GLENN BECK Needs to be Taken off the Air

[bdamomma]

how can we get in touch with his advertisers and get this sick man off the air? He is inciting violence.

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904090036

[movonne]

1. I sure agree with you ....

[VeraAgnes]

6. he looks like a drunk

who is ready to drink

[ShortnFiery]

106. A Dry Drunk: The worst kind of deluded.

:crazy:

[Jack from Charlotte]

94. Don't blame the monkey. Blame the organ grinder.....

to coin a phrase. It's Fake News fault. To what depths does one of their idiots have to stoop to get thrown off?

None. There's nothing too foul or un American their idiots could do on the air to get axed.

[paparush]

2. He needs to be caged.

and by caged I mean deprived of oxygen until brain activity ceases.

[Ganja Ninja]

3. He's a ticking time bomb.

He's a train wreck waiting to happen. I'm almost tempted to tune in on 9/12 just to see if he goes off.

[JVS]

4. A train wreck waiting to happen? He's a train wreck that keeps happening every day.

[jschurchin]

5. As long as we have a Constitution

he is entitled to his First Amendment right to free speech.

And I am entitled to my right to ignore the bat shit crazy fuck.

If we are not intelligent enough to use the stupid shit he says against him and the rest of the far right nut jobs, whoa are we.

[YOY]

7. There is a point where Free Speach ends and shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater

becomes a crime.

[jschurchin]

11. I agree

But until evidence that a crime has been committed, I have some real difficulty removing 1st amendment rights. Censorship is a real evil and once you remove it from the cage..............nothing good will come from it.

How would you have felt if when numbnuts was President they removed Air America because it was inciting the "left"?

My opinion was/is the same. First amendment rights shall be un-infringed, unless as you say, a crime has been committed.

[YOY]

33. Numbnuts didn't need to remove Air America. It was already corporately marginalized.

Still is thanks to the corporate cluster fuck that is modern radio.

And crimes already have been committed spurned on by hate radio. (Right/left wing doesn't matter.)

[sledgehammer]

91. I agree with 1st Amendment protection

And while I don't agree with anything Beck says, he can continue to say it to the limit of his Constitutional rights. At the same time, anyone is free to use his/her free speech rights to take the show off the air. The 1st Amendment is a two-way street.

BTW, here's a case that has always intrigued me. It's when the Supreme Court actually decided that there are limits on free speech:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplinsky_v._New_Hampshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words_doctrine

Yes, it was a long time ago, but it is a standing Supreme Court ruling. I don't think it's perfectly applicable in today's world though, but it does allow for restrictions when something is said to specifically incite violence. This is a gray area though and can be interpreted in many ways (e.g. would publishing the infamous Danish cartoons in the US be subject to this, since it would very likely incite unrest?).

In any case, RW wing radio is not as effective as it used to be. The last election clearly showed its waning influence on politics. However, it still is effective to rile up some lunatics, in some cases to violent levels. And that definitely is scary.

[onenote]

36. yes, and beck and his ilk are nowhere near that point

the law is clear about that.

[rucky]

21. We are equally entitled to use free speech

to pressure advertisers and the network. That's using our intellect to use the stupid shit he says to get him fired.

[jschurchin]

24. Agreed.

[dem629]

55. Exactly. Great points.

He is as crazy as they come (well, maybe not as bad as Michael Savage) but that is good for us b/c he gives us all the material we need to use against him.

[KamaAina]

93. The First Amendment means he can't be arrested for being batshit crazy

it does NOT give Beckkk the constitutional right to an hour of prime time television.

[bdamomma]

8. found this list on Media Matters post of sponsors

let's fire off some letters, advertisers need to pull their ads from his show.

http://mediamatters.org/discuss/200904070009


scroll down to post by someone named Snoopy.

[elleng]

9. Heading for the road.

Glenn Beck, Fox News Channel's latest sensation, is taking a comedy show on the road for six live performances over six days during the first week of June.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1CAITaeNNbzJVY8Ugc1o8-jCHdwD97H5DQ00

[bdamomma]

13. maybe he needs some tomatoes to be thrown at him.

I believe in free speech but when a person starts to ignite violence that is going over the line.

[elleng]

17. Agreed, but don't waste good tomatoes on the sob;

find something else.

