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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:06 PM
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Mr. President, I'm Going to a Protest in St. Paul.
Today, I go to a protest rally. This will be my 2nd ever. The first being that day, unprecedented in history, when the world's first global protest came together to give George Bush the simple message: Attacking Iraq will make everything worse.

That's the level of threat that is required to get me, a timid, overworked, overwhelmed, aging blue-collar worker out into the streets. Protesting is a young person's realm. Not a place for a 50-something man, riddled with work injuries and chronic illness. Nor is it at all clear how the company I work for might react should I be seen protesting in the streets.

Anyone working for one of these large multi-national companies knows what I mean.
These huge behemoths operate with such impunity! They are virtually un-regulated. Supra-governmental. They dismiss millions of workers and their families into utter darkness with a single conference call. Those left behind do the work of 2 (or 3!) under relentless computer-monitoring and demands of 100% accuracy 100% of the time ("you've got 46.7 seconds for each customer - and they must leave completely satisfied. You spent 48.4 seconds on a customer last week and another complained that your smile seemed insincere. One more of these violations and we will have to put you into Performance Enhancement Mode").

And when we manage to do the work of 2 people, day after day, with 100% accuracy, at the expense of family, health and more, we are rewarded with a cut in our pay and hours. Starting and quitting times are dictated based on the amount the company feels like paying that day. Break times become "flexible" and unlimited - if no customers are present at the drive-thru, neither is your pay. Effectively converting hourly wages into piece work. Benefits wither. Health care is removed in stages by ever-increasing co-payments. Retirement benefits...... just a thing of the past now.

Mr. Obama, we are so proud to have you representing America to the world. You have done much that is breathtakingly positive. But appreciating these positive accomplishments is rapidly becoming a luxury. It is just too hard to watch so many families I know disappear under the economic steamroller. It occupies my mind entirely. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs comes home with a vengeance.

I can't do it, sir. I have tried for months to be patient and see trillions of dollars heaped onto the very people and institutions who caused this economic mess. I have watched one too many executives feel bitterly betrayed because they were asked to do with one less corporate jet or give up the oshibori towels in the men's room.

I can't watch anymore as those like me, the blue-collar workers of this land, are treated with such harshness and contempt. I refuse to be told anymore that national salvation is just one more wage-concession away. Sir, for those like me, the wage concessions began 28 years ago! In the 90's, as the wealthy partied on every magazine cover in the grocery store, our wages slid backwards! We have now lost something approaching 50% of our buying power right through the boom-boom years.

Maybe, Sir. Just maybe that has something to do with America's current predicament. In every gloss of economic theory I was ever presented with in high school, one basic idea was always present: that only money in circulation, through the most hands possible, does an economy any good. Vast amounts parked off-shore do nothing. Vast amounts passing between only a few, select hands is also stagnation. Economies are like car engines - they only work when mysterious balances of air-to-fuel, heat-to-cooling, combustion-to-inertia are reached.

Economies are not bon-fires.... or churches. They are engines that can fly apart as well as stall out if those mysterious balances are not reached. The economic enthusiasms of the past 28 years were simply wrong. Wrong on their face. Which a side-lined group as diverse as the goofy Ross Perot to the sober academics Bluestone and Harrison (The Great U-Turn) tried to tell us. And yet, these fringe-group economic theologies were implemented! Massively!( Which should remind you of a certain war and an earlier protest I mentioned above.)

The engine blew apart as it had to. And fixing it requires ONLY that we RETURN to the regulatory environment we had before. The ones in place during America's greatest years. Back to the 50's!
I emphasize ONLY and RETURN not for your benefit but for the edification of the Cable TV harpies who try to cast a mere return to what we had as Socialism. Backing away from radicalism - the cult-like radicalism of the Free Marketeers - is not Socialism, it is America recovering from an injury done to it.

So, Mr. President, I protest today. I protest in hope of saving myself, my family and friends' families suffering worse than mine. But even more than that, sir, I will be out in the street trying to speak directly to you. To have a say in this country's affairs that an army of advisors surrounding you would never allow me to have. I want to give you courage. I want you to know that many millions are down here with me, never appearing on TV, never invited to policy forums. Let us appear! We wait to buoy you up on one of the greatest surges of support an American President has ever experienced.

Help those who were calculated right out of the policies of the past 28 years. Return to the policies that helped complete Nobodies like me get ahead a little each year - that helped us SPEND a little each year and spurred us on to design, innovate and manufacture for each other. Do that and watch America's engine fire up on all cylinders!

