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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:31 PM
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I don't trust Zelikow - blocked memos exposing pre-9/11 warnings by Richard Clarke

http://www.newsweek.com/id/107492

Enough Blame for All
New book reveals clashes behind the 9/11 probe

By Michael Isikoff | Newsweek Web Exclusive


In the summer of 2003, Warren Bass, an investigator for the 9/11 Commission, was digging through highly classified National Security Council documents when he came across a trove of material that startled him. Buried in the files of former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, the documents seemed to confirm charges that the Bush White House had ignored repeated warnings about the threat posed by Osama bin Laden. Clarke, it turned out, had bombarded national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice in the summer of 2001 with impassioned e-mails and memos warning of an Al Qaeda attack—and urging a more forceful U.S. government response. One e-mail jumped out: it pleaded with officials to imagine how they would feel after a tragedy where "hundreds of Americans lay dead in several countries, including the U.S.," adding that "that future day could happen at any time." The memo was written on Tuesday, Sept. 4, 2001—just one week before the attacks on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

But when Bass tried to impress the significance of what he had discovered upon the panel, he ran into what he thought was a roadblock—his boss. Philip Zelikow, a respected University of Virginia historian hired to be the 9/11 Commission's executive director, had long been friendly with Rice. The two had coauthored a book. Rice had later placed him on a Bush transition team that reorganized the NSC (and ended up diminishing Clarke's role). At Rice's request, Zelikow had also anonymously drafted a new Bush national-security paper in September 2002 that laid out the case for preventive war.

In commission staff meetings, Zelikow disparaged Clarke as an egomaniac and braggart who was unjustly slandering his friend Rice, according to a new book, "The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation," by New York Times reporter Philip Shenon. Bass was so disturbed by what he saw as Zelikow's bullying that at one point he threatened to resign. So did a Democratic commissioner, Bob Kerrey, when he discovered Zelikow's ties to the administration. "Look, Tom, either he goes or I go," Kerrey told the panel's chairman, Republican Tom Kean, about Zelikow, according to Shenon.

Shenon's account uncovers a far greater degree of behind-the-scenes political maneuvering and bitter personal clashes than most people associate with the 9/11 panel. Most notably, his book reveals that Zelikow exchanged at least four phone calls in the early stages of the inquiry with White House political adviser Karl Rove. Zelikow (who later worked for Rice at the State Department) is quoted in the book as saying the phone calls had to do with University of Virginia matters, not the commission. In any case, the suggestion by conspiracy theorists—who have seized on the evidence in Shenon's book—that Zelikow was serving as a secret White House "mole" is hard to sustain. As some of the 9/11 commissioners themselves pointed out, Zelikow—despite his occasionally abrasive style—oversaw the production of a hard-hitting report that disclosed an unprecedented amount of previously secret information. Its highly damning revelations exposed negligence in both the Bush and Clinton administrations. "He was totally dedicated to a full airing of the facts," Lee Hamilton, the Democratic vice chairman of the panel, told Newsweek.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:37 PM
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1. Hopefully Zelikov will ultimately come clean and tell all he knows: Jesus, wouldn't that be
sweet! :P
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:41 PM
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2. Isikoff - completely discredited reporter. Zilikow - completely discredited Bush lover.
Great combo.

Isikoff's conclusion about Zilikow's "part in getting out the facts" - total crap.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:45 PM
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3. You got that right!
you know that quote that Ron Susskind reported from "An Anonymous Bush OFFicial" about how they are busy building new realities and the rest of us sit around studying what they do? Everyone seems to think Karl Rove said it, but I always thought it was Zelikow.

His job is to design alternate perceptual universes and make vast populations believe what he says.

I certainly have my doubts about this new reality he is spinning. For example, Zellikow is the same political entity as condi Rice.
And she was at all the torture discussions, made policy, and carried it out.

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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:50 PM
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4. watching him on Rachael last night.....
something seemed "off" to me...
can't really articulate it...
just a gut feeling that he was either
covering something...or being dishonest.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:56 PM
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6. I kind of feel the same way..
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:18 PM
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8. The mere fact that he was on her show sent up flags.
But I tend to ignore my own subconscious much of the time. That is the lesson I've been learning on DU.

