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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:19 AM
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'A Ton More People Were Wiretapped Than We've Been Led To Believe': FBI Whistleblower Thomas Tamm
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 02:21 AM by Hissyspit
http://www.alternet.org/rights/137260/%27a_ton_more_people_were_wiretapped_than_we%27ve_been_led_to_believe%27%3A_fbi_whistleblower_thomas_tamm

'A Ton More People Were Wiretapped Than We've Been Led to Believe': FBI Whistleblower Thomas Tamm

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted April 18, 2009.

The man who blew the lid off Bush's spying program believes more details on government spying must, and will, come to light.

This week the New York Times revealed that the National Security Agency has continued spying on Americans well into the Obama era, with government officials listening in on phone conversations and monitoring e-mails on a massive scale.

Times reporters James Risen and Eric Lichtblau -- who broke the story of the Bush administration's domestic spying program in December 2004 -- reported that "in recent months," the NSA has engaged in an "overcollection" of domestic communication, far exceeding the already broad legal limits Congress established when it passed legislation to legalize the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program and granting immunity for the telecoms that enabled it.

The same article reveals that in 2005 or 2006, the NSA attempted to wiretap an unidentified member of Congress, lending further credence to speculation earlier this year by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., that he might have been spied on.

For many who have followed the long political saga that saw warrantless wiretapping revealed, debated and ultimately legalized at the hands of Congress, this report comes as no surprise.

"Everyone knew that the FISA bill, which congressional Democrats passed -- and which George Bush and Dick Cheney celebrated -- would enable these surveillance abuses," Glenn Greenwald wrote after the story broke.

Nevertheless, for many people it may come as a shock that, 3 1/2 years after the illegal program was uncovered, not only has the government continued to spy on Americans with total impunity, most of the details of Bush's warrantless wiretapping scheme remain a mystery.

"What really concerns me is that we still don't know the truth," Thomas Tamm, a former FBI official told me me over the phone this week. "We do not know what they did."

Tamm should know. He is the person who blew the whistle on the NSA spying program, a former employee of the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review, a highly sensitive unit of the Justice Department. He remained anonymous for years, until his identity was revealed in a front-page story by Newsweek reporter Michael Isikoff late last year.

The article described how Tamm, a veteran employee of the FBI, came across proof that the U.S. government had been unlawfully eavesdropping on Americans by intercepting domestic communications.

"The idea of lawlessness at the Justice Department angered him," Isikoff wrote. After many sleepless nights and frustrating conversations with his superiors -- "supervisors told him to drop the subject" -- he decided he could no longer keep the abuse to himself.

Finally, one day during his lunch hour, Tamm ducked into a subway station near the U.S. District Courthouse on Pennsylvania Avenue. He headed for a pair of adjoining pay phones partially concealed by large, illuminated Metro maps. Tamm had been eyeing the phone booths on his way to work in the morning. Now, as he slipped through the parade of midday subway riders, his heart was pounding, his body trembling. Tamm felt like a spy. After looking around to make sure nobody was watching, he picked up a phone and called the New York Times.
What Tamm revealed would not be reported for a year-and-a-half, when Risen and Litchblau published their now-famous front page story. They went on to win the Pulitzer Prize. Meanwhile, Tamm "has not fared as well."

"The FBI has pursued him relentlessly for the past 2 1/2 years," Isikoff wrote. "Agents have raided his house, hauled away personal possessions and grilled his wife, a teenage daughter and a grown son. More recently, they've been questioning Tamm's friends and associates about nearly every aspect of his life.

"Tamm has resisted pressure to plead to a felony for divulging classified information. But he is living under a pall, never sure if, or when, federal agents might arrest him."

Tamm remains in a sort of legal limbo, with the Department of Justice informing him that no decision on whether to prosecute him would be made until Barack Obama took office. Four months into Obama's term, however, Tamm has not heard anything.

MUCH MORE AT LINK

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:21 AM
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1. K&R
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:21 AM
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2. K&R
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:23 AM
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3. K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:27 AM
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4. Thomas Tamm trivia: Apparently his uncle joined the FBI
when it was still small and new and, he named it and came up with the motto, fidelity, bravery, integrity.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:32 AM
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5. Rachel Maddow w/ guest Thomas Tamm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKeLNj9OUI



Stunning Our Govt still Violating FISA LAW! Thomas Tamm FISA Whistleblower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M91gpvCGxiA
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:13 AM
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6. K&R
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:22 AM
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7. K&R I thought it was already common knowledge NSA/telecoms were spying on millions of dissidents?
...as in, very broad sweeps that obviously red-flagged certain words, phrases, websites, purchases, etc
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 11:20 AM
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16. read this book - The Cuckoo's Egg
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 11:21 AM by populistdriven
http://search.a1books.com/cgi-bin/mktSearch?act=showDesc&code=gbase&rel=1&ITEM_CODE=0671726889

it explains the origins of echelon which grew into todays capability where every phone conversation in the country is translated real time into text, datawarehoused, indexed and searched for key phrases.

the computing power required to do this can fit in a small apartment

it is nearly trivial with todays technology
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 08:41 AM
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39. But, I'm watching the American Idol rerun for the third time ...
We have been saying this all along, but society is still controlled by the corporate media, not our voices.

Deja DU: Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution?
Nov-09-2007 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2245762

I was told years ago that ALL fiber optic communication traffic was routed overseas so that "everything" was moved outside the protections of the law and Constitution and ANYTHING could be monitored. I thought the idea quite fantastic even though it came from a very reliable source that would know exactly such things. Then, the story of the fiber optic splitters hit my radar. I now see now how easily exactly that, routing ALL COMMUNICATIONS overseas, was accomplished.

