Demjanjuk Removed From Ohio Home On Stretcher

[Purveyor]

SEVEN HILLS, Ohio (AP) — Immigration agents carried John Demjanjuk out of his Ohio home on a stretcher to deport him to Germany. An arrest warrant in Munich alleges the frail 89-year-old was a Nazi death camp guard. German prosecutors claim Demjanjuk was an accessory to some 29,000 deaths during World War II at a death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

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CLEVELAND (AP) — U.S. immigration agents arrived Tuesday at John Demjanjuk's suburban Cleveland home to deport him to Germany, where an arrest warrant alleges the frail 89-year-old was a Nazi death camp guard, his son said.

John Demjanjuk Jr. was returning to the Cleveland area from Cincinnati, where he had filed motions asking the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for a stay of deportation and to reopen the U.S. case that ordered his father deported. He was in contact with people at his father's home.

"He can't stand up and walk out of the house," Demjanjuk Jr. said. "We weren't anticipating anything like this. I was told that a family member could accompany him. We also were told that we would have 3-5 days notice before anything happened."

Around 1 p.m., five men in two unmarked cars arrived at Demjanjuk's home and at least three have been inside the home.

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[seemslikeadream]

1. some day some way georgie all war criminals pay the price

may you live your life in fear till that day comes for you

[cali]

2. I may be in a minority, but I think this is wrong.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. it is wrong.

Luckily that US office behind these witch hunts is pretty much defunct now. I know of 12 cases in the chicago area that they simply got wrong, and misidentified innocents as war criminals. Some jewish groups raised a stink on a couple of cases, claiming that Polish, Lithuanian and Ukrainian immigrants were war criminals, and should be deported. Turns out the "evidence" was bullshit and those folks were never at the locations, nor were they involved. (most of the wrongly accused happened to be treated as enemies by Germany)

In two cases even the Israeli Supreme Court found that the allegations were baseless. That did not stop AIPAC from claiming anti-semitism in our efforts to stop the deportations.

[we can do it]

6. So If Booshie Hid Out For Years In Paraguay It Would Just Be OK If He Got Old?

'this bastard has been putting this off for decades now he cries "I'm too old" well whatever.....Theyve finally convicted some klansmen who killed blacks after decades- if he was innocent he should have gone to trial long ago.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. Did I defend proper actions taken the wrong doers? NO

Did I complain that OSP was overly aggressive and often wrong about who they accused? YES.

There is a huge difference there, and it is truly telling that you would deliberately confuse the two.

[we can do it]

18. did I reply to you? NO

[ChairmanAgnostic]

30. ach der lieber, das ist true.

sorry.

[we can do it]

37. No Problem!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. Good point. Bushie harmed old people. So did this SS guard nt

[verges]

35. This guy has been fighting this

in the courts on two continents for almost 30 years now. He maintains his innocence. He was let go by the Israeli Supreme court.

He was originally accused of being a guard called Ivan the Terrible. After that was proven to be false, they accused him of something else. My feeling is that he's being rail-roaded.

[wndycty]

8. Cuddly old man with a loving wife and family is still a NAZI who killed too many innocent people

I am predisposed to be compassionate, but I have to draw the line at someone who is an alleged accomplice in so many deaths. There was no compassion for the victims.

[solinvictus]

34. Demjanjuk was aquitted in 1992 by ...

..the Supreme Court of Israel. This is strictly an AIPAC/ Weisenthal hit job on an old man who's had no peace in the past twenty plus years. They need to realize that the generation associated with those crimes is dying off and it's time to retire the Office of Special Investigations.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. Here are the issues...

Do incredibly evil, cruel, savage, monstrous people automatically turn good the minute they get old?

What about the old people he killed when he was young and strong? What about them? What about the children he sentenced to be killed? What about the torture, the starvation, the gassing he engaged in when he was young and strong?

Should someone who, in his STRONG, YOUNG years, sentenced children, weeping women, old, helpless men, and others, to starve and/or be gassed, laughed about it, enjoyed it and would probably do it again, be spared after many years pass?

That's the issue.

I don't know. I do know that I'm against the death penalty, but I'm not, for example, against people punching to death someone that rapes and kills a child.

Those are the issues.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. NO, HERE are the issues:

(Reuters) - Following are five facts about John Demjanjuk, who was taken from his home in Ohio on Tuesday to stand trial in Germany, accused of being a Nazi death camp guard.

* Born on April 3, 1920, in Kiev, Ukraine, he said he was drafted into the Russian army in 1941, became a German prisoner of war a year later and served at German prison camps until 1944. He immigrated to the United States in 1951 and became a naturalized citizen in 1958.

* He was stripped of his U.S. citizenship in 1981 and extradited to Israel, where he was sentenced to death in 1988 after Holocaust survivors said he was the notorious guard "Ivan the Terrible" at Treblinka where 870,000 people died.

* The Israeli Supreme Court overturned his conviction and death sentence in 1993 and freed him after newly released records from the former Soviet Union showed another man, Ivan Marchenko, was probably the Treblinka guard.


Imagine that. The IDers were wrong. He was NOT Ivan the Terrible.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. No, actually, he was a serial murderer when he was young and strong

He is the same person today, only now he's old.

What has changed?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

31. after the Israeli supremes found him completely innocent?

[Thothmes]

36. Actually they did not find him innocent

they found that he was not the specific camp guard identified in the indictments.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

39. Of being somebody named Ivan the Terrible, which bears no relation to the fact that

He lied to our INS. He told them he had never been involved in the Nazi party, and that he'd never been a Nazi concentration camp guard, THO HE HAD BEEN.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

45. Israel had incorrect info. The U.S. has correct info. about him and they're dealing with him

appropriately.