[Kalyke]

22. The rotten ones burst better - and they're inedible at that point -

so I suggest we use those. :)

[elleng]

30. OK,

as you say.

[Canuckistanian]

28. I love a good circus

But this is a very, very bad circus.

[ima_sinnic]

10. the only problem is that another will immediately fill the "void" if he's kicked off

you might remember that he has risen to his current state of "popularity" only very recently. Before this, he was kind of obscure, got a slot on CNN, and now has suddenly risen to prominence on the rw scene.

If he for some reason is disabled, there are plenty of other sick, pea-brained, paranoid "radio hosts" and other obscure windbags just waiting to be tapped for his slot.

jm2cw, fwiw

I do like the idea of seeing his head in permanent explosion/meltdown, but fear that he is just one of the multitudes of hydra-heads.

[peace13]

12. Sorry, I could only take 30 seconds of that video.

His believers must be very ill folks.

[bdamomma]

15. very ill and believe everything he says too.

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[AllieB]

26. I agree about the 1st amendment.

However, does that make yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater protected speech?

[paulsby]

71. the most misunderstood meme in existence

have you read the actual decision?

he is NOT violating the law.

yelling fire in a crowded theatre is - see: imminence, etc.

furthermore, yelling "fire" has exactly ZERO political content, and is thus looked at even more askance.

i wish people who used the fire in a theater analogy were at least familiar WITH the case.

[tritsofme]

16. The desire by those on the left to suppress speech is just as dangerous

as those who wish to suppress it on the right.

I don't trust any of them.

[gratuitous]

18. How does being taken off the air "suppress speech"?

I looked over the First Amendment, and nowhere in there is an articulated right to have a national platform for spewing nonsense. Beck can say anything he wants, but I don't read that he has the "right" to be nationally broadcast and receive what amounts to a sinecure for simulating setting people on fire.

I'd appreciate your insights into how removing a hatemonger from the nation's airwaves constitutes a suppression of that person's rights.

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[ima_sinnic]

20. "suppress" it, or make it unprofitable?

it is not "suppression" to simply say, we find this person's speech inflammatory and disruptive of the public order and refuse to support those who pay him to talk like this.

Fred Phelps is "free" to say whatever he wants, but would you patronize him with your business (if he had something to "sell")?

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[ima_sinnic]

58. you have a problem with the fairness doctrine? do you even know what it is? (nt)

[tekisui]

88. Nice post, rush.

You are a RW talking point.

[tritsofme]

46. My protest is that I couldn't pick this guy out of a line-up if I wanted to.

I have no idea who this bozo is, and I'm not interested in finding out.

If the Fox News crowd get their rocks listening to him, it makes no difference to me.

[bridgit]

25. I do agree that his mind is sick, believe further that Ailes & FOXnews is actually...

abusing his fragile, disrupted mental state in knowing that all they need to is push Beck out there and maybe some of his psychosis will go viral or become shared either way their Ad dollars go up to watch this emotional freak of nature: Glenn Beck. Having become a seedy midway R. Murdoch freak show; Ailes and FOXnews should ultimately be shutdown for abusing reason and emotionally challenged people for money and conservative flim-flam

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[bridgit]

29. FOX has discernible differences of opinion you must be joking admit it

FOX is full of snippy shit-heads like that idiot morning show, Hannity (yeah, there's a free thinking guy), Coulter, beltway boys, Krauthammer...if you don't think that's enough there's more and you're missing it right now. Maybe time for you to get back to watching and ignoring the truth could be a way to go :thumbsup:

FOXnews is a scourge upon alternative opinion and that is the way Ailes set it up :thumbsdown:

[YOY]

35. Sure Fox has both RW "Patriots" and RW Uber "Patriots"!

Running the full gamut of RW "Patriots" who parrot today's meme.

[bridgit]

48. Uuuuuuuber "Patriots"!

:kick:

[rhett o rick]

97. I object to you using "right wing" and "patriots" in the same sentence. The right wing

favors fascism, to me that's not patriot. just sayin'

[YOY]

99. S'why it's in quotes luv!

:hi:

[rhett o rick]

101. Well, well, then I object to you calling me luv. How's that. And it aint in quotes neither.

:hi:

[YOY]

110. Imagine Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins delivering the line, the worst Cockney imagninable for laughs!

Didn't mean to offend!

