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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:47 AM
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Mother uses Bible verse on modesty to fight Texas school dress code requiring tucked-in shirts
Dyker Neyland says she fought for her daughter's right to attend Irving's Thomas Haley Elementary School wearing an untucked shirt because of her religious beliefs as a Christian.

The Irving school board agreed with her this week and overturned decisions by the principal and district administrators, who had told Neyland that her daughter, Javé, must attend school with her shirt tucked in.

Neyland says Javé, a 7-year-old second-grader, has the right to wear her shirttail out because of a Bible verse, 1 Timothy 2:9, which dictates that "women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing."

"I don't want her behind showing," Neyland said. "I don't want her body being exposed."

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/04/mother-uses-bible-verse-on-modesty-to.htm

Okay then. I'll bet there a lot of Biblical verses she won't like.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:50 AM
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1. I wonder if she was sincere or just found a clever way to fight a fascist dress code.
Then again, I'm just a Ruleaphobe.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:54 AM
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2. Oddly enough in the picture with the original article her daughter's hair is braided
One of the points to be avoided in the scripture the mother cites!
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/042309dnmetirvshirt.3b41cf0.html
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:00 PM
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6. It says she is single (but a mom!?!) and doesn't attend chuch because she can't afford
a nice dress. Did she even read the passage she cited?
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:15 PM
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12. Yes - and I don't know of a single church that has a dress code.
The article did say she had past disputes with the school personnel. She may just be pushing the limits using the Bible and religion as weapons. How Christian of her.
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:28 PM
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14. Hasn't she heard? "The Lord giveth, and the Lord tucketh away."
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 05:28 PM by chollybocker
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:54 AM
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3. There will be some fights in that house
when Jave gets to be a teenager.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:56 AM
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4. I am pretty sure that same passage says that women should learn in private and have no postion of
authority over a man. Bet she doesn't follow that one.

That said, what is the purpose of requiring a shirt to be tucked in for elementary schoolers? Seems like an odd rule.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:57 AM
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5. Then she really shouldn't read The Song of Solomon
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:01 PM
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7. I don't think you have anything to worry about. She apparently hasn't even read the verse
she cited to get the rule exemption.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:06 PM
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8. good grief I fought the same fight 40 yrs. ago


my youngest's teacher was upset because his shirt wasn't always tucked in. this is elementary school.

I asked her what the difference was pertaining to learning. do they learn better with tucked in shirts?

I told him to try and keep his shirt tucked in to please his teacher. sigh.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:11 PM
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9. That dress code provision is stupid.
Who cares if a shirt is untucked? This isn't the military...
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:16 PM
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10. But authoritarians wish more social structures were similarly managed as such
You know, the type of stuffy fuckwits who perceive the silly-assed "casual day" at the workplace to be pushing the envelope.

Obedience and uniformity matter the most to em
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 12:22 PM
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11. I got detention in high school for not tucking my shirt in. Well...
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 01:02 PM by immoderate
perhaps it helped that I told the assistant principal that he was being petty. :)

Anyway, I've always been a shirt-out type of person, especially since my childhood idol was the Range Rider.


People's attitudes vary widely. It is useful to consider the original purpose of shirt tails: they were underwear. That is, they served the purpose that underwear now serves before it became common. That explains why some are so offended by it. I've encountered these people; I tell them, "It's OK, I'm wearing underwear." Mostly they don't know about the history.

--imm
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:23 PM
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13. Just put her in a Burka and be done with it. n-t
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:33 PM
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15. Will she cite Biblical condemnation against touching pigflesh to keep her son out of football?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:34 PM
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16. And so what if she doesn't want her daughter's shirt to be tucked in
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 05:34 PM by WolverineDG
or for her behind showing. God forbid that some mom to want to teach her child to be modest.

Oh, I see....we have to attack her because she used a Bible verse, so it's okay to beat up on her. :eyes:

dg
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:03 PM
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19. I only want to point out that she is not even following the very verse she cited
to get her daughter out of it. And that is not to mention all of the other verses she probably pays no attention to.

As far as the dress code, I am sure of the purpose for requiring they be tucked in. It seems silly to me. That said, dress codes in school only help kids learn that in some places you have to dress a certain way. How many of us have a job or have had in the past with a uniform? What about a dress code? It's just a part of life.
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Peace_Sells Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:46 PM
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17. wtf
Why the fuck do they have to tuck their shirts in? This isn't nazi germany its america and they have no damn business telling us what to waer and how to waer it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:51 PM
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18. comparing school dress codes to Nazi Germany. LOL!
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