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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:26 PM Original message |
Doesn't it strike anyone as strange that Obama released the torture memos |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. He's not going to prosecute, but who knows maybe public outcry would cause Congress |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Maybe that's what he wants by stirring the pot with memos |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. As best as I can read between the lines... |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think he doesn't want to put himself in the middle of that mess. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Spain has backed off from prosecuting and I think it's because |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. Have you seen this from Jane Hamsher? |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. So do I |
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MikeE (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. I also think it may be a way to |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. It makes me wonder if he is trying to get the American people to stand up and ... |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
57. They better do. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. I don't get how the release of these memos is not seen as a huge win. |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. Great OP and you may be onto something. I just don't buy that he |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. But Olbermann and Turley are doing a good job of making people angry |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Good point. I was a little surprised with POTUS's response. But now |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yesterday's date wasn't a sudden decision |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
12. I think he's fishing for bipartisan support for prosecution |
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s-cubed (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
13. Until most Americans accept the idea that many people |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Yes, it's quite possible that the timing is wrong right now |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
15. He needs to build a consensus |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
16. Great OP and great responses. Imagine the President proclaiming "Off with their heads"? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
19. The election is over. We won! |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. So you think the torture memos are just fluffy talking points? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. It might be political currency |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Hillary is now Secretary of State. You think the Republicans got her? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. She's fabulous |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
62. They didn't write memos about it. False comparison. nt |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
20. His decisive action is what speaks volumes to me. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
25. When Spain backed off and said they will wait for us to act, that made me |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
26. "the dots" have been visible years while Obama has parroted the memes |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. It's what you say that will make it happen. It's really up to us |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. I think so too. . . |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. Great post-it should be an OP. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
28. You are on to something. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. Trying to connect the "dots" of the DC group think that Obama parrots |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. The dots may not be what we want to hear, but they're there |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. But, looking to "connect the dots" to explain Obama's mind-boggling refusal to prosecute. . . |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #53 |
64. Connecting the dots is not an idle way to pass time as you infer |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
30. No. We're way past wishful thinking -- we're at the point of deciding if we're a nation of laws |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I think we had that dilemma when the Supreme Court anointed Bush |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
31. Yeahm someone doing the right things is always shocking... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
33. He released them under pressure by the ACLU. He gave the thugs a free pass for political reasons. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Obama can stand pressure. All he had to say was "National Security" and |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Apparently, his taste for pressure failed him this time. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. 'apparently' is the key word |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Then, why didn't he? Rather than give a pre-pardon to the criminals? |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Do you know if any of the little fish... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Why would they say anything if they weren't facing prosecution? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I already said I didn't know if anyone was talking or even |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. So, we shouldn't try criminals because it's dangerous to them? |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. First of all I don't believe.. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. No. Dangerous to us. |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. A danger to you yes. But other than you imagine. |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. No he didn't. He's a pretty smart cookie. He timed the doc release to look |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Rigggghhht. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
35. President Obama is a very cagey man. He will deliver the goods in time. nt |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Or maybe we will |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Yes. Perhaps he hopes to nudge the voters into leaning hard on their congresscritters.... |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
37. Spain is probably |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
44. I think he may have done it for a couple of reasons... |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
49. Prosecuting CIA agents will 'out' them just like Valerie Plame was 'outed' |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Excuse me. "real terrorist groups"? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
63. I don't disagree with that |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
60. What is cagey about the prosecutions issue? The Military Commissions Act is clear, crystal clear |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
61. No. n/t |
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Psychic Consortium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
65. "He plants, he cultivates, he harvests..." |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
66. He was under court order ... |
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