faux news should be shut down, free speech my ass......

[fumsm]

This network has completely lost it's mind. They have become the new terrorist. They have far surpassed the free speech argument. They are at an all time high for blatant lies and dis-information. The most recent DHS report and their lies concerning the BO administrations development is a flat out lie. It was generated by Bush, yet they ignore that little fact.

They are completely out of control, inciting violence and treason 24/7. What good can they bring to an already damaged country. None. Period.

I believe there is a fine line between treason and free speech. They are way past this line. The FCC needs to start doing their fucking job and insure these fuckers quit lying to the American people on OUR airwaves.

Faux news. LIES YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

[NavyDavy]

1. I agree....but wait for the defenders of faux in 3,2,1 go

[MADem]

3. I don't watch that shit station, and that's how I "handle" them.

If enough people didn't watch them, they'd go away. That's how the marketplace works.

And three, two, one, GO...there is an argument to be made here for free speech. It's easy to defend popular speech; much harder to defend vicious, mean, stupid or mendacious speech.

For you to "agree" that it's a good idea to shut down the speech that doesn't suit your worldview is an unfortunate viewpoint. It suggests that you don't value the United States Constitution at all, and that is a pity.

[fumsm]

5. So you are saying that it is ok to.

- construe the message - Obama's DHS report targets soldiers returning from Iraq
- mis-represent what the point is - Obama's plan to attack conservatives and soldiers via DHS
- blatantly LIE, without fear of retribution - Obama's DHS (when in fact it was Bush's)
- we are not promoting the teabaggers- ha
- and on and on and on
- promote yourself as one thing but do something else - (fair & balanced)
- incite things like violence and succession
- constantly badmouth only one political party - ever hear anything negative about repukes? no
- constantly oppose and find fault with everything single thing only one political party offers
- undermine the leader of the country, and at a time of 2- wars - gee, wonder where that came from?
- do it all on the American taxpayers backs - FCC - rules, what rules??
- Still call yourself fair and balanced.

I'm all for free speech, but blatant lies and mis-information does not fall under my definition. Speak if you want, but you must be truthful and at least try to be somewhat respectful. This second part would be easy if not for the deceit involved.

Don't you think there should be some standards? With no rules, what's to keep a hate group promoting violence from also being on the airwaves promoting as does faux?

[Raskolnik]

9. "but you must be truthful and at least try to be somewhat respectful"

Could you show me which part of the First Amendment contains those caveats?

[timtom]

20. The America that watches Faux at all

deserves to be repeatedly slapped publicly for the world to see and to be reviled by those of us who know better.

But, that's just MY opinion.

I choose to not watch any television.

[get the red out]

2. Infomercials have to disclose

that they are a paid advertisement. The Republican Party needs to disclose that Fox "News" is a paid advertisement. It is ridiculous that they get to claim to be a journalistic organization. Editorials in newspapers are disclosed as opinion.

[guitar man]

12. yeah but that disclaimer

is not a legal requirement by law, it's generally a requirement of television stations and networks as a CYA move in case the claims in the infomercial don't stack up or the company fails to ship product after it's been paid for etc.

[tritsofme]

4. This post is disgraceful. You must have confused the US with Venezuela

We don't use government power to shut down our opposition in America.

I really don't understand the cognitive dissonance required for someone to honestly believe what is written in the OP.

I have always said that authoritarianism is as dangerous on the right as it is on the left, the OP proves that point with flying colors.

[walldude]

6. As much as I dislike Faux News yesterday Shepard Smith destroyed

the DHS is after them report. He actually issued a non-biased report and came just short of calling the righties who are freaking out about this nuts...

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/shepard-smith-blows-dhs-picking-tea

[chaplainM]

7. Democracy only works when EVERYBODY can speak freely.

Even the people whose views you despise.

Plus it's the law: no government restriction of the press.

[tuckessee]

8. I'd prefer that your free speech be restricted instead.

But hey, that's just me. To each his own.

