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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 08:34 AM Original message |
Where is the Clergy on the issue of Torture? |
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rcrush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. You expect the child molesters to say something? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. The OP didn't list one Roman Catholic. nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. Didn't mention these either. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
56. Apparently "the clergy" and "the church" define all churches and |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
52. hmmmm... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. Render unto the torturer that which is the torturers and unto the offering plate 10% |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. They are too busy trying to get people to sign petitions protesting Obama's Notre Dame appearance |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. Many religions have embraced torture as a means of quelling dissent. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. Hung over from the last tea party, unfortunately |
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Cass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
6. WP: Religious Leaders Urge U.S. to Ban Torture from June '06 |
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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. How about right now??? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Right now? I'm sure they still want torture abolished, and sinners forgiven |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Those are very important statements and very welcome but I think |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
82. Yes, they should support the death penalty for torture |
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ninety lives (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
7. The media doesn't like covering religious figures |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Warren has a TV show that is his own to do with as he wishes |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
9. Given the positions of organized religion on a host of issues, I really |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
10. AMEN!! |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
11. Clergy who??, churches are not interchangable.. But here are the two I am connected with |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. Thank you, Peacetrain... |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Hi polmaven, my son is UMC, |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. That is correct, sort of |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. That was a proposal... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
81. Do the UMC and the UCC support enforcement of the federal anti-torture statute? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
83. Thanks, Peacetrain |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
12. "Quaker Initiative to End Torture" (Religious Society of Friends) |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yes the Quakers have been very active, and they were targeted also |
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Beer Snob-50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
15. this is something that disturbs me about the catholic church |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
88. But these so-called "human beings" are non-Christians. That might be part of it. nm |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
16. The clergy and the bulk of the 'faithful' |
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jacksonian (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. for some, religion means I've got a club to bash you with |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
77. Google is your friend...if you really are intellectually curious |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
84. While I agree with the frustration in the rest of your post |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
19. "What would Jesus say?" |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. In Other Words it is a SIN. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. The justice system wasn't forgiving in his case... |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
34. "Jesus was good to forgive sins but he acknowleged they were indeed sins" |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Okay, so we acknowledge torture is bad, and "move forward" |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. NO. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. "Forgiving a sin does not cause the act to become okay. Its still a sin." |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Huh? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Jesus Pardoned Torture |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Then I dissent |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. What didn't they know? |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Yes. I am saying that's a critical qualifier. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. That's not the relevant torture passage..... |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. My passage explains what your passage means - The Will of God |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
76. But they weren't acting in ignorance.... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. "for they know not what they do." |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. NO. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. They believed in lots of Gods. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. "which he pretty much was, assuming he existed" |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. You're welcome. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Quite the opposite. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. That's great. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Will do! |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Whoa. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Nevertheless, he's defending torturers. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. What makes any act inherently wrong? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. "We all have our own moral compass" |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. In that case, I would have refused to do it |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. I imagine many people believe |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. you "imagine"...? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
22. Which clergy of which church? The fact that you've capitalized 'church' implies |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. I was wondering the same thing |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
25. "United Methodists Do Not Torture" - Official position and call to action |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
26. K&R |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
29. When they feel the pain, they know god loves them. Atone. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
32. Most nondenominational clergy probably like torture |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
36. Torture is the little pile in front of the big pile that is the invasion. Where were they for that? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. All the mainstream churches protested the Iraq War before it started |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. I know. All of that is true. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
59. It is disgusting. To assume all churches and clergy are |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
40. Here's where the Episcopal Church is: |
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TNOE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
89. The Baptist Churches didn't |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
45. The Unitarian Universalists condemned the Military Commisions Act |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
48. Remebering Lynndie England. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
87. There you see we do take torture seriously. We prosecuted Ms. England. What more can we do?? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
49. Guess what? We have heard from the Church on the issue of torture after all |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. They don't want to listen. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. yes, it is a hit-and-run |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
55. Which church? I am guessing the answer |
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Ocracoker16 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
65. For the record |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
69. Very good thread |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
70. i've asked this question....is this not a human rights issue? |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
71. Most fundamentalists support bushco policy |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
72. They're way too busy fighting the horrible evil of gay people |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
74. I think this video explains it well |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. perfect |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
75. burning witches |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
85. dolan is too busy blocking gay marriage in ny to worry about torture |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-22-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
86. "The" Clergy? "The" Church? In this country we have multitudes. You really need to be specific... |
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