Is that Bush's and the Telecom's HUGE crime hidden and covered-up behind this story?

.............
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:19 AM
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8. I would call Thomas Tamm and his fellow whistleblowers
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 08:20 AM by dgibby
true Patriots, but that would probably land me on some gov't watch list.

Oh, wait---I post on DU. Oops! Too late!
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:46 AM
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9. And this is how BushCo co-opted certain Democrats
and kept the Republics all goose-stepping together, with the unspoken threat of personal or political blackmail with intelligence gathered by illegally spying on them.

I would bet Cheney was in charge of this little operation.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:53 AM
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10. It's funny, re such conspiratorial ideas...
...because it's obvious that any govt, state, power structure etc is of course going to 'conspire' in various ways to hide and disguise crimes. However, I've never been able to fully get on board w/the idea that dems somehow went along w/the long list of crimes, atrocities and cover ups over the past 8 yrs via the blackmail angle. Just doesn't add up.

An overarching sense of, say, members of a VERY restricted, elite club, even tho many may not like each other on a personal or business level, who, when it comes down to the nitty gritty, will all pretty much side with one another to protect the power of their club, and its multitude of vested intere$ts
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 10:48 AM
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15. the bonesmen are here
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:07 PM
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25. That's right. Preserving the Institutution is always more important than any particular faction or
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 02:11 PM by leveymg
individual interest. At least, that's the way it usually works. Even the seeming renegades seem to work in the long-term interest of the corporate body. Modified limited hang-outs to selected outlets, like the NYT, Woodward, Hersh are SOP. Factions and private spin-offs are permitted, encouraged even, as G.W. Bush showed when he lined up the Agency with Saudi funders in creating the Safari Club in 1976, when it is to preserve or empower the whole in the face of outside Congressional interference. Some really do stray off the reservation, and reveal too much -- like Colby -- and they eventually meet violent ends. Long memories, these institutions.

Once you're in, you're in. Those who aren't, aren't.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:34 PM
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31. Pelosi Was the Ringleader in the Surrender of the Democrats
she took the country's integrity off the table.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:54 AM
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11. Well duh!
I thought that was going to be a given.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:57 AM
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12. I have to wonder why anyone take trust the word of a person who'd lie about torture.
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 08:57 AM by originalpckelly
This country is such a bunch of fucking morons. If someone can lie about torture, then it should be immediately clear they can lie about anything else.

We should never have believed the former President when he lied to us about the scope of these programs, or his staff's assertions regarding them.

To do so was fucking naive, it's like we're all a bunch of idiots.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:39 PM
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21. WELL MANY OF US DIDN'T "believed the former President when he lied to us "
many of us don't believe any of the fu'ers in DC..even our own party..it is our responsibility to not believe them but to question everything......but one could be fooled just reading DU..

or getting treated nasty by many here because we dare to question!!

As far as I know there are still parts of the Constitution in effect..at least for the time being..and i still regard it my responsibility to be one of those.."we the people's"

fly
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:58 AM
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13. Now why was Ted Stevens a priority?
But this isn't?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 10:15 AM
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14. And we wonder why Obama and congressional Democrats are slow to act
on a lot of issues we were hoping and expecting them to move on.

The shadow government has them all blackmailed right and left and six ways from Sunday. :scared:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 01:41 PM
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23. You've Got It! Everyone is Being Blackmailed and Threatened


and if the blackmail doesn't work, they've got this anthrax, or they can make your airplane fall out of the sky.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:51 PM
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26. Just like Jon Stewart
You nailed it!

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:35 PM
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32. I understand the Wellstone thing, but
if someone did something bad enough to be blackmailed for... then he doesn't belong in office to begin with.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 10:34 PM
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37. It Doesn't Have to be Real! They Can Cut and Paste It Until It Sounds Bad Enough
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 11:45 AM
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17. Kickin
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 11:52 AM
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18. Surely this would include every journalist for every MSM outlet.
nt
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:06 PM
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19. Democrats are guilty as hell in this. Obama's giving them a pass. n/t
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:10 PM
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20. If this was a more just country
those FBI agents who have been harassing Tamm and his family will be prosecuted for their actions.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 01:04 PM
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22. K&R
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:02 PM
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24. Is this really a surprise at this point?
I've never given the Bush crime family any credit for having even the smallest grain of truth in anything they say.

Regards
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 03:50 PM
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27. Oh great, wait until
the homeland security people start torturing now.

Oh...I forgot, the govt doesn't do that anymore.



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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 05:02 PM
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28. K&R.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 06:21 PM
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29. EVERYONE was wiretapped
Carte Blanche
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:32 PM
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30. Everybody on this thread speaks in past tense
When it is certainly still going on.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 07:51 PM
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33. Duh!
:banghead:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:12 PM
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34. knr n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:13 PM
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35. Oh well, it's time for reflection, not retribution.
:sarcasm:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 09:06 PM
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36. And the thanks Thomas Tamm has gotten for this is to have FISA extended to cover
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 09:06 PM by defendandprotect
the violations--!!!

PLUS being threatened, personally harassed and having his family harassed--!!!

Congress has to do more to help whistleblowers . . .

There should be some way we can all help?


And I'm sure a TON MORE PEOPLE have been wiretapped -- just review what Nixon had been

doing way back in Watergate --- !!!

Nixon's unprosecuted crimes paved the way for Bush/Cheney --

FISA is a violation of our Constitution as it was .... without extending imm unity to

criminal administration officials and criminal corporations!




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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 11:07 PM
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38. Interesting that Jay Rockefeller might have been eavesdropped on
Edited on Sat Apr-18-09 11:07 PM by MasonJar
since he was one of primary dems pushing for immunity for telecons.
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