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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:55 PM
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"Heads" Up -- NPR's "All Things Considered" doing a "What if pot were legal?" segment today
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 12:59 PM by Fly by night
Today on National Public Radio's "All Things Considered," a segment will air entitled "What if pot were legal?" This will likely be a 5-8 minute segment, placed somewhere in that two-hour show. If you miss the boradcast, archived ATC shows are available at http://www.npr.org, usually by the evening of the day they are broadcast.

Thought all y'all would be interested in this. Pass the word. Once the spot is aired, feel free to use this thread to comment thereon.

We are the ones we've been waiting for. (And it's about damned time.)

FBN
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:58 PM
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1. I'm pretty sure Obama does not support legalizing cannabis..
I've read several quotes by him to that effect..

I seriously doubt pot will be legal in the US within my lifetime.

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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:00 PM
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2. His administration has already made a sea change in federal policy about medical cannabis
One step at a time....
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:03 PM
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3. Umm....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5496320

President Obama has signaled to Cabinet members that science should be guiding government judgments in controversial matters of medicine and technology, not the prevailing political mood. On Tuesday, however, a government lawyer told three judges of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that the administration wasn't required to explain or retract its statements that marijuana "has no currently accepted medical use."
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:08 PM
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4. How about this?
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 01:09 PM by Fly by night
Barack Obama, U.S. Senator (D-IL), stated in a Mar. 22, 2008 interview with Gary Nelson, Editorial page editor for the Oregon newspaper Mail Tribune:

"When it comes to medical marijuana, I have more of a practical view than anything else. My attitude is that if it's an issue of doctors prescribing medical marijuana as a treatment for glaucoma or as a cancer treatment, I think that should be appropriate because there really is no difference between that and a doctor prescribing morphine or anything else. I think there are legitimate concerns in not wanting to allow people to grow their own or start setting up mom and pop shops because at that point it becomes fairly difficult to regulate.

"I'm not familiar with all the details of the initiative that was passed and what safeguards there were in place, but I think the basic concept that using medical marijuana in the same way, with the same controls as other drugs prescribed by doctors, I think that's entirely appropriate.

"I would not punish doctors if it's prescribed in a way that is appropriate. That may require some changes in federal law.... What I'm not going to be doing is using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue simply because I want folks to be investigating violent crimes and potential terrorism. We've got a lot of things for our law enforcement officers to deal with."

AG Holder is still cleaning all the Bushies out of the USDOJ. Since the ASA lawsuit has been underway for several years now (I helped on it a bit), we may be dealing with one of the Chimp-o-lini hard-line holdovers argung this case.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:14 PM
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5. Meh...
I think there are legitimate concerns in not wanting to allow people to grow their own or start setting up mom and pop shops because at that point it becomes fairly difficult to regulate.

People are allowed to brew their own alcoholic beverages as long as it isn't for sale, it doesn't appear to have become all that "difficult to regulate" since I'm aware of no proposed changes in that law.

So if there is no allowance for growing your own and no allowance for selling it, just *exactly* how are people supposed to acquire cannabis?
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:18 PM
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6. Three states are now moving to license producers to make mmj available as soon as patients need it.
New Mexico, Rhode Island and Oregon.

Hopefully, Tennessee will soon be the fourth. Here, we're working to grow mmj on three of our ten Ag Experiment Station research farms. I've already met with our Commissioner of Agriculture and hope to meet with the U. Tennessee Institte of Agriculture in the next two weeks.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:29 PM
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8. Cannabis is still Schedule 1 and is most likely to remain that way..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act

"Placement on schedules; findings required

Except ... The findings required for each of the schedules are as follows:

(1) Schedule I.—

(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision." <9>

No prescriptions may be written for Schedule I substances, and such substances are subject to production quotas by the DEA.

Under the DEA's interpretation of the CSA, a drug does not necessarily have to have the same abuse potential as heroin or cocaine to merit placement in Schedule I (in fact, cocaine is currently a Schedule II drug due to limited medical use):<8>

When it comes to a drug that is currently listed in schedule I, if it is undisputed that such drug has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and it is further undisputed that the drug has at least some potential for abuse sufficient to warrant control under the CSA, the drug must remain in schedule I. In such circumstances, placement of the drug in schedules II through V would conflict with the CSA since such drug would not meet the criterion of "a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States." 21 USC 812(b).



I think Obama is doing on this issue like he appears to do on a lot of issues, talking out of both sides of his mouth and telling people on both sides of an issue what they want to hear.

Some things really are cut and dried, black and white.. Cannabis is almost infinitely more safe than alcohol, both for the individual and for society. If Obama really and truly wants to let science be the guide to policy then he would be pro legalization, anything less is just playing both sides against the middle.



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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:50 PM
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15. We are working to get three DEA administrative law judges' recommendations reviewed, ...
... two of whom recommended re-scheduling cannabis to somewhere between Schedules II and IV, and the other who recommended allowing researchers other than those at the University of Mississippi to grow cannabis for research purposes.

Stay tuned .... And keep working for a change in cannabis-related law wherever you live. It won't happen of its own accord.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:02 PM
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18. who cares? He's on the wrong side of quite a few issues
but at least he's capable of reason - unlike the Bush true believers.

as a local pol told me not too long ago - the people push the politicians and move the nation forward, not the other way around.

Our pols need to know where we stand on this. Even conservatives think legalization makes sense to stop border violence and claim a majority in Congress would support this - except for the blowback from voters who buy the propaganda these very same pols have been spouting for decades.

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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 01:33 PM
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26. Good point. Welcome to D--
hey, wait a minute, I know this name.
:hi:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 09:28 AM
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27. hi snookie wookums
hugs and kisses
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:20 PM
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7. If it's ever fully legalized
I'm going to buy junk food stocks.

Other than that, I don't expect anything to change but the prison population.

Still, it will be a compromise. We'll get pot, but the stupid drug war will continue against other psychoactive drugs. There are too many men wielding too much power to let it go completely.

It has to end eventually, though. It's the only way to break the gangs.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:31 PM
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10. You are assuming that use under a legalization scenario will rise a great deal..
Empirical evidence in Portugal, which has essentially legalized all recreational drugs, does not support that assumption.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:23 PM
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16. You're right, a lot of us simply outgrew it.
However, even I would make Alice B. Toklas brownies once or twice a year, just for a special treat.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:40 PM
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13. If Marijuana is legalized I would suggest shorting for profit prison stocks.
Maybe we can reduce our world record breaking prison population here in the land of the free and home of the brave.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:51 PM
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17. I read recently that more than half of prison admits these days ...
... are folks on probation or parole (now called "supervised release") who are remanded to custody for violating the terms of their p/p. Generally for having a "dirty" pee-pee. (Sorry, don't have the link).

When I was in the federal Bureau of Prisons halfway houses, many of my fellow residents said that, although they preferred pot, they soon learned that they could use cocaine, meth, heroin, prescription mood-alterers and alcohol heavily on Friday night and be able to piss clean on Monday. But with cannabis, one joint put them at risk (for two weeks or more) of returning to the joint.

That is the one and only circumstance where I will admit that cannabis functions as a gateway drug.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:30 PM
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9. and this on the heels of last night's Family Guy episode!?
n/t
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:33 PM
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11. A litte context would be nice...
I rarely watch TV..
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:36 PM
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12. Their "4/20" episode last night was entirely about legalizing marijuana
... the original reasons hemp was demonized, etc.

I just posted a clip from the episode in the video section...

fairly amazing thing to see on network TV in general, and Fox in particular...

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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:43 PM
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14. Marijuana is DANGEROUS!
If you don't believe me, just ask

http://steponnopets.com/peo/dylan.html">Bob Dylan!



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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 03:58 PM
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19. Well, I'm sorry I promoted that sack o' shit of a story
--- Not a single drug policy reformer interviewed for the story

--- Incorrect information on the public health aspects of cannabis use and on teen use in countries with less draconian cannabis laws than our own

--- An MS patient who declares she uses cannabis "to escape her body" (not to reduce spasticity and MS-related pain, not to mention slowing the progression of the disease).

Now I know where all the ONDCP drug worriers went -- to All Things Considered.

