The Right Keeps Stating that Torture Works

[fascisthunter]

and they state there is proof... well, I'd love to see one person show this proof.

[TornadoTN]

1. I hope they stand by that assesment next time a US soldier is taken prisoner

As usual, they squawk about being for America, while their very actions put this country in danger - and worse.

[sammythecat]

7. Precisely.

That's one huge reason, among others, that this torture precedent has to be dealt with and erased.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. It works 100% of the time.

The tortured person is always...tortured. See, it works.

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. Silly liberal - the right doesn't have to footnote or provide data.

Only we have the burden of actually needing to prove our claims, because we stupidly decided, a few hundred years ago, that if we claim something, we should be able to show it at a primary source level.

For the right, all that is needed for "proof" is to say it.

That's why liberal theology books are full of footnotes (Biblical references, theologians, scientific data, newspapers, etc.); conservative ones just state things (this is especially common in the creationist/ID books).

And why Al Franken's books are littered with references and footnotes, and Rush Limbaugh's books aren't (and Coulter, who tried to play our time, fills her books with footnotes and references, but they're all made up (see the aforementioned Al Franken, who proved that)).

[NC_Nurse]

4. The ends do NOT justify the means - period.

[rcrush]

5. I think they are talking about "24"

But it doesnt even work in 24. The US in 24 got nuked like 3 times, bio attack, president killed, another president taken hostage in the white house. You'd think they'd figure it out.

[Rabrrrrrr]

8. Look, when Ronald Reagan, greatest American hero, singlehandedly rescued the Iran hostages,

if he hadn't tortured - singlehandedly, relying only on the strength of his patriotism and prayer to the Almighty - all those evil Muslims, he never would have found out where the hostages were.

[rcrush]

11. That wasnt Reagan it was Stallone.

I saw this doc where he went into the desert by himself and freed his old commander. It was really moving.

[Bluerthanblue]

6. Even if that were true- (which it isn't) that doesn't make it OK! Bombing

anyone we 'fear' off the face of the earth "works"- would that make it 'right'??

AMERICA does NOT TORTURE- or we void everything that we claim to stand for.


:shrug:

[PassingFair]

9. I'm sure that they think it would be AOK for Condie Rice...

to have been tortured by AlQueda to
reveal the time and date of the attack on Fallujah,
after all, how many innocent Iraqi's would
have been saved...

just by torturing ONE person?

:crazy:

Very limited ability to THINK
on their parts.

Doesn't surprise me though...
they didn't think there was
anything wrong with the
ECONOMY until THEY started losing
THEIR jobs.

[Spazito]

10. They are already screwed....

They keep refering to the "intel" they received saved Los Angeles from being hit has already been proven to be a BIG LIE, from the Chicago Tribune today:

"The Bush administration claimed that the waterboarding of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed helped foil a planned 2002 attack on Los Angeles -- forgetting that he wasn't captured until 2003. Maybe we'll get a better answer if the administration grants Cheney his request that it declassify material supporting his case, as it should."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0423chapmanapr23,0,4882177.column

Thanks to NNN0LHI for the find, that thread is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5518301

[fascisthunter]

13. .

[ohheckyeah]

12. Murder works for ridding

ones self of an annoying person but it's still illegal. Stealing works to pay the bills but it's illegal.

[Bluerthanblue]

16. legal?

that only applies to "them" not "us"-

:shrug:

[ohheckyeah]

22. True.

conservatives are known for having strong moral lines - for other people.

[tekisui]

17. Yep. Lynching was 'effective' for keeping blacks out of neighborhoods.

Chopping off ones hands is 'effective' to prevent one from stealing.

It doesn't make it right or legal. That argument is a no-go.

[ohheckyeah]

21. So true.

I'm sure we can think of lots of things that work but are illegal and immoral. I refuse to argue with right wingers over this. I merely point out to them that they are sick human beings if they support torture.

[Bluerthanblue]

14. (they also keep saying that Obama's a Muslim, that Bush kept us

safe, that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, that they represent "true Americans"... and on and on and on...)

Credibility is lacking- the trouble with lying and exaggerating is that people will no longer believe you, even when you are telling the truth- (which in this case they are NOT).


:hi:

[Towlie]

15. Worse, they're bragging that American torture works because Americans are the torture experts.

America is number one in advanced torture technology!

We're your torture professionals!

USA! USA! USA!

If we can't get the answer out of them then they don't know it!

Makes you proud, doesn't it?

[rucky]

18. And why would the "proof" be classified?

unless the means of gathering the data needed to be concealed for some reason. But what about releasing pure quantitative information - not just from our program, but from historical intelligence reports in the US and worldwide? Break it down by methods of interrogation relating to the quality of information retrieved? I'd like to see study like that, if such an animal exists.

[Echo In Light]

19. Wanna bet the suckers are praying for their elusive "ticking time bomb" ruse...

They'd LOVE for that to be staged about right now, replete with "If only we hadn't had to 'coddle' those tearusts, then the city of ________ wouldn't have been attacked."

Great sweating Christ, what a right-winger wet dream that would make...

[DearAbby]

20. My Answer..

Damn right it worked...in the middle ages all those women tortured and confessed to being witches, barking at the moon, screwing Satan.

Because of their efforts, the world today isn't overran with witches! :sarcasm:

[WeDidIt]

23. It absolutely works

You have to understand the object of torture, though.

Torture is never intended to obtain actionable intelligence.

Torture is designed for breaking the person being tortured, and that objective is always met.

[opihimoimoi]

24. "The Ends does not Justify the MEANS" its chiseled in stone on MT REASON

[backscatter712]

25. It works for them...

Just realize that for the Bushies, torture was never meant to gather actual accurate intellgence.

Torture was used the same way the Chinese, North Vietnamese and North Koreans used it against us: to get false confessions and false pieces of intelligence that are useful as propaganda.

Propaganda useful for conflating Saddam Hussein's Iraq with Al Qaeda and starting a war on false pretenses purely for oil.

Torture worked pretty well for that purpose, didn't it?