Texas -May Secede From the Union... Says their governor...

[QueenOfCalifornia]

AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights.

Perry told the Austin crowd Wednesday that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principals. He says the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation and spending.

During his speech to hundreds in a U.S. flag-waving crowd, there were several shouts of "Secede!"

Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union. However, Perry says he sees no reason why Texas should make such a move.

Perry's running for re-election against Republican rival U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/governor-says-texans-want-secede-union-probably-wont/


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When they go can they take Fred Phelps with them? :)

[d_b]

1. don't tease, governor.

[Island Blue]

2. I'm sure Mexico will be glad to have it back. n/t

[polichick]

3. imo we should keep Texas ( I love those bluebonnets) and let its right-wing assholes secede.

[Xenotime]

18. Texas is a terrorist state according to the DHS...

"rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority," - The gov signed a law there to do exactly that.

Arrest them all!!

What a grand day that would be.

[tridim]

4. When?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

7. Talk of treason is always

a real plus when you are brainless....

They can't leave soon enough for me... I wish they would hurry because Bush is living there. They can elect him to be their Czar.

[Skink]

5. This the same guy that tried to turn down stimulus money.

Now if Kinky Friedman wants to succeed we'll look at it.

[lapfog_1]

6. Please... oh please...

Sorry Texas DUers... but I just wouldn't mind all that much...

And Chuck Norris can be "President".

And the only issue is that Texas can't take any military assets with them.

[merh]

8. LOL - Norris as a Texas hero

"Remember the Total Gym" :rofl:

[FiveGoodMen]

30. +1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1!

[NightWatcher]

9. time to arrest the seditionists under the Smith Act

The Alien Registration Act of 1940, usually called the Smith Act because the antisedition section was authored by Representative Howard W. Smith of Virginia, was adopted at 54 Statutes at Large 670-671 (1940). The Act has been amended several times and can now be found at 18 U.S. Code § 2385 (2000).

§ 2385. Advocating Overthrow of Government.

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof--

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/smithactof1940.html
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

[ima_sinnic]

35. in this case, I'd be willing to overlook that. the deal would be:

make it on your own, without any input whatsoever from U.S. citizens or the federal government, and nobody will be charged with anything. that includes STAYING within your own borders and not venturing out to some blue state with highly developed infrastructure and schools to get whatever your own little neanderthal pea brains are just too stupid and empty to conceive and produce. You can buy whatever you want over the Internet (with extra postage and fees added for shipments to a foreign country, of course), but don't come over here crying and looking for a job when your own ridiculous folly sets a world record for epic fail. We don't take kindly to illegal aliens sneaking into this country., esp. teabagging perverts.

[LuvNewcastle]

10. Looks like Texas has its own George Wallace.

I guess it takes some work to make Hutchison look liberal, though.

[Trajan]

11. I think secession would suit them ....

Immediate removal of all US tax payer funded services AND military contracts would be ideal for the rest of the country ....

Make Texas a foreign nation, and remove their eyes from military documentation and their hands from government contracts .... They can get in line with Chile and Belarus to seek new work from the US ....

BTW: What is the 'taxes paid' versus 'revenues received' ratio for Texas ? .... I could swear they pay the least and yet get the most in this dysfunctional relationship ....

(no offense to our Democratic friends in Texas - but let's face it - You arent running things in Austin)

[KamaAina]

21. And make them beg to be let into NAFTA

:evilgrin:

[tularetom]

12. Don't let the door hit you in the ass dude

And make sure you take the boy king with ya.

And don't anybody think you can sneak into the US of A - we'll shoot your ass. We don't need anymore illegal immigrants.

[haele]

13. No they won't - they get too much from the federal government to secede

Their only real "GDP" other than government contracts are livestock and oil, and there's not enough of the cattle industry to add to their oil to cover most of their bills. Most of their service industry requires some sort of federal subsidy, too.
Also, if they secede, they're going to have to start up a serious state income tax to pay for everything they got the feds to pay for - like Homeland Security and Immigration services for their border - and won't that be a wonderful development to present to their newly "freed from federal tyranny" constituancy...

Haele

[QueenOfCalifornia]

33. Maybe they will just

decide to be part of Mexico... Like it used to be. I haven't forgotten the Alamo... looks like some Texans, including their Governor, may not remember it though.

[haele]

40. If they do decide to be part of Mexico, they're going to have to decide

Which Drug Cartel or which American Multi-National business is going to own what cities or areas. Heck, even if they don't decide to be part of Mexico, they're going to have to make that decision.
They think they're going to live like some privileged patron in a telenovella if they just throw off the shackles of Washington? The middle class in Texas is in dire straights and on life support supplied by the Federal Government, just like the middle class everywhere - if Texas - or if California or Arizona, for that matter (and I live in San Diego, born in the SouthWest, so I know a bit of what I'm talking about) leave, the middle class will dry up, leaving the SW to turn into a culture of patrons and peons.
And as my Mother always told me, there's only so many spots for bosses available - most people will be workers for the rest of their lives.
And in a patron-based society as you find in Mexico, those middle class freeptiods who think "we'll be rich, if only the Gumm'ent got off our backs, givin' our hard earned pay to the lazy poor", could even more quickly find themselves sharing a row of hovels in a working class ghetto with those same "lazy poor" if they make the mistake of pissing off the local big boss.

Those fools have no idea what they're wishing for. Or rather, the people who want to be patrons know exactly what they want, and are trying to foster an atmosphere of willing fools who will eagerly give everything up to someone who tells them what they want to hear.

And yeah, race and privilege has a lot to do with this. It makes me feel like weeping when I see how these self-isolated fools destroy their own future out of greed and cowardness.


Haele

[walldude]

14. We can only hope n/t

[BlueIdaho]

15. Here's your hat

What's your hurry?

[ladjf]

16. HIs remarks are perilously close to being illegal. nt

[kimmerspixelated]

17. This is just another Texas hating thread. LISTEN UP!

MOST TEXANS DESPISE RICK PERRY! They are not all like him. Just as Texas is not all Cowboys, etc.! Just because Perry's a prick, doesn't mean the whole state which is filled with a lot of great folks, BTW, should follow! QUIT stereotying Texas!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

22. Most Texans

voted for him

No one thinks all texans are pricks - but after that slackjaw ass of a potus claiming Texas as his home state - it has been tarnished.

I hate it when the Governor of a state sounds like an idiot.

[tammywammy]

31. Actually more people voted for someone else the last election than voted for Perry. n/t

[QueenOfCalifornia]

37. so why isn't "someone else" governor?

I think you mean that after the votes were counted the others running against him got more votes together than Perry did alone?

Texas politics is a thorn in my side.

A lot of dumbasses there - My husband suggested moving to Texas once - I told him I would rather have a railroad spike driven into my skull and pray for a quick death.

I know there are good people in Texas - I feel for them. I am surrounded by RW idiots in the county I live in... I do not hate Texans collectively, just the gigantic amount who ruin it for the normal people.

[tammywammy]

41. Texas doesn't have a run off

You were incorrect, "most" people did not vote for Perry during the last election. He won with only 39% of the total vote and Hutchinson is positioned well to beat him in the republican primary next-go-round.

I love living in Texas and don't plan on moving. I'd rather help change my state from within.

[kimmerspixelated]

44. There you go!

Maybe I can look you up if I ever get the chance to move back.:hi:

[NightWatcher]

23. then arrest him and turn him over to the Federal authorities for violating the Smith Act

The Alien Registration Act of 1940, usually called the Smith Act because the antisedition section was authored by Representative Howard W. Smith of Virginia, was adopted at 54 Statutes at Large 670-671 (1940). The Act has been amended several times and can now be found at 18 U.S. Code § 2385 (2000).

