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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:29 PM Original message |
Poll question: If several states were to vote to secede from the Union tomorrow, |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. No, we would just create martyrs and myths like the Alamo |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. Let them go. Let them support and defend themselves. No immigraton. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Well, that would improve employment--how do you guard the border? nt |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. residual teabaggers. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
62. How would several states seceding improve employment on either side? n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Because cliffordu's caveat was "No immigration!" |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 05:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. There may be more border guards, but there would be less of something else. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Well, those border guards would spend their salary at the local store. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 07:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. The border guards would be spending locally, but the air traffic controllers and park rangers |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Well, that's all well and good, but I'm not working within that fictional construct. |
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47of74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. It would have to depend on why the states were seceding |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. They believe that states have the right to withdraw from the Constitution, |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. would they keep any nuclear arsenal? |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. So if it was a reason you favored then it would be ok? |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. The REASON - IS - totall THE point... |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes. If they didn't take them back, the USFG would basically be condoning seccesion. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. I can't parse that acronym; what is it? (nt) |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. United States Federal Government. nt |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Oh! Duh. Thanks (nt) |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. No, but if the secessionists started a shooting war about it, the answer is yes. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Suppose the situation is similar to that of the American Civil War. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. Wasn't the first shot in the Civil War fired on an American fort by the |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Yes. They considered the Federal effort to resupply Fort Sumter, |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Given that most of our military bases are there now the same circum |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
45. I would still wait for them to shoot first. They may never do so. But if they did, |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. If Texas/Alaska left we would just invade it for the oil anyways..... |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
11. Crush the secession, repeal right-to-work laws, redraw congressional districts |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Redraw states. No readmission this time. We'll gerrymander on a state level. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
12. United we stand, divided we fall. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. I think that States should be... |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. Tweety crushed some RW TX Congressman with facts that TX is a fed gov $$ recipient |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
15. It depends on the REASON... |
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47of74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That's where I am myself |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. So your opinion on the legality of secession |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Not the "politics" but the REASONS... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Those look like the same reasons to me. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
21. Nope. Hanging on to states that hate us aren't worth the lives of our kids. |
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OxQQme (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Ecotopia |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. What if we handled it like Kosovo and merely bombed the shit out of them until they gave up? |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
24. Wouldn't that be the law? n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Why would the law matter for this question? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
26. No, I wouldn't want to see violence. Just let them go. nt |
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Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
27. To anyone who thinks just "letting them go" is a good idea |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Secession of some states... |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
29. It could be good news for the rest of the US; and perhaps for the secessonists, too. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
32. No. nt |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. let 'em go but |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. fight for cool states like Alaska and Hawaii, Mississippi & Alabama, not so much |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Minorities in Miss and AL would be left without federal civil rights protections. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. damn it, you got me there. I don't think they'd bring back slavery though... |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I think they would bring back a Jim Crow like system. Seriously. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Let minorities migrate. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
38. If it came to that, yes. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
40. kill em all and let God sort em out! |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
42. I would support a war effort against such treason absolutely 100% |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. Yes. No state has the right to secede from the Union. |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
48. Absolutely! Treason should never go unpunished. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
49. Absolutely not. I wouldn't even try to resolve it at this point |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. So are you saying that secession is legal? |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I guess that depends on who or what says that it's illegal |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
52. No. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. They are now. What happens when New York wants to secede? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
56. the malcontent fundy nutjob "state's right" xtian taliban NEED a place of their own |
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960 (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
57. Of course not. |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
58. I say no. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
60. I'd be willing to sit at the negotiating table a lot longer for California and |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-19-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
61. No. If they want to leave, fuck 'em... |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 04:07 AM Response to Original message |
64. I voted yes |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 05:28 AM Response to Original message |
66. Hell no, let 'em go! |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
68. return them to territory status |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
71. The land is ours, so yes. I say put the people who vote to secede |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
72. Certainly. They have no legal right to secede. Round the leaders up |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
73. Yes. I think it's somewhere in the constitution... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-20-09 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
74. You really think Texas & Georgia are going to do us such a big favor? |
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