[rhett o rick]

111. How can 'luv' ever be offensive. I luv Dick Van Dyke and his brother Jerry too. nm

[Vickers]

31. "FOX has a variety of opinions"

Yes, they run the gamut from "drunken bat-shit crazy" all the way to "insane dumbass chickenhawk shitstain ramblings."

Welcome to DU! Enjoy your stay!

:hi:

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[YOY]

37. FUCK YES.

n.t

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[YOY]

42. Because they don't debate "facts" or take direct marching orders from any political party.

Evidence: http://www.outfoxed.org/

Plenty more where that came from BTW...which I am sure you would all ignore...because of the "evil Librul media"...As if you actually knew what a liberal was let alone where the center of the political compass actually lies.

Take a political science course at any university (except Liberty, Regent, or some other bible school calling itself a university.) We'll wait a few months for your response.

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[Vickers]

56. Man, you have a real hard-on for MSNBC, don'tcha?

Whatsamatta, Keith Olbermann ridicule one of your guys last night?

:rofl:

[YOY]

57. They a shit load more objective than FOX. If you think them FOX's "LW" equal then you're a fool.

If you think them anything more than a corporate media outlet then you're a fool. None-the-less, they are a corporate media outlet that doesn't have an entire political party at the helm. It's about ratings and money and nothing more.

And say...you started comparing apples to oranges. Let's not change the topic to the orange before we truly understand the apple, no?

Actually if you want the center of the political spectrum then take that Poli Sci class. Your brain might melt. But you can blame that on "Liberal Academia", no?

[AllieB]

62. Has our little chew toy been taken away?

He's been silent for 10 minutes. Methinks he's in DU limbo.

[YOY]

66. I think I just threw something back at him that he didn't like.

I really think that that guy has the idea that MSNBC is the Left-wing version of FOX. Some people really don't want to admit that FOX may not be a counterbalance to anything worthwhile.

[AllieB]

67. No, I think he may be on his way to the granite graveyard.

Yes, they never answer you directly when you throw facts in their faces. It sure is annoying.

[YOY]

72. Naw...he wasn't really vulgar or rude...just wrong.

If he's in some kind of limbo while they TS him then I'll be a little shocked. I think he just got mobbed by "leftists". Poor baby.

That and the spelling errors are priceless: "intereseting response..." Now why would the mods remove that?

[YOY]

113. Took 'em all day but they did it.

Odd as he wasn't too vulgar.

[Quantess]

70. DU limbo?

Is there a lag time between the banning and when the tombstone avatar appears?

[AllieB]

76. Yes-I think they can't post until the mods have come to a decision.

But I'm just guessing, as I've never been a moderator. :-) It just seems that there's a lapse of time where a bunch of us pose questions and there's no answer.

[rhett o rick]

104. I hope not. I rather enjoy hearing the idiocy. But that's just me. nm

[bridgit]

112. I'm going to miss them, whaaaaaa!!!

:cry:

[bridgit]

68. You see I don't, and you're welcome to search my posts but I feel America *is*...

better served when she governs from up the center in a state of poise...and 'balanced poise' is not what FOXnews has in mind clearly. Compared to FOXnews? MSNBC is the virtual *essence* of what is objective. FOXnews isn't even required to be truthful so why bother being objective.

You gotta be an employee of FOXnews not to see thus stuff

The Ruling

The jury awarded me with $425,000 but gave nothing to Steve, who had been forced to act as his own attorney. Steve repeatedly showed dogged determination in questioning many of the witnesses and getting them to admit some of the most damaging things that ultimately undermined the Fox defense. In the end, we suspect Steve received no award because of what seems to be an erroneous instruction from the judge to the jury. The jurors were told, incorrectly we believe, that in order to find for each of us, they must determine there was no other reason each of us was fired other than the fact we resisted orders to lie on the air and threatened to blow the whistle to the FCC. In any event, we view the verdict as a win for both of us. Our trial was never about money. It was about a reporter's duty to resist and blow the whistle loud and strong when pressured to lie and distort the news over the public airwaves.

Fox immediately announced that it would appeal. On October 12 and again on November 3, the network argued to the judge that he should vacate the jury's verdict. During the trial itself, McDaniels had claimed that Fox merely wanted "to get our good name back" and repair the damage to its credibility which we had inflicted by telling our story on our website and speaking to groups around the world. During the Motion to Vacate, however, McDaniels seemed to toss the network's credibility in the garbage by making an argument that any legitimate news organization would be embarrassed to voice. "There is no law, rule or regulation against slanting the news," he told the judge.

http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2000Q4/lawsuit.html

[immoderate]

87. Objectivity is not the issue.

Truth is the issue. Can you point to an instance where Olbermann or Maddow have not been truthful. Sorry, I can't vouch for the MSNBC right wingers like Scarborough.

On FOX, all you have to hear is the "Obama is a socialist (or communist, or Muslim, or Kenyan)" line, and you can pretty much discount anything else they say.

Hopefully, you'll get tired of us before they TS you, but enjoy your stay.

--imm

[tekisui]

60. Easy joe scab---Ed Schultz---Rachel Maddow.

[rvablue]

86. They have a former Republican congressman and Republican presidential candidate

on air every single day spewing their talking points.

Don't remember seeing any former Democratic congresscritters or presidential candidates on the Fox payroll.

[Vickers]

38. I love it when y'all come here to educate us.

:rofl:

FTR, I get all of my news from a German newspaper. I'm like a closet Nazi and stuff...

Again...welcome to DU! Enjoy your stay!

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[Vickers]

41. Dude, what it it with you guys and the "Shift" button?

:shrug:

Did the Muslins invent it or something?

[YOY]

43. Stop casting Asparagus!

Can't you see this person wants to debate the facts!

[rhett o rick]

105. Hey why do you hate asparagus? nm

[JTFrog]

44. They only use shift when they are SERIES!111!!!

:shrug:

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[AllieB]

52. I mentioned Joe Scarborough and the fact that MSNBC has conservative guests.

But you're ignoring that salient FACT. Name a liberal show on Fox.

[Vickers]

53. "your substance is lacking"

You answer questions with questions, and you spout repuke nonsense and use repuke logic (sic). Why should I dignify your drivel with a proper response?





Oops! I just did!

:spank:

But just so you know...you hurt my feelings.

:(

[AllieB]

51. No, Obama has removed it from all Freeptard computers. It was part of the stimulus bill.

[ima_sinnic]

63. now, that is completely irrelevant. I for one rarely "shift" and am not one of "them"

let's at least stick to something worth arguing about.

[Vickers]

64. Aw shucks, I'm just funnin'.

:P

[rhett o rick]

107. don't pick on those not using the shift keY. after medication (reaD vodka) it is challenging. NM

[Quantess]

47. Joe Scarborough has his own program on MSNBC

FOX used to have Alan Colmes sitting next to Sean Hannity while Hannity clearly dominated. Now Sean Hannity has the show all on his own.

[rhett o rick]

109. What Joe Scarborough has his own show? What next, CNN goes right wing? nm

[AllieB]

49. superds, Joe Scarborough is HARDLY liberal.

You so funny! SERIESLY! :rofl:

Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz have conservatives on their shows. They're too afraid to go on Olbermann. So you believe Fox is fair and balanced?

[bridgit]

54. Don't 4get Mika Mouse

:dunce:

[JTFrog]

59. And MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan....

:rofl:
:rofl:

[smoogatz]

73. Joe Scarborough? Andrea Mitchell?

Do these names ring a bell, or are you not familiar with the MSNBC lineup?

[Dr.Phool]

81. I used to see Pat Buchanan so much on MSNBC, I wanted to puke.

[smoogatz]

82. It doesn't take much of that racist douchebag to make me want to puke. nt

[rhett o rick]

103. Duh? Haven't you ever seen Maddow and Killer Joe fight it out?

MSNBC is the only major cable network that has progressives on at all. Comedy Central does of course.

[tekisui]

61. Freeper.

:hi:

Enjoy your stay, defending fux news.

[HughMoran]

79. Don't cast granitesparagus at us

It's too crunchy.

[rhett o rick]

102. Please please give us one example. They all read the same talking points every day. nm

[Quantess]

32. If he went off the air, we would lose such a comedic goldmine! Watch this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x295577

[AllieB]

65. That was a nice lunchtime diversion.

:popcorn:

I think our visitor is in DU limbo waiting for his pizza.

Back to work now. :-(

[L0oniX]

69. Beck should hook up with Dr. Phil. Wouldn't that make a nice show?

[bdamomma]

85. he should hook up with Palin two sickies together.

