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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 04:57 PM
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Poll question: Hugo Chavez is ...
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:00 PM
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1. Several of these are not mutually exclusive, ya know....
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:14 PM
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7. Oh well, I always mess up my polls one way or another!
Edited on Mon Apr-20-09 05:16 PM by ColbertWatcher
Just pick the one that best represents your opinion, or post what your opinion is.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:01 PM
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2. The New York Times vs. Hugo Chavez
The New York Times Versus Chavez

By GREG GRANDIN

You can tell that the US-led campaign against Hugo Chávez has reached a critical stage when the New York Times starts providing rhetorical cover for Condoleezza Rice's and Donald Rumsfeld's increasingly desperate efforts to isolate the Venezuelan president.

Chile's center-left president Michelle Bachelet -- who Rice name-drops every chance she gets to prove she can have socialist friends -- just last week warned Washington not to "demonize" Chávez. Yet despite this endorsement from Latin America's most lauded reformer, the Times on Saturday ran a 1300-word, front-page hatchet job by Juan Forero titled "Seeking United Latin America, Venezuela's Chávez Is a Divider; Some Neighbors Resent His Style as Meddlesome."

The article quotes seven sources, all openly anti-Chávez save for Brazil's president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. Lula, like Bachelet, has repeatedly defended his Venezuelan counterpart against Washington. But Forero ignores this support, instead choosing to cherry-pick through Lula's public statements to find, and take out of context, a rare criticism.

Other supposedly objective comments come from the center-right -- NYU's Jorge Castañeda -- to the Right-Right -- Johns Hopkin's Riordan Roett -- of the political spectrum. Its worth noting that Roett's primary claim to fame was a 1995 memo he wrote while an emerging-market consultant to Chase Manhattan Bank urging the Mexican government to "eliminate the Zapatistas" and to slowdown democratic reforms. Now that's "meddlesome."
http://www.counterpunch.com/grandin05202006.html
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:03 PM
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3. Basic Facts on Venezuela
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/basicfacts


Basic Facts on Venezuela

Political System

Government type: Federal republic, with five branches of government: executive, legislative, judiciary, electoral, and citizen.

Capital: Caracas

Executive branch: President Hugo Chavez Frias (since February 3, 1999) Chief of state and head of government are held by the president elected by popular vote for a six-year term with a two consecutive term limit. The Council of Ministers is appointed by the president. On December 3rd, 2006, Hugo Chavez was reelected president with 62.9% of the vote against Manuel Rosales with 36.9%, (Next election December, 2012)

Legislative Branch: Unicameral National Assembly or Asamblea Nacional (167 seats; members elected by popular vote to serve five-year terms; three seats reserved for the indigenous peoples of Venezuela). Pro-government parties control all 167 seats of the Assembly (MVR 114, PODEMOS 15, PPT 11, indigenous 2, other 25) due to the opposition boycott of the 2005 legislative elections.

Judicial Branch: Supreme Tribunal of Justice or Tribunal Suprema de Justicia. Magistrates are elected by the National assembly for a single 12-year term.

Electoral Branch: National Electoral Council or Consejo Electoral Nacional (CNE) administers all elections, including those held within civil society. Its five principal members are elected by the National Assembly for a seven-year term. The current president of the CNE is Tibisay Lucena.

Citizen Branch: This branch ensures that citizens and government officials follow the countries laws. It consists of the Attorney General (or Prosecutor General), the Comptroller General, and the Defender of the People (Human Rights Ombudsperson).
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:26 PM
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9. Fascinating. The Venezuelan government includes "electoral" and "citizen" branches?
How does that work!?

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:04 PM
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4. ...is trying to do something for the people of his country rather than the corporations
for which reason the US hates him.

(I'm not saying he won't get carried away and exercise too much power in trying to achieve his objectives -- we'll have to wait and see -- but I think his objectives are far better than those of almost any US politician.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:12 PM
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5. It's not only the media. It's the media + the State Department
as I found out when I tried to track down the disinfo that the 2007 referendum would not have international monitors. Wild.


December 4, 2007
Swiftboat on the Rocks 3: He's not a Dictator?
By Elizabeth Ferrari

For anyone who hasn’t had time to keep up, the news is that the peaceful, progressive leader of Venezuela lost the vote on constitutional reforms in a transparent and orderly election. (Meanwhile, the ex-KGB violence prone leader of Russia stole an election and for some reason, there is no State Department concern over this. The Cold War must really be over!)

Why did the referendum in Venezuela garner tens of thousands of words in our press and barely a word about Russia even after it should have been a matter of simple research that Venezuela elections are clean but Russia’s are not?