[Raskolnik]

10. You either have a very poor understanding of the First Amendment

or you just don't care about the Constitition. I'm not sure which.

[Statistical]

11. Support speech you agree with is easy. Supporting speach you DONT = 1st ammendment

You ONLY support speech that supports and reinforces your viewpoints? Wow. Do you think you deserve a defender of liberty medal or something.

It is pathetically easy to support something you believe in.

Even if there was NO 1st amendment you likely would support & defend viewpoints you believe in.


Someday (maybe 8 years, maybe 16, maybe 80) the "other side" will be in charge.
They will say the same exact things about DU.

If you use govt power to bring down Fox I assume you will have no problem when they shut down DU? Right?

What I don't understand is this a lingering result of the brain dump from 2000-2008? That we now believe in a fascist govt as long as it is "our fascist govt"?

Or is it deeper? Do they not teach the Constitution and B.O.R. in school anymore?

[Bobbie Jo]

13. FIRE!!!!

:yoiks:

[Coffee and Cake]

14. Atta boy---go cry to the government instead of changing the channel

I don't watch Fox News, but if anything Americans need to be protected from people like you-people who want to control the flow of information and determine what can and cannot be said.

If you don't like the First Amendment; either suck it up, leave, or try to abolish it.

You are no better than Religious Right trying to ban Fahrenheit 451.

[fumsm]

15. Gee this is fun, never knew their were so

many faux news fans on this board.
Lie to me, please lie, it's ok, it's free speech.
I shot him because he looked at me wrong, self defense. ohh, he was unarmed, oh well..

[walldude]

16. LOL.. You seem to be missing the point....

there aren't any Faux News fans here, but there are a ton of first amendment fans.

[Seeking Serenity]

17. I think your speech should be banned, and your right to speak cut off.

Mr. Federal Agent, do your duty.

[Statistical]

18. Sad.

I am hoping this is just you way of being "defiant".

I am hoping that a progressive would stop and think (turn off the computer), just think about how dangerous a precedent it would be for govt to start shutting down the press when the govt (or even the people) says they are wrong.

Try to imagine a scenario where that might come back and bite you in the ass in the future.
Think long term. Not just this year or this week but long term.

Someday when Obama isn't in the WH, when Republicans control both houses.
When dissenting voices are considered "dangerous".

Thankfully our founding fathers ALREADY did the thinking for you. They were smart enough to make the 1st ammendment.

You want to shred that protection over faux news. Really???

They scare you that much you did the "big bad gubermint to make the shut up".

Well write Obama a letter. Maybe I am wrong as he is a fascist and will help you silence the press.

[Raskolnik]

23. Oh, don't pout because (almost) no one is cheering your anti-First Amendment silliness. n/t

[doctor jazz]

28. You don't seem to grasp the simple fact that free speech is exactly what its name says it is.

There are plenty people who feel exactly the same about DU as you do about Faux...are you in their corners too?

[rcrush]

38. Then stop watching it!

You know why nothing ever gets done in this country? Cause people sit on their asses watching tv all damn day. And then they bitch about it! FOX NEWS EATS YOUR BRAIN. JUST LIKE ANY TELEVISION DOES. SO STOP WATCHING IT AND WAKE THE FUCK UP.

[OutNow]

19. Look, there is a thing called the Bill of Rights

The Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments to the Constitution, is critical to upholding the rule of law that the President frequently talks about. The very first amendment ensures freedom of speech. This freedom allows Fox News to say just about anything it wants to.

I don't like Fox News so I don't turn it on. That's the solution. Your "fine line" between treason and free speech is one of your own making. In Constitutional law treason has a very narrow definition, and Fox News doesn't even come close to it.

Why yes, I have been a member of the ACLU for 33 years, why do you ask?

[Laelth]

21. Even lies, and especially political lies, are protected speech.

What's bizarre is that many Americans think the TV can't lie. "They said it on TV," some Americans think, "so, it must be true." Nonsense. Lots of lies are spread in print and on the airwaves, and we generally tolerate them due to the 1st Amendment.

