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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:27 AM
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The Rude Pundit: Torture and the Permanent Republican Majority
There's many things that become apparent reading even a chunk of the Senate Armed Services Committee report on how we became an America that figures out exactly how much slapping constitutes a violation of the law. There's been much reported already, like how the planning for "enhanced interrogation" (a term that ought to be tossed onto the historical scrapheap with "compassionate conservative" and Joe Lieberman) began in December 2001, about how, like every thug cop that's ever fucked-up a bust or every electrode-bearing South American or Eastern European dictator that wanted to crush that rebellion, they tried to torture information that just didn't exist out of detainees - on the mythical Iraq/al-Qaeda connection, about just how ultimately worthless the whole thing was. As we delve deeper and deeper in it, surely we will tease more mundane awfulness out of the details.

But what doesn't come through immediately is the answer to a simple question: why? Why did the Bush administration commit and allow (and encourage, if not force others to commit) what are, seemingly without a doubt, treaty-busting crimes? Because, see, you read something like footnote 10 on page 2 and you come across this line: "According to Gonzales, the 'positive' consequences of setting aside the Third Geneva Convention include 'preserving flexibility' and 'substantially reduc the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act,'" and you realize that, whatever the motivation of the people involved, they didn't care. And they didn't care for a simple reason to answer that simple question: the Bush administration thought it was the beginning of an ascendant Republican reign and that they'd never be investigated.

Look back at when all this shit went down. Karl Rove and others were talking about a permanent Republican majority. So, rather than go whole hog with blow torches and pliers, the Office of Legal Counsel pushed methods as far as they could go. In other words, as long as they could say, at the end of the day, that there was a line they would not cross, a Republican Congress wouldn't do jackshit to stop them. As John "I Teach Students" Yoo wrote in his March 14, 2003 memo, criminal laws would not apply to certain interrogations and the Justice Department could not therefore prosecute the interrogators. Again, you only say that if you think you're going to control the Justice Department for time immemorial.

The name "Karl Rove" doesn't appear in the report. But his greasy fingerprints are all over this. This was war as a political operation. Taken as a whole, all that happened here is one big cover-up, like an old porn star after ten plastic surgeries. In other words, in the real world, what we call all the memos, all the discussions of how far torture could go, is another simple word: "alibi."

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:29 AM
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1. That sounds about right... the hubris was breathtaking. . . n/t
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:31 AM
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2. kick and rec for the truth.
and something I and others had already figured out, but its good to see it published.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:33 AM
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3. Which begs the question I often ask:
why didn't they just make up the fabricated evidence they were so desperately seeking and plant it?

They CERTAINLY are not above such atrocities and lies. I've often wondered why they didn't fabricate evidence to be used for their agenda? They've engineered plenty of events to serve this agenda; why not make physical evidence up as it involved Saddam and 9/11?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:45 AM
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4. Because they didn't believe they would lose their majority
It was in '06 that the administration changed its tactics and supposedly stopped the torture. If I recall correctly, that's what Philip Zelikow told Rachel this week. How he was able to finally succeed in getting things changed in '06. I think it's more the loss of the majorities in Congress than his perseverance that resulted in the change.


K&R for "This was war as a political operation."
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:59 AM
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6. Exactly. The PNACers NEEDED to shake the hornets nest to justify their worldview/motives
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:08 AM
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8. The yellow cake wasn't made up?
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 11:12 AM by redqueen
The "Saddam helped Al Qaeda" lie wasn't made up?

There are more examples...
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:14 AM
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9. The poster is asking, as they should, WHY didn't they simply make up "confessions?"
...since, based on the fact that they were gunning for false, unreliable info/confessions anyway, why not just make some of that up instead of handing down orders to torture. I don't buy that it's based merely on the right's instance they wouldn't lose their majority ...the PNACers intentionally were shaking the hornets nest in order to unsure and create further conflict/hostility per their foreign policy blueprint (Rebuilding Americas Defenses)
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:31 PM
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14. Wow. Okay, I get what you're saying now....
thank you, Echo.

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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:37 PM
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15. Great summary link for others:
to read about "Rebuilding American's Defenses," w/link to full text as well.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:15 AM
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10. I was thinking more along the lines of why they didn't just plant....
something in Iraq for our soldiers to "discover" upon invading.

Everything else (yellow cake) is obvious to us but seems so....roundabout for them. They're so ballsy that I truly am surprised they didn't plant all the things we were warned about in their scare tactics back then.

I hear you though. :)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:17 AM
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11. Ah... I see... something to "find" after the invasion...
maybe they tried but it was stolen by looters... looters got away with a hell of a lot those first few weeks.

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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:47 AM
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13. I think that one and blowing the cover of Plame's operation are totally
interlinked.

Who knows what else will come out in this new era of transparency vs the old one of State Secrets?
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 08:05 PM
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19. Their need to demonstrate power in a sadistic way,
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 08:07 PM by Psychic Consortium
in a way that hurt and humiliated others.

That has to be one reason they didn't simply invent and fabricate evidence, and instead developed an elaborate torture network.

Psychopathic sadists.
We are going to have to face that truth it would seem.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 10:55 AM
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5. In all fairness they never hid the fact that they were seeking a permanent Republican majority.
It didn't occur to me (I am naive and a Pollyanna I suppose) that they planned to achieve this via corruption of our Country's most basic principles. They fully intended to become the party of privilege apparently based on the Soviet model; control of the media, the Justice department and the military.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:05 AM
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7. K&R
When the Rude turns the corner and gets serious , it is a beautiful thing.

Not that most of his stuff ain't pretty freakin' good....
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:21 AM
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12. I think that they also believe the S. Ct. would back them up on Geneva
and were shocked by the Hamdan v. Rumfeld opinion. All along, they were operating the executive branch in an unconstitutional manner.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:42 PM
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16. Oh yeah, "the permanent republicon majority" until
the Perfect STorm came along and we got Prez Obama..
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:54 PM
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17. K&R
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:56 PM
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18. K&R n/t
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