On Friday, the New York Times printed the implication that the vote in Venezuela would not be monitored. I don’t know if they got that from State, but State was promulgating this falsehood because it appeared in other outlets such as the Chicago Tribune. Of course the election (held on cleaner systems than Florida has seen for a long, bad time) was monitored. The NAACP and the National Lawyers Guild were among the monitoring agencies. Yet, this “not monitored” meme was promulgated all over. In all fairness to the New York Times, they failed to cover Ohio in 2004 just as well.

Saturday, the Washington Post and the New York Times ran dueling hit pieces on Chavez. Between them, they compared him to every modern authoritarian except King Kong. That might have just been burn out. The hit pieces, as I tracked them about a month out from the election, went from being about one a week to one a day in the last week. That’s got to wear on any writer worth their propaganda.

(The smear escalated to the point where they had to drag out an ex-wife, an ex-friend and a bono fide poor person. The bottom of that barrel must be very clean.)

Sunday, the English language press was treated to an OpEd by Donald Rumsfeld accusing Mr. Chavez of being a danger to democracy. This is the same Rumsfeld who said the problem with Abu Ghraib was digital cameras. I’m not sure why this person isn’t in custody for war crimes, and I’m sure the paper’s readership is wondering why a war criminal is allowed to propagandize on the editorial page. Or, perhaps, we aren’t. We’ve known too many Spaniards, to lift a phrase from the “Princess Bride”.

Whether or not the $8 million tax dollars that USAID sent to the opposition was effective or decisive is difficult to tell. The opposition handed out flyers claiming the referendum would make your children wards of the state. Untrue but most likely, frightening to working people. It may be more important for American citizens to understand that we paid for that disinformation ahead of a democratic election in Venezuela. Is this how we want our money to be spent? And, will we recognize the same tactics when they are deployed against our lawful elections, too? These are questions any American who values their vote might want to ask.

The controlling US government meme in the last week was “president for life” even though the referendum would grant Chavez no such power. But, it was repeated over and over in just about every major American media outlet. My own local Fox News outlet surprised me on Friday night by misreporting this story. This is a station that reports our local high school football game scores. I’ve lived here all my life and I’ve never heard any local channel pronounce “Venezuela” before. That’s how thick the disinformation was over the weekend.

Whatever the back story is, and there is much good information to suggest a concerted effort to manipulate the vote in Venezuela, we need to attend to how the American media reported Venezuela for the last month. The misinformation was overwhelming and it accessed just about every level of government. It went out over national and local television outlets. There was a chorus of the willing in the print press.

If any of us believe our government will only use these tactics on Venezuela or in other countries and not domestically, we are making a very important mistake.

As for Mr. Chavez, his public image has only been burnished by his gracious response to the outcome of the vote and the world has been reminded that Venezuela is a vigorous democracy. I look forward to the time when the United States can enjoy a gracious leader and a vigorous democracy, too.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_elizabet_071204_swiftboat_on_the_roc.htm
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:23 PM
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8. The current State Dept or the PREVIOUS State Dept? n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:28 PM
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12. There are still plenty of holdovers. I'm watching
that right now. What I've seen is a lot of anti-Chavez material being put up on their website -- as if to get it up before anyone notices.

We'll have to see. :shrug:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:30 PM
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13. You're correct, I forgot about the burrowed.
OT, I think "The Burrowed" would make a great horror movie.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:33 PM
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14. A rock opera, like Rocky Horror.
lol

:)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:27 PM
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11. Great article, then, and now. Where did the former Mrs. Chavez go?
They were determined to get some mileage from that divorce, even tried to run her for office.

That bright idea didn't get them far. You know the opposition is desperate by the time they realize they don't have any current material which further their cause, and start rummaging around in someone's divorce. That one just didn't get off the ground.

Thank you for pointing out a case in which you actually caught these creeps trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes about Hugo Chavez, implying his referendum would be conducted illegitimately. They always assume no one can catch them, or, if they are caught, most people are too indiffent, anyway, to notice, only really noticing the original accusations.

Those of us who do care about getting to the truth appreciate your extra effort in finding it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 06:08 PM
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15. Shopping? I don't know. She only seems to be trotted out
when the opposition wants her for a vote.
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Riceburningluva Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:13 PM
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6. I have no problem with him
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 05:27 PM
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10. He EVIL!
:sarcasm:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 06:47 PM
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16. Well, he turned me into a newt!
i got better...
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:16 PM
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17. Burn him anyway!
Most definitely :sarcasm: !
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:28 PM
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18. It's too late for me to add that in. Sorry. n/t
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:39 AM
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19. A threat to the region..
..because he's funneling arms to FARC to continue the civil war in Columbia and because he uses troops to squash dissent in his own country. I swear; there's so much love for authoritarian/totalitarian states here sometimes.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 04:42 AM
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20. LOL! What's the matter? Did Hugo Chavez steal your cable?
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