See you in St. Paul!

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:18 PM
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1. .
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:22 PM
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2. xposted to Minn. group.
Gosh, I'm late! Turn out to the New Way Forward rallies in your area!
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 04:59 PM
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3. Back from the rally.
Small but more "1st timers" were there than just me. The discussion was quite good among our little group and I picked up a couple of ideas that I will use immediately.

1) is to start an email contact group of other people like me that just usually "don't do that kind of thing" and keep them posted on what I do..... to encourage them.

2) Make new connections with new people that aren't senators or congressmen. more on that some other time.

Thanks for being there you guys!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 05:00 PM
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4. !
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 05:28 PM
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5. very well done n/t
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 05:30 PM
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6. Amen.
Those are the only two times I have turned out, as well. Ours was small but got some attention, and we are talking about doing another one.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:00 AM
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27. Thanks for going!
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 10:03 AM by FredStembottom
In hindsight, this New Way Forward idea may be a confusing thing to promote.

It seemed that everyone at our rally felt the same way: Mr. Obama, you gave us hope - now give us help.

That's pretty nuanced for a rally! "We love you but we think you're wrong".....most rallies have messages more like "(X) sucks". And that's it. People seem to stream into the streets better for something like that. :shrug:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:07 PM
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45. It seems like our ideas are always more complicated than the R's.
Probably because they're better.... ;)
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 06:02 PM
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7. I was at this same protest.
It was a small turnout, but we had a good discussion. I go to a lot of protests, and I did not see a single face that I recognized at this one which makes me wonder where our regular crowd was but it was good to see people who probably don't get out to these things very often show up.

Thanks for showing up.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 06:08 PM
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8. Well said. K&R
Thank you.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 09:48 PM
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9. Your post leaves me wondering this:
If a "timid, overworked, overwhelmed, aging blue-collar worker" who is "riddled with work injuries and chronic illness," can understand how very stupid pointless and perhaps criminal Obama's economic policies are, then why can't he? Wasn't Obama a community organizer not so long ago?

Anyway thank you for your protest.

K & R for the topic.


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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:10 PM
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11. if I may offer.......
one answer is age. (The main one is O is in the President's Club now) Obama is on the Gen X side of the tail of the Baby Boom. The demarcation gets moved around a lot but the change in perspective was sudden.

Between those who lived and breathed the progress and passions of the era and those who were tuned out as too young to get it, who segued right into Reaganism.........

Obama is old enough to know better but has postured himself on the "look forward, not back" and praising Reagan's "trajectory" side of the fence.




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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:27 PM
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14. I think he has been snowed to a certain extent..
He probably has been (purposely) overwhelmed by the D.C. establishment to take advantage of his relative inexperience in Washington.

This is certainly what happened to Jimmy Carter IMO.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:54 AM
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40. Univ. of Chicago seems to have influenced his thinking far too much.
I first got a whiff of what was to come was when I googled his adviser Austan Goolsbee during that flap with Canada over some of Obama's campaign NAFTA comments.

What I learned is that Goolsbee was a globalist free trade Milton Friedman type from U. Chicago, one of the most conservative economic and business schools in the country. That must have been a year ago, at least.

Obama's resume does suggest that he is incredibly smart, but I have yet to see any glimmer of intellectual curiosity in any of his comments or acts with regard to economics. He and his advisers just parrot the Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush party line. Clearly, that doesn't take a lot of thought.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:30 PM
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46. Thank you for your post. It helps me understand a lot.
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 04:31 PM by truedelphi
Often it seems to me that the very people that are motivated to do the whole Masters, or PHD or Law School thing, are the very people that do not often question. Almost like curiosity is somehow drained out of a person as part of the educational process.

The sort of person who is a true questioner often cannot get through those types of programs.

When I have interviewed people who run entire departments of government, and ask them the "How" or "Why" questions, there is often this deafening moment of silence. The "What" questions are easily answered as in, "This department was set up to do this" -- yes, that question gets answered easily. But the "How's" and "Why's" they don't think about.

On the other hand, Greg Palast was a graduate of The University of Chicago - he got a Master's Degree in economics (of all things). And he is one very adept questioner. So I guess it can be done.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 05:04 PM
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47. As a survivor of law school, I think that getting through the program is possible
for someone who thinks for him or her self.