Fox is evil, and they lie. All the same, their lies are protected by the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

:dem:

-Laelth

[conscious evolution]

22. fux is a war criminal organization

Poisoning peoples minds with lies and hatred is considered a crime against humanity.

Let the International Criminal Court have a go at them.

[Raskolnik]

24. I'm going to go ahead and assume you are being sarcastic.

Please, please let it be so.

[conscious evolution]

33. Not even close to being sarcastic

It is a crime against humanity to poison peoples minds using the media.
Don't believe me? Google the names Julius Striecher,Ferdinand Nahimana or Hassan Ngeze to see what happens to war criminals who use the media as a means of disseminating hatred and violence.

[Uncle Joe]

25. As reprehensible as FAUX News is, anyone attacking their First Amendment Right likewise

is attacking our First Amendment Right as well.

The First Amendment protects all of the American People's Freedom of Speech, not just those people that you agree with.

If they're inciting a violent act, against the President, that's something for the Secret Service to investigate.

But if you're stating that FAUX News should be shut down, you're only a breath away from suggesting the American People via the Internet should have their First Amendment Rights forfeited as well.

Should the Internet be shut down?

[Antirepubmachine]

26. I am all for free speech...but

if someone says something that is wrong they really need to be shut the hell up. I don't think that the 1st ammendment was ment to protect the "former" status que, it was ment for progressives to have a chance to be heard. I can't wait for the day when spouting off republican drivel is made a felony and we can lock them away where they belong.

[Raskolnik]

27. Good try. n/t

[doctor jazz]

29. Actually it was a miserably failing try.

:eyes:

[GA_ArmyVet]

31. Alright, now that is just stupid....

Please be joking...Please....

No one can call themself progressive that wants to shut down someone elses right to disagree with them...It is the definition of repressive.

Please be joking

[Richard Steele]

32. But you aren't.

nm

[AllieB]

36. Ummm, nice try making progressives look foolish.

[spanone]

30. at best they should be treated as a political action committee

[Odin2005]

34. Fux-Snooze = The American Pravda.

[Romulox]

35. OP sounds like a "false flag" troll to me. nt

[RB TexLa]

37. Sure, I mean after all it's just "A God damn piece of paper," right?

[KharmaTrain]

39. Faux Is A Gift That Keeps Giving...

Faux made Al Franken the Senator from Minnesota. Faux made Barack Obama President. It wasn't overt, but a byproduct of how "successful" they've been.

When Faux first came around in '96, it was a novelty...masking their rushpublican connections or motives in Clinton hate and then wrapping themselves in a flag and as boosters for "responsibility". They then moved into playing mouthpiece for the booosh regime and didn't fare so well...as booosh's credibility and popularity faded, so did theirs. Now they're back in the minority and trying to cater to those remaining in a very splintered rushpublican party.

Their game has been called many times in recent years. While it attracts a large audience in terms of cable viewership...the devil is in the details. Many of these viewers are 50+...the network's under 30 numbers are microscopic. And their 2 million or so viewers each night don't even represent 10% of those who voted for McCain last November. A telling example of this rift was the "straw poll" vote at the recent CPAC hatefest. None of the candidates garnered 20%...and this is from the "die hards" of the party. It shows how really divided their party is and how out of touch they've become with the majority of the electorate.

The more Faux shills for the rushpublicans...whose popularity swirls at the bottom of the popularity numbers...the more detached they become and less credible they are. They're choking on their own hypocrisies as just as many people tune into an Olbermann or Stewart or Colbert each night to laugh AT Faux than tune in and take them seriously.

[chrisa]

40. Part of Free Speech is allowing them to talk.

There is SOME news on Fox News (before 5pm-ish, where they try to pass opinion off as news).

We let the KKK speak sometimes in cities. They're far worse than Fox News.