Throw Jane Harman overboard

[bluestateguy]

Her district voted over 64% for Obama. The seat is safe (D). She should be encouraged to leave Congress.

[BuyingThyme]

1. Don't bother with a life jacket.

[aquart]

2. You really think they only tapped one?

[Fireweed247]

8. They most likely tapped them all

And judging on how Bushco got away with everything...it appears they all had something with which to blackmail them.

This explains our current Congress and they all need to be thrown out of office. WE cannot wait for an 'election'

[TorchTheWitch]

24. HARMON herself was not tapped

She had a conversation with someone else who was being tapped in which she hung herself out to dry. This isn't about congress critters being illegally tapped (although I'm willing to bet cash money that there are cases of exactly that). THIS case is not one where Harmon herself was tapped either legally or illegally because she wasn't in THIS instance... the person she had the conversation with was the one being tapped.

[H2O Man]

26. Correct.

The AIPAC/neocon espionage case is perhaps the most significant of all domestic scandals from the bush=CHENEY era. And federal investigators were listening closely to a number of participants. Harmon was on the outside initially, but was willing to prostitute herself and abuse the power of office, and that is how she came to be on record.

This scandal, which is unlikely to ever be accurately reported on in the mainstream media, involves many elected officials and unelected people who influence foreign policy. It includes a number of republicans, but it is not exclusively their scandal.

[jody]

3. 64% for Obama and 69% for Harman. n/t

[HereSince1628]

4. Not long ago it was Harmon for President! She was compromised

by a combination of events. And I suspect that one of those events involved cooperation between the AIPAC, Donny Rumsfelds boys, and the NSA.

The people of her district can decide her fate in Congress.

But the question remains to how many other Democratic leaders have been similarly black-mailed.

[Howardx]

6. bull

she was more than happy to play ball with aipac for her own personal gain. she needs to go.

[HereSince1628]

9. Of course, one of the events was her playing ball. Traps are baited to attract mice

That's how the game of political black-mail is played.

[Howardx]

10. not buying it

shes not a victim here.

[HereSince1628]

11. I am saying she was used, that's different than being a victim.

I am also saying that calls for her expulsion are about as precipitous as were calls for her presidential candidacy. Time usually coughs up more information and consequently patience allows better decisions.

The people of her district are the ones empowered to remove her from Congress. I can wait for that.

The bigger question for me is how many other Democrats were ensnared and used by the black politics of the Cheney Administration?

[havocmom]

12. Used, maybe, but with her consent. As to others, I reckon there will be more going away.

Getting busted for it is just part of the risk she took, knowingly.

Throw her away. Clean house.

[HereSince1628]

14. Certainly her security clearance seems compromised. Her committee membership

on the intelligence committee, and any other committee requiring a security clearance, should be suspended until there is a resolution of an investigation.

I am not so sure that other's aren't similarly compromised. I've wondered for years about what hold back Pelosi and Reid except some fear of revealing similar compromising behavior of themselves or high placed others.

[Howardx]

13. used perhaps

in the same way con men are generally successful with the greedy.

[HereSince1628]

17. Sure, as I said, traps are baited because they attract mice.

That is how the game of compromise is done. This is why money (including campaign contributions), sexuality/sexual orientation, drug and alcohol use, etc., are concerns to those granting security clearances.

While it is true that expunging a compromised person rids the party of the burden of a publicly compromised member, other questions remain...

1 Who else is similarly compromised?
2 Who went after this particular compromised person?
3 Why go after this particular person so publicly?


The answer could be, you've finally found your mole.
The answer could also be that the person being used won't play ball with you.

Of course we will ultimately be fed an answer by someone who wants us to know his or her version.

[walldude]

16. The last thing she said in that conversation was

"this conversation doesn't exist". Regardless of the fact that I am 100% against wiretapping, that is the sign of a person that thinks the rules and laws don't apply to them. Maybe instead of being upset at the "black politics" we should be upset that Democrats are doing something that warrants getting busted.

[HereSince1628]

19. Sure, all of the above. If she hadn't compromised herself

none of this would be an issue for her.

But in the day-to-day play of DC politics don't you think that it is as Machiavellian as ever?

If we are to learn the proverbial chess game rather than sit as stupid checkers players, then we'd damned well better learn the moves and watch how the development of an attack takes many steps of play.

We would be unattentive or willingly ignorant to not realize this was a significant play.

[roguevalley]

23. you are only used if you allow it. no is nice, especially in the face of

treason.

[merh]

5. This is not about throwing anyone over board.

This is about holding people accountable for their actions, enforcing the law equally.

I don't care the party, if they break the law, abuse their office, they need to be brought to justice.

[Fireweed247]

7. She should be forced to resign immediately!

What the hell :wtf: :grr:

[DavidDvorkin]

15. I thought it was "under the bus"

I can't keep track.

[DFW]

18. Give a transcript to every paper and blog in her district

That ought to do the trick.

[dkofos]

20. And use pelosi for the anchor.

[Fireweed247]

22. perfect

:rofl:

[JackRiddler]

21. Isn't she the number one recipient of contributions from military-industrial complex?

[spanone]

25. guilty? tried and hanged in du.....

[H2O Man]

27. Guilty.

This is not the only evidence against her. Harmon's role in attempting to cover up this -- and other OVP scandals -- is well documented. She is a snake.

[TacticalPeek]

28. "and these people might be back" - Paul Krugman

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/183


Remember?

She is one of "these people" regardless of party. She should be sent away if only because of her work as a member of the Intel Gang, in which I could find no difference from that of the execrable Senator Pat Robertson.

This will only get uglier and noisier and be a sword for enemies. Congress has enough problems without months of this soap opera.

One doesn't know if there was criminal activity by her until an investigation.

Resign now and move on.

And Krugman's right. She needs to go farther away than Elliot Abrams and John Poindexter et al. were sent because the beat goes on.

[Fireweed247]

29. kick

:kick: