Pirates... Obama fail...

[Bigmack]

Well, that's what the new RW email says.

A buddy is still in communication with some of his RW friends, and he sent me this.... (I'll spare you the whole thing)

Unsigned, of course. Snopes doesn't have it... too new, I suspect.

Anybody have anything on it, other than the ususal bullshit detection alarm going off?
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-snips-

Now The Truth Comes Out

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO (Barrack) wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL(anti-terrorist) teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB (rescue ship) came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN (captain) and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscene commander decided
he’d had enough.

Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its
team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting
standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

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[MADem]

1. Ah, a transmission directly from the bridge of the USS BARCOLOUNGER!!!

Yeah, that bigmouth has "all the detes."

Please. This shit is stupid.

[left coaster]

8. "..from the bridge of the USS BARCOLOUNGER"

F*ck me, that's funny!

I have to remember that one.

[dae]

13. LOL, and I as well.

[WeDidIt]

2. Tell 'em to put up or shut up.

1) SEALs cannot talk about operational procedures regardless of what some bloviating rihgtwingnut says in an email, it's a violation of security protocols and the SEAL would be prosecuted under the UCMJ if he did so.
2) SEALs cannot talk about operational procedures regardless of what some bloviating rihgtwingnut says in an email, it's a violation of security protocols and the SEAL would be prosecuted under the UCMJ if he did so.
3) SEALs cannot talk about operational procedures regardless of what some bloviating rihgtwingnut says in an email, it's a violation of security protocols and the SEAL would be prosecuted under the UCMJ if he did so.
4) SEALs cannot talk about operational procedures regardless of what some bloviating rihgtwingnut says in an email, it's a violation of security protocols and the SEAL would be prosecuted under the UCMJ if he did so.
5) SEALs cannot talk about operational procedures regardless of what some bloviating rihgtwingnut says in an email, it's a violation of security protocols and the SEAL would be prosecuted under the UCMJ if he did so.
6) SEALs cannot talk about operational procedures regardless of what some bloviating rihgtwingnut says in an email, it's a violation of security protocols and the SEAL would be prosecuted under the UCMJ if he did so.
7) SEALs cannot talk about operational procedures regardless of what some bloviating rihgtwingnut says in an email, it's a violation of security protocols and the SEAL would be prosecuted under the UCMJ if he did so.

They're full of bullshit because, even if their bullshit was true, any SEAL revealing that information would have violated his security clearance and would be court martialed for it.

[Dawgs]

3. According to the Obama administration he authorized every request by the military.

Someone is lying.

And, it is not Obama.

[WeDidIt]

5. The emailer is lying

SEALs cannot talk about operational procedures regardless of what some bloviating rihgtwingnut says in an email, it's a violation of security protocols and the SEAL would be prosecuted under the UCMJ if he did so.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Yet ANOTHER Freeper with back-channel dope

They all claim to have friends in the CIA, NSA, the SEALs, etc.

Every single lying one of them.

It's just another "barstool patriot" pulling shit out of his ass.

--d!

[Politicalboi]

32. Yes that is strange

They all seem to know this ex CIA agent. LOL!

[aquart]

6. And their problem with a perfect rescue would be...what?

That the pirates were killed? One pirate lived? The captain lived? The SEALs had appointments to be elsewhere?

[pnutbutr]

9. maybe

that it took four days to shoot some dumbass terrorists in a dingy.

[stillcool]

20. Shoot first, ask questions later?

you're not happy are you?

[pnutbutr]

21. uh

They tried to take over the ship, then took the captain hostage, backed out of numerous deals to trade the captain and threatened to kill him. Maybe we should have offered them some tea by the fire to discuss it like gentlemen. Personally I think we need to Predator drone a few pirate dingy's out of the water before they ever get to the ships. Send a message that it isn't gonna work anymore. If we keep appeasing them and paying ransoms it will go on forever. Go check out what Jefferson did with the Barbary pirates after he got fed up with previous presidents just paying higher and higher ransoms.

