she is not) rather than a bad commercial breeder (which she is) doesn't help people to understand that just because one is breeder rather than a puppy miller doesn't mean that they are a reputable breeder. I'm sure the Biden's made just this mistake... they thought because they bought from a breeder rather than from a pet store or puppy mill that they would be getting a well bred healthy dog.

Call the woman what she is - a bad commercial breeder.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

94. I have honestly never heard the breed distinction before

To me, it sounds like an easy way to dismiss a puppy mill for specializing.

The woman is a puppy miller. Just because she only breeds one breed of dog doesn't make her any different.

[leftyladyfrommo]

37. PETA us all about ego. Not about animal welfare.

Its just a big power trip for some not very bright people. Look at me, I have a microphone.

People who really care about animals don't treat them the way those yahoos do.

[CBR]

40. Yeah when they pulled out the KKK stuff at the AKC show...

that was nuts and completely inappropriate.

[Bluebear]

46. 'PETA can suck me' - how can you argue with such a scholarly argument?

[cherish44]

72. Puppy mills do suck but to villanize peopel who buy from legitmate breeders is absurd

People may have their own reasons for wanting a specific breed, be it the temperment, the size, allergies, or whatever. If you luck out and find a dog that suits your household at a shelter then good for you. I've been on the waiting list for a specific breed at about 20 shelters for over a year. I need a small, allergy-friendly, nonshedding dog because I have a very small house and a child with allergies. I'd love to adopt a larger dog or a mutt but it's not practical. Believe me when I visit shelters I want to take them ALL home with me. The nearest breed rescue is 200 miles away and they refuse to let me adopt a dog because I live too far away. (and I had offered to have the vet send them a letter letting them know I had the dog fixed and offered to send them pictures and videos of my home and keep give them "updates" on the dog). A breeder might be the way I go because I'm a little tired of the run around I'm getting. Of course I'll only buy a dog from a place that will let me visit their house or facility and hopefully will take interest in who they adopt their dogs out to. But I'm not a BAD person because I'll get a dog from a breeder. I have every right to share my home with any dog I choose.

[pleah]

41. Jesus H. Christ! This is beyond stupid.

Do you people really think that the VP would go to a puppy mill to buy a dog? What the hell!

Peta goes off the deep end sometimes. Doesn't mean you have to jump on board before they hit bottom.


:eyes:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

43. Yeah, he did go to a puppy mill to buy a dog

Granted, the miller runs a "legitimate" front to her puppy mill.

http://abbyk9.blogspot.com/2008/12/breaking-news.html

[leftchick]

66. how the fuck would he know?

are you even aware how they hide their filthy operations? Apparently not.

[KG]

68. in the case of this breeder, she isn't hiding anything. she has a license (K5) for her 'puppy mill'

[leftchick]

69. he should have done a rescue

god knows there are plenty of them.

[pleah]

90. For the record, I got my dog at the Humane Society. n/t

[LostinVA]

67. No, it isn't -- it was discussed months ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4658360#4662587

[flvegan]

56. They deserve it.

Fuck commercial dog breeders. They're all puppy mills.

As usual, I notice that even this thread turns into a "fuck PETA" ignorance fest. Could set my watch by it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

60. Ah, now we get to the real nitty gritty.

"Fuck commercial dog breeders. They're all puppy mills."

Case closed. You lose.

[flvegan]

63. You'd like to think so.

And as usual, you'd be incorrect.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

64. Says the guy making false allegations of puppy milling.

Way to pretend to care about animals there, buddy.

[flvegan]

70. See, normally

this is where I'd suggest you look up what a commercial breeding operation is and blah, blah, blah. But I'm not, and I mentioned to you specifically before why. I hope you can remember, as I don't like to repeat myself.

You have a good evening.

[uppityperson]

117. No one should deliberately breed dogs and sell them?

Do you seriously believe there are no responsible dog breeders? Or are you saying that no one should deliberately breed dogs?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

71. I will always get my pets from rescue. I encourage everyone to get pets from shelters, rescue, or..

people advertising free pets.

Free pets are often taken by sadistic bastards who practice for medical school (sound familiar? a Republican from TN) or wealthy sports stars for their barbaric dog fights.



I personally go for a rescue dog that I have to pay for (I'm working and single, so I can afford the one time payment of $100 or less). I want to support operations that save abandoned dogs.

For those who can't even afford the one time payment (usually $100 or less)... please rescue a dog or cat from someone giving them away.