Once again, sorry I brought attention to that non-story.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:08 PM
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20. Here's the email I just sent ATC
To "All Things Considered":

You folks should be ashamed of yourselves for such a poorly researched piece on the potential effects of marijuana legalization. I was particularly offended (and irritated) by your misstatements regarding the impact of less restrictive access to cannabis by adults in the Netherlands on teenage marijuana use there. I have included two references below (with links) that demonstrate that Dutch teen cannabis use is still about half the levels found in the US. There was no spike in teen use in the Netherlands after their coffee shops opened -- none whatsoever.

It was also very frustrating to hear your multiple sclerosis patient describe using cannabis to let her "escape her body". How about the use of cannabis by MS patients to reduce pain and muscle spasticity and to slow the progression of the disease? That fact, which has been well-documented by medical research in a number of countries, is why every state that has legalized medical cannabis here (thirteen now, soon to be seventeen or more) allows its use by MS patients. It is also why surveys of MS patients in Great Britain document cannabis use by over 40% of them, even in the harsh legal climate they face today. (Estimates of cannabis use by MS patients in the US range from 25%-40% also.)

Perhaps the final insult (to our intelligence) was from your two fake farmers who complain that they are left with just "seeds and stems" after paying taxes and giving the retailer his cut. How about $500/pound? Does that sound like "seeds and stems"? Although that amount is perhaps only one-sixth what pot farmers can make today on the illicit market, it sure beats the return from beans and corn. It is also the amount we are working with in several states (New Mexico, Rhode Island, Oregon and -- soon -- Tennessee) as a reasonable return for legal medical cannabis farmers. Reasonable -- heck, it's a king's ransom.

To do your entire story without interviewing a single drug policy reformer or legitimate cannabis producer -- or even the health department program staff who administer medical cannabis programs in thirteen states -- was a travesty. You owe your listeners a reality-based rebuttal to this story that was simply painful to listen to. Particularly for folks like me who have lost almost everything we have for the "crime" of providing cannabis (free of charge, I might add) to terminally ill neighbors. Come on, NPR. If I had wanted more of the propaganda pablum being shoveled by our nation's drug worriers, I'd talk to the ex-sheriff in a neighboring county. If, that is, he weren't now on probation after being convicted of selling Lortabs and other pharmaceutical poison to our area's youth.

If you ever want to get real on this vitally important subject, feel free to get in touch.

FBN
Federal Bureau of Prisons # 16502-075
(www.saveberniesfarm.com)

Now for just three of many references your reporter could have found on Google with a few clicks of his mouse.

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The war on drugs may be actually increasing, not decreasing, teen drug use.... Such are the responses provoked by a study released this month. The European School Survey Project on Alcohol and Other Drugs (ESPAD) survey, comparing drug use between American teenagers and European teenagers, found that a much higher percentage of American teenagers consume illicit drugs than do their European counterparts.

The study, which was released last month at a meeting of the World Health Organization in Stockholm, was conducted by questioning tenth graders from nationally representative samples. 110,000 teens from Europe and the US participated in the questionnaire.

One of the ironies of the drug war is that where it was been waged most loudly and enthusiastically is precisely the place where teen drug use is now most entrenched. Conversely where drug war rhetoric is comparatively mute, teen usage of illicit drugs is much lower. In the Netherlands, for example, which has the most liberal drug policy in Europe and where marijuana is effectively legal, marijuana use among teens is actually lower than in the United States. The survey found 28% of Dutch teens smoked marijuana as compared with 41% of American teens, and 23% of American teens had experimented with other illicit drugs as compared with only 6% of European teens. (Link: http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/176/eurostudy.shtml)

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The prohibition of marijuana does not reduce use among teens. On the contrary, it creates an unregulated black market for this product, which makes marijuana easier for youth to obtain than cigarettes or alcohol.2 Prohibition of marijuana exposes children to other drugs on the illicit drug market.

The Netherlands addresses the gateway problem, in which marijuana use leads to use of harder drugs, by implementing policies to decriminalize the use and sale of small amounts of marijuana. By moving marijuana sales into coffee shops and off the streets, the Netherlands drastically reduced the gateway effect and youth usage.3

“Coffee shops” appeared in Amsterdam in 1976 as a means of separating the market for marijuana from harder drugs, closing the dealers’ “gateway” from marijuana to cocaine and heroin. A 1999 study conducted by the Trimbos Institute found that 20% of Dutch teens aged 15-16 had tried marijuana, and less than one in 1,000 had tried heroin. The same year the European Drug Monitoring Centre found 40 % of teens the same age from Great Britain, which has a similar prohibition policy as the U.S., had tried cannabis, and one in 50 had used heroin.4

In 1994, only 0.3 % of 12- to 17-year-olds in Amsterdam had ever tried cocaine. The rate among American 12- to 17-year-olds was 1.7%, more than 5 times as prevalent.5

The gateway theory that marijuana use leads to use of harder drugs, is a result of prohibition policy rather than the physiological effect of marijuana. Simply put, when youth buy marijuana from black market dealers, the dealers can push harder drugs.

