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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:33 PM
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Don't miss Keith's special comment on the rerun at 10 after Rachel. He is taking on
our President, rightly so, for not following through on investigating and prosecuting the previous administration in the light of clear orders given to torture prisoners.
He lauds Obama for letting the memos become public, but he says in this case going half way is more dangerous than to not do anything.
He calls Obama's seeming decisions on this subect wrong, and he makes ablolute sense to me, as he goes through World history and points out times when the inaction of properly ending a situation, of not following through on logical necessary closures, when just that brought about more trouble and new events that were triggered by the unfinished ones before.
Go Keith, it took courage to do this, and he did it perfectly in my view.
I am now going to find the photo of steel balls I have sent to him before and do it again with writing to MSNBC and praise them for employing Keith Olberman.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:37 PM
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1. Holder never said Bush Administration officials wouldn't be prosecuted. He said CIA agents
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:41 PM
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2. Jeez, I just cannot see how that makes it any different
"Just following orders" is an INCREDIBLY dangerous precedent to set, isn't it? Wasn't that what Nuremberg was all about?

If people don't need to rely on their conscience any more, what's left?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:55 PM
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5. What's left is people being held accountable..
for giving the orders, and those following through with the orders telling all. I don't imagine that will stop the detainee's and prisoners from suing them though, will it?
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 08:28 PM
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6. The point is that it's not an either/or proposition
Prosecuting ALL who engaged in torture, at whatever level, is the right and appropriate thing to do.

Period.

Sorry, I just cannot see how compromise (yet again) on this issue does anything worthwhile.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:24 PM
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7. You'll have to go back quite a ways...
Was there ever a time that the CIA didn't torture? We even teach it at the School of the Americas. The whole reason why the CIA demanded legal verification time and time again, is that they knew it was illegal. I think someone will be prosecuted, but it will probably be members of the military. It's what we do.
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:41 PM
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3. Look at how the warrantless surveillance argument
worked. We were told the telecom companies and NSA employees shouldn't be punished. Yet the Obama administration pulled out the state secrets act to protect White House officials from judicial review.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:42 PM
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4. I know. John Dean pointed that out to Keith and Keith acted like he didn't know that. If he didn't
know that much then he shouldn't have done a special comment. Keith is a better legal scholar then John Dean and Obama, I guess.:eyes:
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:56 PM
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8. He is so dreamy...sigh.
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