I'm so glad Isikoff and others are working away on this stuff. Because I have little doubt there is something rotten going on. I saw his body language. However, I may have misread it. He wasn't giving anything away. He's hiding something.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:11 PM
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12. Isikoff never wants to get to the facts on Repubs.
He is one of their best enablers.

BTW, you are aware he wrote that article over a year ago...?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:52 PM
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5. Yeah, right...
"He was totally dedicated to a full airing of the facts," Lee Hamilton, the Democratic vice chairman of the panel, told Newsweek."

:rofl: That old whore.....
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:10 AM
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14. I find your comment
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 01:12 AM by autorank
particularly unfair to whores!

:rofl:

Question for you -- with the right bailing on Cheney and the other DBSM torture crew, I'm thinking
that there's even more on this, stuff that is even beyond what's coming out now. Zekilow is a master
er ... well he's worse than a whore but his client is the right wing power structure and HE IS BAILING.

What gives?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:57 AM
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18. Rather than hang together
they decided to hang separately.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:36 PM
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25. Got it. They're now "pro choice." Some progress;)
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:57 PM
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7. Zelikow is trying to cover his tush because he
sees the shoe falling.
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SalviaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:00 PM
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10. That's my take too: Zelikow is in big time CYA mode.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 09:50 AM
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23. That's all we're gonna hear from now on, now that it's made CBS.
Bush/Cheney were attempting to find cover all along, with the constant semantic debate over the last 8 years about what constitutes legal or illegal, allowable, or not, Geneva or not, by claiming that these guys weren't soldiers, they were enemy combatants.

So the top has been attempting this from the start, knowing all along they were going to pay for all this.

And now, they can't put us on red alert and scare us into complacency.

This, and the economic fiasco, keep making the case for GOP short sightedness. Sure, they're greedy and lazy and selfish and contemptable, but they're also basically unable to look into the future and predict what the effect of their actions will be down the road.

They have all the vision of a cockroach.

They won't plan for a post-oil economy, global warming, health care, social security. They can't plan, so, they can't lead.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:38 PM
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9. Zelikow was to the 9/11 Commission what Dulles was to the Warren Commission.
Chief Obstructionist, Cover-up Maestro, what you will.

Wouldn't trust him on anything.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:10 PM
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11. I watched this last night
got the feeling he was covering his ass bigtime..who can blame him. They destroyed all the memos...but he disputed the other opinion! I don't trust him either. It does show the rats are coming out, every man for themselves!

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:09 AM
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13. Zekikow was the GATEKEEPER. Sabra is right for $800!!!
I read "The Commission by Phillip Shenon, which I found highly instructive.

Zekikow was there to lock up the results of the 911 Commission. He was a great choice and he
did his job. We got no truth, none. The best part was redacted - the part about Saudi support
for the plot.

A side note: Snedon didn't take Hamilton and Keane to task for hiring this Bush opeative as
staff director. The out was, Zekilow's resume didn't include his role in the Bush 2000 transition
team working for Rice. Well, I read that, googled Zekiloe in the 2000 news section and it was
right there. Hamilton and Keane are apparently unaware of Google. More b.s.


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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 08:13 AM
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21. The 9/11 commissioners violated the Convention Against Torture.
Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

Article 15


Each State Party shall ensure that any statement which is established to have been made as a result of torture shall not be invoked as evidence in any proceedings, except against a person accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made.

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/h_cat39.htm




I find it very illuminating that not a single member has come forward to denounce their final work product for having used statements that were made as a result of torture.

They KNEW this was an important issue when they wrote their report, and they now must KNOW that folks were tortured by the interrogators in direct response to the questions that the commission submitted.

From the text box that they actually included on page 146 of the official 9/11 Commission Report:

Chapters 5 and 7 rely heavily on information obtained from captured al-Qaeda members. A number of these ‘detainees’ have firsthand knowledge of the 9/11 plot. Assessing the truth of statements by these witnesses—sworn enemies of the United States—is challenging. Our access to them has been limited to the review of intelligence reports based on communications received from the locations where the actual interrogations take place. We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process. We have nonetheless decided to include information from captured 9/11 conspirators and al-Qaeda members in our report. We have evaluated their statements carefully and have attempted to corroborate them with documents and statements of others. In this report, we indicate where such statements provide the foundation for our narrative. We have been authorized to identify by name only ten detainees whose custody has been confirmed officially by the US government.”

