Need Statement from P. Obama on Cuba's Travel Decision

[Sebass1271]

I heard somewhere P. Obama will not make a decision on this issue until he is convince the Castro regime would bring political change and/or Democracy to the people of cuba. Can someone please provide me with this statement or a link where i can read the full transcripts?

Today i learned P. Obama lifted the travel and money transfers to Cuba, I would like to know if he requested the cuban government for some conditions.

Please... anyone...

[elleng]

1. listen here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x296121

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. I don't know and I don't care. It's 50 F years of this bullshit while the U.S. has been

playing footsies with other dictators, and other Communist countries.

I'm glad of any bans that get lifted, hope the entire embargo is lifted, and the bs just ends finally.

Half a century is half a century too long to keep this bs going.

[Sebass1271]

3. I agree with you, something should be done and must be done

however, i wanted to know if P.Obama asked for conditions.. after all, we don't want to support another China, don't we?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. As long as we are supporting China, why not another one?

Why the constant discrimination against Cuba, just Cuba, and only Cuba?

[Sebass1271]

6. Because Fidel is a criminal PERIOD and there is no

democracy there and he has political prisoners, regular people like you and/or me fighting to bring democracy to their country who were cought and have never been released.

[malaise]

11. Lots of Democracy in China and Saudi Arabia

NOT but they have lots of US dollars for loans.
Spare me the double standards please.

[Sebass1271]

12. i understand the hipocricy and i agree..

believe me I do. But Cuba's government was broke i personally think it was a missed opportunity for him. I know Castro would have most likely given some consessions to Obama...if he would have asked., but I fully agree for the lifting of the travel...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. You mean because he sentenced to death many from Batista's Secret Police, and it was televised?

Batista's secret police had a list of murders of young people (like what happened in Argentina and Chiile) which is no longer spoken about, but is huge.

Or do you have other reasons and proofs?

[Adelante]

5. Conditions concern the embargo, not travel

Specifically release of political prisoners. I've heard of no conditions attached to travel and gifts.

[Sebass1271]

7. I respect P. Obama for making this decision, but he shouldn't

have done it without any concessions.. Fidel and his government were broke. With this decision (without concessions) fidel and his criminals have won the lotto.

This would have been the PERFECT opportunity for P. Obama to go to cuba and say, i'll give you this, but you must give this in return, at least ask for the release of the freaking poor political prisoners whom have been in jail for years without due legal process....... and Obama didn't.

He just didn't... wow!.. what a miss opportunity for his presidency and for the Democratic Party to make history.

[Adelante]

8. He's not giving anything to Castro

He's giving something to Cuban and Cuban-American families. Lifting the trade embargo will have to be negotiated.

[Sebass1271]

9. i don't agree.. unless i am missing the full information on this

story or his decision. When Cuban Americans send remittance to their families in Cuba the Cuban government takes 33% of those funds... that is feeding the government and their political party.. I am hoping he is putting a cap on this charge from the cuban government...

[CreekDog]

10. Yes you do disagree...you would not allow Cuban Americans to travel as freely

unless Cuba gave something in return.

you can't hold both positions simulateously.

[Sebass1271]

14. absolutely!!.. i would have asked for something..

i don't want to see Cuba become the next china for nothing.. cheap labor, american companies going there and pay shit salary with the same criminals in government staying put, and yes, you can have both positions simultaneously

[Adelante]

19. That's up to the families sending the money

If they find the tax (or whatever it's called) too onerous, they won't send the money. But I see this move as a first break in what has been a perfectly unproductive foreign policy. At some point, it will be worked out, because we have to stop living in the past with this. Everything is not going to happen right this minute, but Obama is keeping faith with Cuban Americans by this first step. Personally, I wish it were for all Americans, though that certainly will come, because Americans should be free to come and go as they please without government interference. The embargo is something more complicated involving negotiating, concessions, treaties, legislation and all that jazz. This today is just a down payment is how I see it. But, you know, Obama is pretty hard-nosed and I don't think he's going to give it up without concessions from Castro.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

13. You know, writing the word "President" is not all that hard. -nt

[Sebass1271]

15. I'll try the next time around... having said that, i like your name..

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. No, you don't. -nt

[Sebass1271]

17. so, now you know what i like???

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. Waaaaait a second. I remember you now.

You're the one who has some unorthodox ideas of what the words "Catholic" and "Christian" mean.

Discussion about schools -- remember?

Yeah, ma'am, I may not know ALL that you like, but I do know a bit. And it sure ain't pretty.

[Sebass1271]

20. what's not to like about me?? really.. i am just outspoken

as all of you are...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. Nothing wrong with outspokenness. :) I like outspokenness.

:toast:

[Sebass1271]

21. by the way, you do have good memory.. that was me..

thinking the unorthodox idea of catholism and christianity...