Torturers’ Logic Fails “Holy F*ck” Test

[kpete]

Torturers’ Logic Fails “Holy F*ck” Test
By: Spencer Ackerman Saturday April 18, 2009 5:02 pm

Greg Sargent makes a great point about the torture memos:
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/former-bushies-claim-that-obama-revealed-torture-secrets-is-largely-bogus/

What was actually revealed in yesterday’s memos was the nature of the Bush administration’s efforts to legalize and justify the “harsh interrogation techniques” that we mostly knew about already. And it’s not terribly difficult to imagine why some folks would want those legal efforts kept under wraps.

That's apropos of the chorus of Bush officials -- see this Politico piece, http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21338.html for instance; or this Michael Mukasey/Mike Hayden op-ed -- http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21338.html who are saying that Obama irresponsibly revealed CIA torture techniques. He revealed them, in all likelihood, because he's forsworn them, and to move on. As Greg says, we knew most of this stuff had happened. (Obama noted the same thing yesterday.) What really rankles these people is that their ability to harmonize putting someone in a "confinement box" with insects with statutes and treaties that expressly forbid torture is now entirely on display.

Let's put it another way. One thing that the August 1, 2002 Yoo/Bybee torture memo -- the one released in 2004 -- focuses on is the alleged difficulty of defining what interrogation procedures would "shock the conscience" of a reasonable individual, since that standard is rather salient when it comes to the federal anti-torture statute. By taking a deliberately agnostic stance on the prospect of ever finding such a consensus around "reasonableness" -- hey, it's a wide world out there, what shocks me might not shock you, so who's to say -- you wind up with absurdities like rubber-stamping as humane our confinement box of insects. As it happens, when a conservative friend of mine read that the Justice Department had blessed putting people in a confinement box of insects, he IM'd me to say "Holy Fuck." Miracle of miracles: putting someone in a confinement box of insects makes people say Holy Fuck. We have our reasonable-individual standard reaction.

Indeed, the only person who doesn't mind putting someone in an enclosed space with insects is Buffalo Bill from "The Silence of the Lambs." The memos reveal that for a long time, the government of the United States adopted his moral standards. If you had been guided by that legal reasoning, you'd do whatever was in your power to keep it from the public, since you know what they'll say. Holy Fuck.


http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/04/17/you-gotta-keep-it-confidential/

[walldude]

1. The fact that he even has to say this stuff is disturbing

We actually have to defend the position of not wanting to torture. Bush and his crony's have really done a number on us.

[ixion]

2. US to world: It puts the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again

seriously.

[rhett o rick]

3. You have such a way with words. K & R. nm

[Solly Mack]

4. K&R