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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:46 PM
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Obama and Habeas Corpus -- Then and Now
It was once the case under the Bush administration that the U.S. would abduct people from around the world, accuse them of being Terrorists, ship them to Guantanamo, and then keep them there for as long as we wanted without offering them any real due process to contest the accusations against them. That due-process-denying framework was legalized by the Military Commissions Act of 2006. Many Democrats -- including Barack Obama -- claimed they were vehemently opposed to this denial of due process for detainees, and on June 12, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Boumediene v. Bush, ruled that the denial of habeas corpus rights to Guantanamo detainees was unconstitutional and that all Guantanamo detainees have the right to a full hearing in which they can contest the accusations against them.

In the wake of the Boumediene ruling, the U.S. Government wanted to preserve the power to abduct people from around the world and bring them to American prisons without having to provide them any due process. So, instead of bringing them to our Guantanamo prison camp (where, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled, they were entitled to habeas hearings), the Bush administration would instead simply send them to our prison camp in Bagram, Afghanistan, and then argue that because they were flown to Bagram rather than Guantanamo, they had no rights of any kind and Boudemiene didn't apply to them. The Bush DOJ treated the Boumediene ruling, grounded in our most basic constitutional guarantees, as though it was some sort of a silly game -- fly your abducted prisoners to Guantanamo and they have constitutional rights, but fly them instead to Bagram and you can disappear them forever with no judicial process. Put another way, you just close Guantanamo, move it to Afghanistan, and -- presto -- all constitutional obligations disappear.

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The Obama DOJ is now squarely to the Right of an extremely conservative, pro-executive-power, Bush 43-appointed judge on issues of executive power and due-process-less detentions. Leave aside for the moment the issue of whether you believe that the U.S. Government should have the right to abduct people anywhere in the world, ship them to faraway prisons and hold them there indefinitely without charges or any rights at all. The Bush DOJ -- and now the Obama DOJ -- maintain the President does and should have that right, and that's an issue that has been extensively debated. It was, after all, one of the centerpieces of the Bush regime of radicalism, lawlessness and extremism.


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To recap: Obama files a brief saying he agrees in full with the Bush/Cheney position. He's arguing that the President has the power to abduct, transport and imprison people in Bagram indefinitely with no charges of any kind. He's telling courts that they have no authority to "second-guess" his decisions when it comes to war powers. But this is all totally different than what Bush did, and anyone who says otherwise is a reckless, ill-motivated hysteric who just wants to sell books and get on TV.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/11/bagram/index.html

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:59 PM
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1. That's what the Unitary Executive is. Has he indicated he will reverse that power grab?
"He's arguing that the President has the power to abduct, transport and imprison people in Bagram indefinitely with no charges of any kind. He's telling courts that they have no authority to "second-guess" his decisions when it comes to war powers."

There was some concern before the election, when accountability was Off The Table, that the Unitary Executive would stand, no matter who won.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:02 PM
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2. Wasn't it Clinton that started this practice?
or was it before Clinton? None of this stuff should be legal, and I really don't understand why it has to be. Surely the CIA and all the other alphabet soup intelligence agencies routinely engage in illegal behavior. For Gods sake we teach it at the School of the America's or whatever it's called these days.
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:18 PM
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3. Yup, rendition existed prior to bush
but many here do not recognize that.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:10 PM
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7. Lincoln suspended habeus.
Constitution says they can. The debate is about when it is necessary.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:19 PM
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4. Moving to the right of bush is change,
I suppose.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:22 PM
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5. I tried to check out your source and it wasn't what I expected..?
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:06 PM
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6. Try clicking red 'salon' box, upper right, k&r, n/t
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:50 PM
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8. Here's another link to the same article
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/11-8

I'm not sure what you were expecting. It's an article by Glenn Greenwald.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 10:52 PM
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9. K&R n/t
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