[jakefrep]

42. Let him die and let God figure it out.

We mortals can't seem to figure out who Demjanjuk is.

[Ikonoklast]

14. Those are NOT the issues.

Demjanjuk did NONE of those things.

He killed NO ONE.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. So, do incredibly evil people become good the moment they start to age?

What about the old, helpless, sick men and women he murdered? They don't count, do they?

He's the incredible Mr. Ripley, only an incredibly savage one.

"...a notorious SS guard at the Treblinka extermination camp during the period 1942-1943 who committed murder and acts of extraordinarily savage violence against camp prisoners."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

[Ikonoklast]

19. You have reading comprehension problems.

He was acquitted OF ALL CHARGES BY THE SUPREME COURT OF ISRAEL.

Read the entire entry that YOU POSTED.

I hope that you never serve on a jury.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. You seem hell bent on seeing this monster as innocent. Nice going nt

[Ikonoklast]

23. You are not rational.

Facts have no sway over you.

He was sent home by the Israelis. If they found him to be not guilty of war crimes, I'll take their word for it.

You seem to need him to die for crimes for which he was acquitted, for some reason that I cannot fathom.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

43. They found they did not have solid proof he was that particular "Ivan the Terrible" individual

That's the reason superior court in Israel dismissed it.

No relation to the fact that he lied to American INS and said he was never a Nazi concentration camp SS guard.

[Tarc]

26. Do you have brain damage?

Demjanjuk was deported to Israel over 20 years ago on suspicion of being the so-called "Ivan the Terrible". The whole affair was a 3-ring circus...prosecutor misconduct, withheld evidence, etc...which initially led to his being sentenced to hang, til it was overturned because of eyewitness testimony that it wasn't him. He returned to the US and had his citizenship restored.

Years later, they come up with this "oh wait a sec, he was really THIS OTHER GUY, our bad" ? And you buy it?

Sweet fucking christ, THINK for a moment.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

32. that's a really hard request, you know.

[SurfingScientist]

28. The current charges are about other wrongdoing...

... than the charges brought up by the Israeli court.

Being acquitted for one thing does not make him innocent of everything else.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

38. Israel did not try him as a Nazi concentration camp guard, which is what he was.....

And Israel did not try him as someone who LIED to our INS.

Israel tried him as some character named Ivan the Terrible. Israel's superior court dismissed the case against him being this character named Ivan the Terrible.

The U.S. has nothing to do with some character named Ivan the Terrible, nor is the U.S. deporting him for being some character named Ivan the Terrible.

The U.S. is deporting him for lying to the INS about having been a Nazi concentration camp guard. Period!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

44. Israel incorrectly identified him. The U.S. CORRECTLY identified him as a NAZI SS GUARD

Why are you defending him based on Israel's error? The U.S. sure didn't make Israel's error. The U.S. will deport him based on correct U.S. information, not on incorrect Israel information.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

40. And did you know him personally back during the Third Reich that you can vouch for him

having killed no one? Where's your proof from back then?

[DavidDvorkin]

25. I agree with you

I've argued before on DU that ancient, frail people should be left to die of natural causes, no matter what evils they committed in their youth. Specifically, I've argued that about Nazis -- that despite much of my mother's family having died in the Holocaust.

The response has always been personal attacks and strawman arguments.

[joeybee12]

27. He was deported to israel several years ago, and essentially they acquited him

by sending him back...I'd like to know what the stupid german government has that israel didn't...come on...israel is exceedingly thorough in prosecuting the perpetrators (as they should be), and if they didn't try him, i say he's probably not guilty.

[Dappleganger]

46. Why should delayed justice be denied??

I don't care if the guy had renounced all of his past, his possessions and gone to work in a leper company--there still needs to be a day in court for justice to hear the case and let the victims' families have their day as well. Why is his life more important than theirs??

[Botany]

3. No pity from me

[malaise]

4. He's just been granted a stay

so says GEM$NBC

[Obamanaut]

7. No statute of limitations on murder is a good thing - and perish the

thought anyone try the meme "well he was just a teenager at the time." Even if he was (and I have no clue as to his age) he is still a heinous criminal and gets zero pity from me.

[johnnie]

11. This has been going on for over 20 years

They haven't found enough evidence to show that he is Ivan the Terrible yet, they probably never will.

[Ikonoklast]

12. Posters here need to educate themselves about Demjanjuk.

The Supreme Court of Israel let him off as innocent, completely.

I side with them.

[SurfingScientist]

29. According to Wikipedia, they do not -

- they only talk about the specific charges that were pressed back then. This does not exclude prosecution for different crimes.

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. Believe everything you read on Wikipedia? n/t

[bluestateguy]

15. He's just being a drama queen

"Oh, oops did we drop that stretcher! Oh, pardon me!"

[liberal N proud]

21. If this guy is guilty it should give us hope

Hope that one day bu$h and Cheney too will be prosecuted.

[malaise]

24. Alleged Nazi guard gets stay of deportation

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30210535/
<snip>
A federal appeals granted a stay of deportation to Germany for accused Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk, but the frail 89-year-old Ukraine native had been removed from his suburban Cleveland home by six immigration officers using a wheelchair.

It was unclear if Demjanjuk would be brought back home.

John Demjanjuk Jr., who was returning to the Cleveland area from Cincinnati, where he had filed motions asking the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the stay of deportation, said he was surprised that his father had been removed from home.

[many a good man]

33. Guilty

Back in the late seventies, early eighties my old man used to hang out in Seven Hills Tavern, the corner bar where Demjanjuk drank. Whenever he got really blasted Demjanjuk would brag about what he did to the Jews during the war. That disgusting piece of shit never paid for what he did. He will burn in hell along with all the other Nazis.