(Link: http://sensiblecolorado.org/cmi/youth/)
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Research findings on cannabis and MS

Numerous case studies, surveys and double-blind studies have reported improvement in patients treated with cannabinoids for symptoms including spasticity, chronic pain, tremor, sexual dysfunction, bowel and bladder dysfunctions, vision dimness, dysfunctions of walking and balance (ataxia), and memory loss.12-20 Cannabinoids have been shown in animal models to measurably lessen MS symptoms and may also halt the progression of the disease.21

A recent British survey of MS patients found that 43 percent of respondents used cannabis therapeutically. Among them, nearly three quarters said that cannabis mitigated their spasms, and more than half said it alleviated their pain. A survey published in August 2003 in the Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences reported that 96 percent of Canadian MS patients believe that cannabis is therapeutically useful for treating the disease. Of those who admitted using cannabis medicinally, the majority found it to be beneficial, particularly in the treatment of chronic pain, spasticity, and depression.22 The accompanying editorial states, "This is an exciting time for cannabinoid research. There is a growing amount of data to suggest that cannabis (marijuana) can alleviate symptoms like muscle spasticity and pain in patients with MS."23
(Link: http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=4558#research)


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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:34 PM
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21. I suspected it would turn out like that..
I used to really like and respect ATC, I haven't even listened to it in several years now, they moved a long way to the right after Bushie took power..

Not your fault that the jerks at ATC pulled the story out of their collective asses..

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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 08:03 PM
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22. So goddamned disappointing. I understand why it is treated like this,
but I keep getting my hopes up.

Not a single mention of freedom regarding not locking up potheads. It all had dollars and cents attached to it; as if freedom in and of itself is negligible. I understand that is the programming they want us to hear: freedom isn't a right, it's a privilege. I get it; I get it.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 11:26 AM
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23. One last (very disturbing) comment
Read and weep for the NPR we all once knew. I sent this email to Robert Siegal and Michelle Norris ("All Things Considered" hosts) this morning:
----
Robert and Michelle,

So far, you have over ten pages of on-line listener comments attached to your very poorly done and propagandistic "what if pot were legal?" story, running about 10-to-1 in favor of legalization. Yesterday, I posted two comments there myself. Early this morning, I was pleased to see that one of my comments had 14 "recommendations" from other posters and the second comment had 10 recs.

However, just now as I was getting ready to log off my computer, I noticed that the recs on one of my comments had dropped to 11 and the other had dropped to 4 recs. How could that happen (i.e., counting backwards) without someone at NPR manipulating the recommendations? Furthermore, why (other than the obvious) would you want to do that?

What on earth has happened to the NPR I once knew, loved and contributed to? Someone there should be ashamed of themselves (and fired) for manipulating the recommendations on my posts (or anyone else's). Perhaps that person should consider switching careers to sell unverifiable electronic voting equipment -- the only other place where counting backwards seems common (and generally undetectable). Shame on you for your dishonesty.

Most assuredly,

FBN
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 11:31 AM
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24. Ouch..
That's pretty despicable..

I regret to day I'm not surprised.

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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 01:08 PM
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25. They just replied to your concerns. You must have hit a nerve.
Andy Carvin (acarvin) wrote:

I just wanted to let you know that what you experienced is a software bug that has been plaguing our community tools for some time now and is in the process of being fixed. The bug is causing random fluctuations when it displays the number of comments and recommendations. <strong />Under no circumstances</strong> would NPR ever manipulate the number of recommendations for a story or a comment, as that would be a serious breach of trust.

Our tech team is working on the problem all of this week and into next week, so I'm hoping it will be resolved shortly. I'm truly sorry if the number fluctuation has caused you grief. Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to follow up.

thanks,
andy
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