The problem I see is what happens to people as they advance in their careers.

One of the best ways to climb the ladder is to internalize the party line. Many people seem to be able to do that no matter what their beliefs were before their career, and what their beliefs may be once they retire.

Obama is by all accounts a very ambitious person. Maybe he has found internalization easier when it suits his goals.

I think that Clinton was and is the same way.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:23 PM
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49. Great subthread ()hi truedelphi!) amandabeech love the snark in #40
"Clearly, that doesn't take a lot of thought." :spray:


jumping in here due to this:

"Obama is by all accounts a very ambitious person. Maybe he has found internalization easier when it suits his goals. I think that Clinton was and is the same way."

This is why, when folks were fightin over "Woman" "Black Man" during the campaign, I was seein '"Player" and "Player."

Obama left a little more space for people to project more hope and change onto him -- I didn't see it coming through his actions or statements.

Here we are with continuing status quo lineage you described in #40. It may be more comfortable in some ways and Obama may find ways to make it so.

The failure to assess, investigate and actually address the mercenary marketing schemes that collapsed the economy; and the continuation of the plan to put more and more of those same players in charge of continuing the same game with more power, is a real problem.

When informative economics threads came in the past few weeks and some are thinking, what can we do? the April 11 actions were announced. And the announcement threads here fell fast.

I was at the point of accepting that this is DU and not DO and even posted to that effect. One last wonderment, "Why not?"

And then FredStenbottoms OP appeared. Whaddya know, the populist spirit and voice and embodiment of our principles IS alive and well on DU.

What I love most is the VOICE. I want to hear more of them. I want to hear at DU from the people who read and lurk and maybe post, who don't think they are "eloquent" or confident in telling us what they think; who don't want to deal with the bullies and gatekeepers and unwelcome trollblemakers....

If we are as diverse and inclusive as we think we are, we can hear from voices that express what we have in common, cut to the quick, even express action (!!) and are not Echo Chamber or Battle Ground but Populist Instrument resonating with the truth that affects all of us.

One reason I have been neutral about Barrack Obama (which prevents major disappointments, btw) is that he is old enough to remember when we as a nation were (or pretended to be) All In This Together and made his national debut at the Dem Convention reminding a Reaganism-Befuddled audience We're All In This Together..... not a big deal, except to those who forgot, who got caught up in mercenary times.

And Obama wants to look forward, not back, to draw upon the past when the imagery or rhetoric is useful -- but not really draw us back to when and how and why we felt "We're All In This Together" was in the air and young folks and kids around Fred Stembottom's age absorbed it with every breath.

It seems that Fred got hit with the "If you ain't part of the solution, you part of the problem" stick.

And he went to a public event to meet others and make a democratic statement (just by showing up) about the financial/governmental/complex precipice that we are scrabbling on, trying to get a grip, trying to get attention from our Congress and our President.

And he restored my faith in the potential and the resonant common voice at the heart of the diverse community that makes up Democratic Underground.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:35 AM
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52. ,
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:01 PM
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53. I loved Fred's OP.
It really was a moment when I felt that some of my faith might be restored.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:40 PM
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54. me too!
:thumbsup:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:04 PM
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10. Unbelievable. . . . . . . This will be at the TOP of the GREATEST page tomorrow
and this has completely restored my faith and reluctantly lowered expectations in DU.

:applause:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:12 PM
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12. K & R
a great post.

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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:17 PM
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13. K & R
Those who say wait seem to think we have the luxury of time. We most certainly do not.

Regards
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:40 PM
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15. That really is the crux of it.
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 10:42 PM by FredStembottom
It's starting to feel like individuals and families being picked off by snipers now.
One day they're here - the next they're in desperate trouble or actually packed up and gone.
"Sniper" is a loaded word. And it's an overstatement. But I am starting to see people thrown into despair so suddenly.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 11:00 PM
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17. hi Raineyb!! good to see you here on this amazing thread.
:hi:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:53 PM
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16. Rec'd! Excellent post! Thank you!
...only money in circulation, through the most hands possible, does an economy any good.


This needs to be repeated over and over and over and over...

People need jobs, not credit.

sw
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:33 AM
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18. Thank you. K&R
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:34 AM
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19. K&R
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:41 AM
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20. Excellent post.
K&R
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:46 AM
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21. Kicked.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:04 AM
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22. K/R
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:17 AM
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23. ,
:toast:
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:18 AM
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24. Thankyou
You are my hero today!
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:14 AM
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28. No no!
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 10:40 AM by FredStembottom
The big point I hope people take away from this post is that it is time for us all to do new, uncomfortable things and be our own heroes.

We all feel the confusion caused by raised hopes that are clearly sliding away. Mr. Obama needs you and me to back him up. He will need to take decisions soon that will leave him feeling utterly alone - if he really intends to save America. There is no escaping that.

You and me need to stand by him even if there are concrete barricades and a hundred corrupt advisors between us and him.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:38 AM
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25. Thank you. This is the reason this President is getting a lot of flack from everyone.
We were past needing help 2yrs ago.. Remember the 06 elections... that was about Americans begging for reform and change. President Obama could be a great President, unfortunately, his economic team is keeping him from the prize. He needs to help the many; not the few fat cats. If we wanted that, we could have elected McCain and his wet nurse.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:58 AM
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26. "from everyone" maybe on DU and Freeperville but in the country at large
the people like this president and if you can't see any difference with what Obama has done in three months with McCain/Palin would have done then I don't know what to say.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:16 AM
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29. You missed the point.
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 10:18 AM by FredStembottom
Read "glowings" post now sitting right above yours.

Glowing says it better than me:"Obama could be a great President, unfortunately, his economic team is keeping him from the prize".

(Thanks glowing!:hi:)
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:27 AM
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32. Sorry Wi_Dem, I'm a fool!
You were respoding to glowing - not me.
but.... read Glowing's post again anyway.
I doubt Glowing meant that there is "no difference".
What I am saying is that once the economic earthquake starts destroying your house, you become unable to even notice all the other things a President might be doing.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:34 AM
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33. I like this President just fine. However, I cannot continue on like I am
its already past funny having to work as much as I do just to survive; and now, everything is falling out like many of us predicted when the first installment of Bush occurred. Minor changes will not help. The left and the right are furious, and the people in the middle are scared shitless. This country needs to swing drastically away from failed hoover/boosh policies. At this point people need to be hired to dig one hole and fill it OR to move one piece of paper from one pile to the other. If we are smart, we can make use of people to move our country in a saner direction. Its insane to live the American Dream the way it is currently modeled. The illusion was an unsustainable and un-fulfilling life. How many people are treated for depression each year, how many are being treated for cancer each year from toxic overload, and how many aren't being treated at all because our health care for profits is a scam?

I'd love for him to be the most successful President, but that means thinking outside the box and dumping fat rich cats out on their asses.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:33 AM
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37. we can "see the difference" b/w blind allegiance over a cliff and participatory democracy
which is part of the point of preventing this president from overseeing and finalizing an economic plan that institutionalizes corporate power inside government.

If that happens, there is no participatory democracy.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:37 PM
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50. .
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:26 AM
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30. Wonderful heartwrenching post. K and R
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:26 AM
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31. Oh damn. You made me feel like the inadequate slacker THAT I AM!
I owe you a sincerely felt thank you for doing what we all should be doing.

Your way with words was wonderful.

Again, thank you.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:35 AM
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34. Strength through weakness!
That's what I am thinking these days.
:hi:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:48 AM
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35. K&R Well said. nt
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:30 AM
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36. To the TOP of Greatest, folks this is IMHO the message to send...............
:bounce:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:31 PM
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51. +
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:38 AM
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38. K&R
:applause:

" ... I can't do it, sir. I have tried for months to be patient and see trillions of dollars heaped onto the very people and institutions who caused this economic mess. I have watched one too many executives feel bitterly betrayed because they were asked to do with one less corporate jet or give up the oshibori towels in the men's room.

I can't watch anymore as those like me, the blue-collar workers of this land, are treated with such harshness and contempt. I refuse to be told anymore that national salvation is just one more wage-concession away. Sir, for those like me, the wage concessions began 28 years ago! In the 90's, as the wealthy partied on every magazine cover in the grocery store, our wages slid backwards! We have now lost something approaching 50% of our buying power right through the boom-boom years... "


PERFECTLY STATED. :patriot:
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:45 AM
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39. K&R n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:24 PM
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41. Kick, to late to rec.:(
Thank you.:hi: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:28 PM
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42. Too late to Rec, but Kicking
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:17 PM
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43. Too late to recommend. Never too late to KICK!
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:45 PM
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44. Thankyou FredStembottom, from one in your generation.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:53 PM
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