This is why we have to prosecute

[nadinbrzezinski]

you see we didn't after iran Contra... and what was done to many people, yes including one Daniel Ortega, was done by troops working under the instructions of CIA operators.

What was done to them, the well known and the not so well known, included water boarding, rape, hanging from the ceiling, walling... yep the same crap

So in the 1980s we didn't prosecute, and in the 1990s one President Clinton said, we need to put the past behind us

So this time we didn't hire OTHERS to do this crap

If we don't... next time it will be done to you and me...

So if you want to put it in a very selfish sense... terror is a tool of the state. you think you were afraid over the last eight years? That's a preview

room 101 will move against your children... and the fear you felt over the last eight years will be nothing

This is why we need to prosecute

the cycle is just ongoing...

think about it

[Dragonfli]

1. K&R

[McCamy Taylor]

2. You are so right. And Noam Chomsky said the same thing, more or less, about Cambodia/Laos

and the other unprosecuted war crimes of Richard Nixon here:

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19730920.htm

[democrat in Tallahassee]

3. And Jeb Bush is just lying low, waiting for his turn and

he is more devious, arrogant, and just as stupid as his brother. We must make sure that the Bushes are never elected to anything ever again.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. I wish it was about the bushes

but it is not

It is about empire

They are guilty as sin...but it is not about them

Don't ever let this become about ONE family

[stillcool]

4. We did prosecute after Iran/Contra..

'classified material', 'national security'...and that other thing..'gray matter'? ensured the results. I don't know how politically involved Walsh was. I did read his book, but way back then I actually believed what I read.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. No we didn't

and a teach of mine said why

Lack of public outrage ensured that this would never be pursued

there was a little outrage... but not enough

He was a former company man

He also said that the Empire would have to fail before the real crap saw the light of day

[EFerrari]

8. Effing Death Squads Negroponte became our Security Czar.

Otto Reich is still around, GATES, Poindexter, Eliot Abrams. Before Death Squads left, he named his former aide as Ambassador to friggin' Nicaragua. Richard effing Armitage.

Oh, yes. The gang was ALL still here.

[stillcool]

9. well...there was a trial...

and people were convicted. I don't think this country has ever had a truthful investigation. I remember reading the Saga of Hog Island, about the great rip-off during WWI, and the Congressional Investigation.

http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/hogisle.shtml

[EFerrari]

12. Check this out:

Extra! September/October 2001

Scandal? What Scandal?
Bush's Iran-Contra appointees are barely a story

By Terry J. Allen

Throughout the summer of 2001, the media were profligate with resources for the Chandra Levy story, excavating every corner of her and Rep. Gary Condit's past to unearth a prurient bounty of personal detail. That level of investigative vigor mighthave exposed far more vital information had it been applied to Bush's appointment of numerous Iran-Contra veterans to key posts.

But with a few admirable exceptions, news stories about Elliot Abrams, John Negroponte and Otto Reich have largely relied on past reporting and he-said, she-said soundbites by the usual supporters and critics, rather than in-depth investigations into their complicity in one of the bloodiest scandals of the past 20 years. And their guilt is based not on speculation or gossip, but on hard evidence that they aided torturers and death squads,circumvented Congress and the Constitution, and deceived the American people.

"President Bush," the Washington Post reported on March 25, "is quietly building the most conservative administration in modern times, surpassing even Ronald Reagan in the ideological commitment of his appointments, White House officials and prominent conservatives say."

It's not that Bush is whispering the names of nominees too softly for the press to hear. Rather, the reporting itself is, for the most part, quiet.


http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1076

[stillcool]

16. the whole crew..

I think it's really ironic that the Nuremberg Trials are being mentioned so often, given who benefited then, and whose benefiting now.

[EFerrari]

7. If it had been more than just show, half of Bush 2's administration

would have been someone else.

[stillcool]

11. too true...and I don't see why it would..

be any different this time. I don't know the political, societal, world climate/involvement during our other criminal escapades. Would it make a difference this time?

[EFerrari]

13. There seems to be more political will this time among the people

if not in the government. Or, that's my take.

[knowbody0]

10. our beloved CIA has been doing dirty deeds for 50 years

Sandanista?

think about Dick Cheney's death squad. no one bats an eye, no one is suprised. our past is filled with atrocities, but now with the shrinking globe, and information, we are forced to see what was for so long kept secret in the name of national defense. you are so right we have to prosecute. They are OUR employees actually, they work FOR us. WE are responsible.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. they didn't do it unchecked

the administration at the time under Reagan. Reagan should have been tried.

[knowbody0]

15. absolutely.

[tom_paine]

17. Absolutely. n/t