1. Breaking Corporate Power vs 2. Breaking the GOP

[denem]

The reason I ask is that

1. Breaking Corporate Power, if possible, will be a long process; and

2. The tipping point where the corporate powers that be desert the GOP may be fairly near.

The difference between 1980, when Reagan's coalition was formed and today is that the GOP has lost the intellectual argument. Prominent conservatives are leaving, the new wave emerging represented Palin/Bachmann/Beck/Teabaggers, are, at best, inept. Corporations may decide the Democratic Party is a better bet for business.

The last time the GOP split was a disaster for the United States. The progressives, led by TR, walked out, leaving the isolationist, small government, laissez faire rump to rebuild then rule the 1920s.

What about now? Would you accept corporate backing, the MSM and lobbyists swinging behind the Democratic Party, in exchange for winning the culture wars, enforcing the Bill of Rights, some corporate concessions on minimum wage and taxes, better infrastructure, education, greener energy and even Big Business abandoning the Health Insurance Industry, in the pursuit of lower expenses?

You know why am asking this :)

[Xipe Totec]

1. I prefer breaking the GOP

no contest.

[denem]

3. Even if that involves a highly partisan, pro-Democratic MSM?

[Xipe Totec]

4. Uh, yea, Duh!

This is the DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, last I checked...

:shrug:

[HillbillyBob]

2. We need to break corporate power, the gop seems to be doing it

all by themselves. It is time for people power to hell with corpses.

[Uncle Joe]

5. I believe corporate supremacy is the ultimate antagonist to effective change.

If you don't break the ideology of corporate supremacy and put the people in charge of their own government, what have you won?

If the mega-corporations give you five dollars, they will take ten.

I believe if the Democratic Party changes from a people centric party to a corporate centric one, everything is lost.

The Republican Party is going down because of their rigid belief in corporate supremacy over the individual and this myopic non-vision has damaged the nation to the point of exposing the Republicans for what they are. It would seem ludicrous to me for the People's Party to adopt the Republican losing ways for a few silver coins.

[denem]

6. Corporations couldn't give two figs for the culture wars.

or an anti-science agenda. That is settled around the rest of world where they make profits. That's change they wouldn't oppose.

[Uncle Joe]

7. Corporate supremacy over the people and to some extent the government is the preeminent culture war.

If they didn't give two figs about about this, they've done a piss poor job of showing their lack of concern over the past hundred + years.

They've fought to dumb down the American People in regards to virtually all information that could adversely effect their short term corporate profits over the people and indeed civilization's health, whether it was tobacco, seat belts for cars, health care, global warming climate change etc. etc, until they were literally forced to do so by government action or overwhelming public opposition.

They imprison the American People for profit, they fight against the individual's freedom, privacy and liberty with an insane war against drugs turning what should be an educational, medical and or personal privacy issue in to a criminal one, while they simultaneously push legal drugs on the nightly news. Increasingly they encroach on the American Citizens' private lives; that have nothing to do with their ability to work effectively and much of this is done to disenfranchise the American People from their government.

They have become super citizens with lobbying power and influence far outstripping, the American People's ability to relate and influence their representative government.

The only saving grace as of late for the people has been the Internet; threatening the corporate media's monopoly on information while diminishing the ability for them to brain wash the American People, as they did during the run up to the war with Iraq. I have no doubt this is precisely why Al Gore was trashed and slandered for the better part of two years prior to the selection of 2000 by the corporate media as they enabled an unqualified Bush to the most powerful job in the land.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights is the contract between the people, their states and the union, the corporations have inserted them selves into this mix with disastrous consequences to our democratic republic, it's time they got out. A corporation is not a person and money damn sure isn't speech, any short term gains you may realize by climbing into bed with them will be illusory at best for so long as those two dynamics remain in place.