[Political Heretic]

74. It think its more sad that he even gets to anyone.

He's a joke, I wouldn't even waste my time being stressed out about it. In face, I find it pretty amusing.

[groundloop]

75. Facts. I don't wanna' hear no stinkin' facts.

How the hell can anyone barge in and try to defend Faux News? That's a hoot.

[smoogatz]

77. I disagree. Strongly.

I actually think it's a good thing that Fox has chosen to place a full-bore wingnut in the public spotlight, out in front of God and everyone. Beck is the far-right poster boy, after all--the new, post-Limbaugh voice of the Republican party. Moderate and independent voters take a look and they see a sweating, weeping, bug-eyed looneytune who can barely utter a coherent thought, let alone string two thoughts together. It's the best advertising for progressivism and the Democratic party I can imagine—and Fox is giving it to us for free. I hope they give Coulter a show, too.

[Quantess]

95. When Glenn Beck was on CNN Headline News he seemed more normal.

I agreed with him about 10% of the time, and I could see why he was popular with some people. He found common sense starting points (almost everyone would agree with him on some basic things), but then he delved into wacky RW blather.

I have not seen him on FAUX, but I have seen some clips that make me think FOX has taken his leash off, and I doubt that he even tries to start his arguments from a reasonable place anymore.

[smoogatz]

96. That would be the understatement of the day.

He practically foams at the mouth.

[rhett o rick]

115. Not me. First time I saw him i felt sick to my stomach. nm

[HughMoran]

78. I think the guy helps the Dems quite a bit

Even non-psycho Republicans have to be cringing if this is the most popular thing they got going.

[elehhhhna]

80. he's cracked

BECK: By the way, I just want -- I just want to show you, kids, water, not gasoline. I was -- I was actually told by our legal department, "Glenn, you can't just do that, you've got to" -- I said, yeah, this is why our country is so screwed up if I got to actually say, that wasn't really gasoline, kids. Don't do that at home, that would be really, really bad.

[WeDidIt]

83. I'd rather leave him on the air

and mock him.

[RB TexLa]

84. Why that is the republican party of our time. They want the president dead they want the government

and our institutions violently attacked. They want the country to fail.

But they don't want to do any of themselves, they don't have the guts. They sit and hope someone will do those things, and glen beck gives them something to watch on tv where they can dream it can come true and pratice eating with one hand.

Even with small things they could do.

The ones not working
Praise the governors who refused stimulus money, yet go every week and say yes I tried to find a job, none there, now give me my government handout.


The ones working
Call the stimulus bill socialism and wealth redistribution, yet don't go to HR and ask their withholding to be returned to the level it was before the $20 or so a week extra popped into their checks.

[MrScorpio]

89. Glenn Beck is an idiot

[peace13]

90. I actually know a woman who was so proud that her daughter was reading Beck's book.

I was in shock and tried not to blurt out what I was thinking. This mom is wealthy and a bit on the snobbish side. We tend to think of Mr. Beck as appealing to less affluent but I think that we would be surprised about his followers.

[Initech]

92. Glenn Beck is certifiably bat shit insane but...

His show is a total train wreck. You don't want to state but you can't look away.

[Orsino]

98. This ain't the early ninties...

...when Rush could scare people just with the specter of tax hikes. This is post-9/11 America, and Jack Bauer informs most people's political opinions.

Beck has to turn the drooling paranoia up to eleven, just to be noticed. Fox, after all, is his last chance to keep that big TV money rolling in. When he loses this job, it's gonna be back to hate radio. That much of his desperation is genuine.

He's terrified of no longer being rich.

[walldude]

100. He's not going anywhere....

And for that I am grateful. In the future historians will have a ton of tape, audio and video to show just how fucked up the Republicans became after they lost.

I'm actually enjoying all this lunacy, A Congresswoman calling for Armed Revolution, Tea Bagging, the brainwashing machines that are being put on top of everyones TV. You can't make shit this crazy up.

[Kajsa]

108. Where is Homeland Security when

you REALLY need them?

Why aren't they all over this?

Olbermann has been airing this jackass and his rhetoric,
inciting violence for three straight weeks now.

WTH?

[sarcasmo]

114. I am Bi Polar and I see some of that in Glen Beck, just my observation.