I still love Joe (duh, he's lovable), and it's his business, but I wish he would have kept it secret if he didn't rescue.

[Runcible Spoon]

74. Puppy millers should be outlawed and have their breeding stock spayed/neutered.

People who wish to breed "purebreds" should be licensed and have their breeding records scrutinized for inbreeding and breeding bad lines/genetic disorders.

Above all, people should STOP BUYING PUREBREDS. I stop short of advocating outlawing breeding but it should be highly restricted, expensive, and restricted as a hobby like antique car restoration or model airplanes.There is really no justifiable reason to have purebred dogs beyond shallow, selfish elitism. They are more often than not plagued with health problems that are perpetuated by inbreeding and breeding of substandard animals, not to mention the emphasis on aesthetic style over substance which has been the downfall of many once noble breeds. Don't even get me started on what America has done to the German Shepherd. It's just sad.

Adopt one of the million unwanted shelter animals! If you insist on a purebred, take the time to adopt from a rescue! Every animal bought means a shelter animal somewhere must die!

Signed,

Runcible Spoon and Leeloo

[CBR]

76. I love my purebred boxer and you can pry him from my cold dead

hands. This thread is really nuts. Really, really nuts...

[Runcible Spoon]

78. I'm sure your dog is wonderful.

Doesn't change any of the facts in this thread. It also doesn't change the fact that my neighbor's puppy mill boxer dropped dead from heart failure. He was a wonderful dog, too and didn't deserve to have his life cut short because he was overbred.

[CBR]

81. The lecturing is insufferable. Reputable breeders exist...

I do not dispute the horrible nature of puppy mills; however, advocating against purebreds is just nuts. I love mutts too but plenty of them also drop dead.

[Runcible Spoon]

82. That's your opinion and you're free to think that.

As I said, doesn't change the fact that every puppy bought is a shelter puppy that is denied a home. Mutts are certainly prone to health disorders too but the fact is that restricting genetic diversity means that it is harder to "breed out" inherited disorders and as such many breeds suffer from artificially high levels of genetically linked problems. All too often, puppies destined for the shelter do not receive adequate veterinary attention or are deprived of colostrum, which means many of the weakest die, leaving the strongest alive.

I'm sorry if it comes off as strident, but I am sharing information on a topic that I am passionate about. I don't think being educated and aware means I am "nuts". Otherwise intelligent and compassionate people choose to keep their heads in the sand about all sorts of things, from war casualties to factory farms. Once in a while it's good to get startled out of one's comfort zone.

[Riley18]

75. Must be republicans sending the inspectors. No wonder the Obama's are

being so secretive. Americans are free to buy or sell any dog they want. I have bought a dog and adopted dogs, but each time it was my free choice. I like it that way.

[Runcible Spoon]

79. Free choice only works when people are responsible.

I think it's sick you talk about dogs like they're commodities. That's the whole cusp of the problem with purebreds.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

88. Yep, I have purebreds and I don't consider them a commodity

They're my dogs, and they were rescues.

My mom has a purebred German Shepherd. She got her from a real Schutzhund breeder, not a puppy miller like this asshat. And, the breeder got their dogs from Germany, and send them back to Germany to be bred. You know why? Because America has destroyed the German Shepherd Dog.

[ccharles000]

86. More people might join PETA if they were not assholes

[OwnedByFerrets]

92. GO to this link if you want to see what happens at puppy mills...

http://www.smallpawsrescue.org/

Then tell me its ok for them to exist.:mad:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

96. Why are you spreading these lies?

:sarcasm:

The puppy mill apologists are disgusting.

[OwnedByFerrets]

101. Wink, wink

Yes, they are.

[Canuckistanian]

103. ?? Don't understand your post

The website looks legit to me. They even feature dogs that were "rescued from puppy mills".

What lies are you implying that the poster is spreading?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

104. I was being sarcastic

[Canuckistanian]

107. er, Oh.

Zoom! Right over my head.

[northernlights]

106. she chose the spotlight over anonymity

She has at best a spotty history as a breeder.

She could have remained anonymous, but tried to use the purchase to boost her business.

Now she can deal with the results. She gets zero sympathy from me, and apparently others. :nopity:

[leftchick]

110. there are plenty of german shepherd rescues around

I agree he should not have bought from a breeder, they are part of the problem.

http://www.gsdrescue.org/

[BlooInBloo]

114. What a bunch of fuckers. PETA kills like 95% of it's shelter animals.