[stillcool]

23. I could guess what you would think...

When would you like to start bombing Somalia?

[pnutbutr]

24. Nice leap there hulk

[Mike Daniels]

27. You do know that Jefferson signed a treaty with the pirates, correct?

The treaty basically had us still paying some sort of tribute and on top of that we sold out the "alternative" that we were trying to install as the leader.

It wasn't until several years later that Decatur and others finally put an effective end to the piracy and tributes of the Barbary states.

[pnutbutr]

33. Jefferson

worked on some talks and treaties while he was secretary of state. Once he became president, Tripoli demanded a yearly tribute be paid as well as additional tributes for the captured ships. During his presidency he sent naval fleets to the Mediterranean to fight the pirates and continued to pay tributes for the return of captured men. Decatur and Bainbridge were successful at ending tribute payments with a treaty in I think 1815.

[Binka]

35. Got Your Copy And Post On?

We need some jelly baby.

[kestrel91316]

31. Back seat drivers and Monday morning quarterbacks don't impress me.

You have marked yourself as one of the bloodthirsty "kill all the damned Mooslims first and ask questions later" types.

[pnutbutr]

34. um

It has nothing to do with muslims. These guys tried to take over a peaceful cargo ship and took the captain hostage for four days. They are terrorists with the most shallow goal of all, money.

[merh]

26. Does the safety of the hostage make any difference to you?

I'm sure they could have taken out the terrorists earlier if the safety of the hostage didn't matter, what do you think?

Welcome to DU, btw - don't think you will be here long though.

[InternalDialogue]

12. I was just going to respond similarly:

So despite all the "problems" this emailer cites, the rescue was effected safely. How do you complain about that? On the contrary, I'd offer that had the Navy not done things in the order they did them and at the time they did them, something might have gone wrong.

[Renew Deal]

29. Their problem is the captain lived.

[Mike Daniels]

7. Same old, "I heard from friends...a.k.a. "the voices in my head..."

If this actually happened the way this loser tries to portray it you know FOX News would have had a high-up Republican from Congress or a potential 2012 candidate on air within 24 hours of the rescue spinning this angle.

FOX News didn't so quite simply the "author's" friends are probably a bunch of losers he plays Halo or Gears of War with and this is some crap they came up with while playing at being soldiers.

[Zomby Woof]

10. They don't do smart in Va Beach

SEAL-wannabe pals, no doubt. That place is crawling with them.

[pnutbutr]

11. washpost story

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/12/AR2009041202645.html

[dysfunctional press]

15. "they shot him and the other two in the hatches,"...

and here i had thought that they had shot them in the head.(although i couldn't figure out why they would have been using the toilet at the time...:silly:

[MineralMan]

18. One was shot in the fracas. That had to hurt.

[bemildred]

14. Ignorant lies. nt

[Bicoastal]

16. Honestly, who cares?

The people who believe everything they read in these anonymous emails are too dumb (or indoctrinated) to bother with.

[MineralMan]

17. Yah...his SEAL buddies....right. Most likely the type of seal that

has been beaten on the head too many times in Canada.

[Ganja Ninja]

19. "7. BHO immediately claims credit..."

I don't remember him dressing up in a flight-suit and codpiece and strutting around like he was Patton? Did I miss something?

[Renew Deal]

30. And besides that, Obama doesn't deserve credit or blame.

He had no control over the situation other than signing the orders. It was 95% up to the military, 5% FBI.

[whoneedstickets]

22. #3 can't be true, the story was that shots were fired...

when the captain tried to escape the first time. if that isn't imminent danger (#2) what is?

[petronius]

25. But- but- but this guy used all those acronyms! It's gotta be true!

:silly:

[Renew Deal]

28. #3 is contradicted by #1

Obama didn't let the Seals come in for 36 hours, yet Phillips jumped within 24 hours. And no Navy seals are talking to these RW dirtbags.

[TexasObserver]

36. This is typical of the rightwing. They MAKE SHIT UP.

[malaise]

37. What else can they if all they want is

FAIL.