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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:09 AM
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Is there a way within the law to compel the Obama Administration to act on Torture?
Can the Obama Administration, or let us say Eric Holder specifically, be sued to compel him to do his job and take action against those who have tortured?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:11 AM
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1. Not if he continues to assert State Secrets and Immunity to prevent a lawsuit from going forward.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:18 AM
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6. By Geneva Accord torture is an International Crime and the one and ONLY body
that has been determined by all signatories of those Accords to investigate and make any determinations of whether there has been torture is the International Red Cross. They have The Final Word. The Red Cross has investigated and has made a determination. They have stated in no uncertain terms that torture occurred. Every signatory of those Accords is Obligated by their very signature to investigate and prosecute those claims. Obligated by International Law State secrets do not apply to this..
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:33 AM
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12. Obligated by International Law
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:12 AM
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2. We need to continue to put the pressure on anyway possible.
LTTE etc.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:34 AM
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13. Indeed. There is a virtual MSM News Blackout on Torture
Here is the media response to the Torture Report:

CIA Has 3,000 Docs on Torture Tapes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5303329

Slowly, more voices are awakening, albeit slowly.
This is such an atrocity, it will not just go away!

Obama either acts or he will OWN the crime himself!!!!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:13 AM
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3. I think you can file a civil suit and maybe even a class action suit
If you can get a buch of people to go along and split the costs. It is an absolte shame that the people would have to even think of such a thing to get our Government to follow our Constitution. International treaties are the "Supreme Law of the Land" according to our Constitution and they need to be followed.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:36 AM
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15. No.
You won't be able to show standing. Courts have tossed dozens of similar suits.

Case or controversy Clause.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:14 AM
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4. impeach them!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:15 AM
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5. If 1% of the American people...
contacted their representatives and demanded investigations it might happen. But that's just silly thinking. The government is currently being sued by detainee's. Sooner or later there will have to be some compensatory settlement.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:19 AM
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7. Yes. Bombard whitehouse.gov with emails.
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 10:21 AM by liberalmuse
This is unacceptable. We've heard nothing to counter this in over a week, and now there's the NY Times story. I'm so fucking disappointed right now. There is absolutely no justification for this. None.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:23 AM
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8. "Spare change you can believe in..."
n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:30 AM
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9. Is there a way within the law the Obama Administration CANNOT act on Torture?
Wait and watch! There is only one thing they can do.

This story is only just breaking.
The Obama DoJ has known of the case since day one!
They have to get it right the first time, since the ex-President and Vice-President, AG, et alia are going to be charged.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:35 AM
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14. There is only one thing they can do.
and they BETTER do it before some other country does, Spain?
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:31 AM
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10. No. n/t
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:33 AM
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11. Impeachment...
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 10:49 AM by Davis_X_Machina
...on the basis of the "faithfully execute" clause in the Oath.

In the strict sense of 'within the law', and 'compel', that's it...

What can be done politically is another issue.

Law <> politics.
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