Thom Hartmann: Imminent Financial Destruction of the U.S. lead to Torture.

[patrice]

This is what Thom Hartmann is saying:

Though all of us note that PNAC publicly dates from 1997, as Cindy Sheehan told us, George Bush was talking about Invasion as early as 1999.

Why?

The political capital that Bush was to have received from being a "successful" War pResident, was supposed to have been spent on privitizing Social Security.

Aside from being a Socialized jobs program for "financial planners", Why would they want that?

The THIEVES who carried out the Fianancial Destruction of the U.S. knew Financial Hiroshima was headed in their direction, so they needed Social Security privitized and, thus, HELD HOSTAGE, to force us to accept the fact that they robbed ALL of Us.

In order to create the political capital that BushCo needed to get Social Security privitized, BushCo needed someone to say Saddam Hussein is a member of al Qaeda (i.e. they needed Torture), so that the Invasion of Iraq would be "justified" and Bush would thus be a "hero" who would then be rewarded politically with the Privitization of Social Security which then would prevent any resistance to Socializing Losses and Privitizing Profits in the Financial Disasters that all of them knew were highly likely.

[midnight]

1. That is quit alot of killing to get their hands on our money in a

legal manner.

[CJCRANE]

2. 9/11 => Shock and Awe

was the set-piece for the first term.

Financial 9/11 => Bailout (draining the US Treasury)

was the set-piece for the second term.

[patrice]

4. That's right. It was all one big Project to save their lying THIEVING asses. LIHOP is NOT outside

realm of possibilities, because it WOULD be possible to LIHOP and provide

PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY

for nearly everyone involved (even that fucking-son-of-a-bitch Karl Rove). And those whom you couldn't provide Plausible Deniability for, with the exception of Cheney, are probably people outside of the jurisdiction of U.S. Justice, or already dead (quite possibly with the convenient "reason"/explanation provided by the outing of CIA Agent Valerie Plame).

[omega minimo]

3. Walk slimily and carry a big codpiece

:puke:

[pretzel4gore]

5. but, it couldn't happen to a more deserving society...

i've come to utterly despise this fake, cheap 2-bit bunch-of-clown-cultures we have become, by choice, in broad daylight, with all history warning us not to fuck around just because it temporarily made some of our bossclass (the fascasti) 'feel good'...yet we went ahead and committed mass murder anyway, in our kids' name, for the pigs' benefit, and knowing of his total contempt for us!
Ignorance is rooted in 'ignore' and that's what all those big tough ww2 assholes have been doing since 1945 (notice how the returning vets all suddenly let the pig get away with telling them they were under threat from comminism, ie the USSR, which had just bore brunt of defeating the fascasti?)
they act clueless cuz it's easier then thinking...

[patrice]

6. Though individuals can be/are good, they can also have qualities that collectively result in EVIL

emergent properties and Ignorance is most definitely one of those individual qualities that most assuredly leads to Evil. Because Ignorance allows every individual to claim "Plausible Deniability", the ONLY remedy is to experience the CONSEQUENCES of our Ignorance, and other potentially Evil qualities, so that "we" will be forced to change.

[pretzel4gore]

7. maybe a better focus is all that's needed...

the man keeps changing the channel with the 'people' scratching their collective bean constantly trying to....to keep up wid da 'noose' but, maybe the news is mainly a dope which intentionally confounds anyone who buys it? Maybe we should define the mass media UNLESS IT'S CONTROLLED BY our LIBLEFT, as criminals who are, in effect selling crack on every street corner to junkies who are sikk as a fricking dog already!

[patrice]

8. One thing about Liberals, Left to Right or any other variety, is that Liberality is defined by its

Inclusiveness, so, even for those who disagree with Liberality, there is a place in the Liberal PROCESS for Everyone, unlike Conservativeness which operates inherently on EXCLUSION, so, even for those who AGREE with Conservativeness, there may or MAY NOT be a place in the Conservative Object for some, and maybe not a place, ultimately, for anyone at all, because Exclusion is inherently antagonistic, pitting everyone against everyone else for shrinking resources, making it ultimately SUICIDAL.

If you don't think this is true, speculate a little about what is going on right now Behind Behind-the-Scenes in our Financial Sector. Can you say "Et tu Brute?"

[patrice]

9. I will Never, in any and all of the years that I have left, forget the role the Media had in what

has happened to America.

[rhett o rick]

10. Blaming the media isn't going to get us anywhere. We are in a class war.

The rich are killing us and they own the media and Congress. We can't make any headway until that changes.

[leftstreet]

11. And we can't make any headway until people admit it's class war

People are very reluctant to even talk about class distinctions.

[rhett o rick]

12. I absolutely agree. This class war has always been with us. After FDR we had a fighting chance for

many years. Now Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II have brought the hammer down hard on the lower classes. We have gotten complacent.