The good faith talking point

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Former CIA Director Hayden is already pushing these talking points:

1) The torture program was extremely valuable.

2) Revealing details about the program will harm national security.

Senator Bond is also making these claims.

At what point do we stop pretending that torture was a good faith effort to prevent terrorist attacks? At what point do pro-torture officials stop getting a pass when they play the patriot card?

1) Hayden lied about 9/11. He has never accounted for his conduct while head of the NSA. The bigshots at the CIA lied about 9/11. Officials like Tenet have never accounted for their bizarre pre-9/11 conduct.

2) Torture isn't a reliable method of interrogation. We had the unreal NY Times article by Scott Shane where he reported that one of the main CIA interrogators didn't speak Arabic, didn't have a counterterrorism background and had no interrogation experience. Evidently this interrogator talked to high level al Qaeda detainees in between torture sessions. From available reports (i.e. Mayer's book The Dark Side and Suskind's book The One Percent Doctrine) we learn that the torture didn't work as claimed by its' advocates.

3) The use of torture has disgraced the country.

We are supposed to accept the use of torture because some corrupt officials told us they couldn't do their jobs without it? That is absurd. When is the patriotism of the pro-torture crowd going to be up for review?

[Solly Mack]

1. kick

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2. Good faith? WTF?

Torture is a violation of human rights and inherently an act of bad faith. These are some truly depraved and disgusting people.

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3. Good faith came out of our hero's own lips

Oh, that's Obama. We can't prosecute the CIA guys because they did this in "good faith" because they had memos that said it was okay. Which of course, is utter horshit. Unlike the hillbilly Lyndie England's of the world-they knew what torture was. They were career CIA. They knew what they hell they were doing. Letting people hang from hooks for days shitting themselves-if they didn't know that was torture well I guess, they can claim the "in stupidity clause."