§ 2385. Advocating Overthrow of Government.

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof--

[Trajan]

26. I sympathize with you ... but in all fairness

Texas state government is a thorn in our sides - What are WE to do about that ? ... say nothing ?

I love our brethren in Texas, but they are NOT running the show, and with stuff like this coming out - something MUST be said ....

We have opponents in this world, and quite a few of them live in and control Texas ...

[L0oniX]

19. Please ...go already. We'll keep the stimulus money. What a relief ...no more

asshole presidents, congressmen and senators from your fucking hell hole and moron factory state.

[ananda]

20. Looks like Kay Bailey is a shoo in.

I don't like her much, but compared to
Perry, she actually looks sorta kinda
.. gasp.. good.

[moondust]

29. Should be.

Once all those retirees who vote in great numbers realize that Perry and his fellow nutters want to cut off their Social Security checks and Medicare.

[tammywammy]

34. Agreed

The poll numbers have been looking horrible for Perry vs Hutchinson. He's mightily worried about the primary, that's why he's spouting off.

[anonymous171]

24. Isn't this guy supposed to be a "NAFTA highway" supporter?

[classof56]

25. When my RW fundie Texas relatives forward me those RW wacko emails...

I find myself wondering if they shouldn't opt for a different planet. But secession is not a bad idea--that would make them "furriners" and how would they like the stop-and-search tacts that await them when they cross the border on their frequent trips to Branson and Hot Springs. Assuming Arkansas doesn't secede too...hmmm. Maybe Huckabee and Perry can join forces and force the secession vote, then let 'em figure out how to run their own country. And yes, by all means, please PLEASE can they take Phelps and his evil crowd with them!

Arghhh (as pirates say). Sometimes these folks just blow my poor tired old mind. Glad my Texas-born mom has gone on to glory and not around to witness this crap!

Still like your cat, BTW. Have been talking to folks about what you shared with me awhile back, that all orange cats are male. Makes my guy seem all the more special!

Blessings.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

27. Not all

are male - but most are. My cat is a very clever guy and has decided not to secede. He likes his easy going socialist lifestyle. :)

[Mme. Defarge]

28. Sounds like

an enemy combatant to me.

[obiwan]

32. I've been to Texas. No big loss.

[tekisui]

36. I hope that's a promise.

Sorry for the joke to all Texas Duers.

[ima_sinnic]

38. & don't bother trying to sneak back over here, b/c illegal aliens will be subjected to

loud incessant recordings of John Lennon's "Imagine" interspersed with various Bob Marley and 1960s folk songs 24/7 while they are held in detention camps waiting processing, before being sent to organic work farms to produce food for U.S. citizens.

[Pharlo]

39. Well, alright, if they insist,

but, I say we charge them for any deconstruction and reconstruction of The Wall this secession will require to keep them there furriners out of the US of A.

Oh, and I also think we should start to move any and all US federally owned equipment and hardware (military and civilian) out of Texas. In addition, they will have to pay the US government a fair price for any federally owned property.

Oh, what the hell, let's also make it a condition of secession that new country of Texas pays to relocate any of the citizens of the current state of Texas who wish to remain citizens of the US to another state before the turnover date.

Then, we can let King George and Chuck Norris enact the Texan version of 'Trotsky v Stalin'. Poor Perry, all that effort and he's not even in contention for Supreme Emperor of Texas.

Hell, for all I know, the GW Bush reunion may be Bush's attempt to pre-empt either Norris or Perry. There he'd be, a populist secession movement and Emperor Bush just happens to be on hand with an 'experienced administration'. Perry will contest the Bush coup and a civil war will ensue - The Bush Beleaguered Militia against the Perry Police Corps.

[TexasObserver]

42. The GOP gave up their right to squeal "states' rights" in Bush v. Gore.

[DireStrike]

43. Door, ass, etc