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf



The report extensively uses statement from Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who we now know was waterboarded hundreds of times during this time period.

Why haven't ANY of the commissioners denounced the criminal conduct of their own commission, or the work product that they produced? These guys were all supposed to be the most trustworthy people available, beyond reproach. Really?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:37 PM
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26. That's one of the best things I've heard in this debate. Damn fine question!!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:40 PM
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28. From "Username" -- The Most Devastating Question
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 01:45 PM by autorank
Usrename Thu Apr-23-09 09:13 AM See Full Post by Username

21. The 9/11 commissioners violated the Convention Against Torture.

Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

Article 15

Each State Party shall ensure that any statement which is established to have been made as a result of torture shall not be invoked as evidence in any proceedings, except against a person accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made. http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/h_cat39.htm

I find it very illuminating that not a single member has come forward to denounce their final work product for having used statements that were made as a result of torture.

They KNEW this was an important issue when they wrote their report, and they now must KNOW that folks were tortured by the interrogators in direct response to the questions that the commission submitted.

From the text box that they actually included on page 146 of the official 9/11 Commission Report:

See Full Post by Username

(It's on my Journal)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 07:31 PM
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29. They don't follow the rules
just pull shit out of their asses as they go. That's what reactionaries do.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 02:04 AM
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33. 9/11 commission phoning in torture requests
Like many here I've known some "crazy" stuff (a lot of it) about how far and how often the Bush admin went outside the bounds. You know the stuff that makes you a dirty fucking hippy for even bringing it up, even though it's all out there somewhere in reporting and data. And outside of places like DU, and real world gatherings of real people who also critically use their brains, I'm almost always confronted with the blank stares, and the "I don't believe you--you must have that wrong" despite my having read the source material, original reliable reporting, open source intel and what not that they did not and the media does not package. The patterns of corruption, wrong doing, cronyism, greed, classism, incompetence, hypocrisy, and just plain evil are there for all to see. It's not some big secret conspiracy, it's right out in the open. And keep your fucking air quotes, thank you.

But having said all that, and knowing there exists no low that Bush co. (and powers that be) they wouldn't sink to, I am shocked by the last 48 hrs.

How I missed that they were torturing people to get ginned up intel for a Saddam 9/11 connection amazes me. Of course they did. And having learned that some 24 hrs ago, it should have immediately occurred to me that the 9/11 inquiry itself was causing people to be tortured for fake cya. Obvious really if you just expect the worst with no bounds. What next?

Remarkable. In the words of *: "fool me once, er... won't be fooled again." (Cue Roger Daltry.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 07:32 PM
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31. Exactly!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 01:22 AM
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32. Even I'm right twice a day (analog clock that I am;)
:hi:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:17 AM
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15. Does anyone believe he was Rice's right-hand man because he was
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 01:19 AM by Norquist Nemesis
all up front an non-political about things?

Frankly, I'm starting to think that anyone coming out now claiming they strongly disagreed (like Zelikow) who didn't resign then in protest is simply trying to cover their ass so their not up on charges.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:19 AM
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16. you are seeing CYA in fulll form
that is all
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:19 AM
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17. K&R
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 06:10 AM
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19. I trust Zelikow about as far as I could sling a piano
This is just him doing CYA.

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 06:56 AM
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20. K&R
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 08:30 AM
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22. I don't think anyone considers him a saint
He DID work in the heart of one of the most corrupt governments in US history and has said NOTHING about it until this point.

I think this was a pre-emptive move to preserve what little's left of his integrity or to make a signal that he's willing to cooperate with future investigations.

But he did put up at least token resistance to the torture scheme even though he was shut out.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 09:58 AM
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24. I hate it when people say things like this, but everyone should read that book on the Commission.
I am really dying to know what Zelikow thinks of his pal Condee's neck being on the block for (allegedly) authorizing torture. I wonder if they've been talking to each other in the last week.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 01:40 PM
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27. He's covering his ass
Simple.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 07:32 PM
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30. I didn't trust him before you!
lol

:kick:
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