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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:34 AM
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From 2002: "Less grass, more roots". From the new CEO of the DLC.
The implications of the title are that we have little substance, and they have the "roots."

There were two articles in the years 2002 and 2003 that shook me out of my complacency about our Democratic Party. They were the ultimate articles of ridicule of the grassroots of our party. I save them to remind me that as much as I love and trust President Obama, he has a long road ahead of him...and many in our own party think tanks might undermine.

Here is the first one, dealing with protestors mostly protesting welfare reform. It was just insulting, and it was meant to keep us in line.

This one is by Bruce Reed, the new leader of the DLC...found at the DLC website.

Less Grass, More Roots" May 2002

Reed states that protests are not what they used to be. Correct me here, but there were powerful wonderful protests during the lead up to the Iraq War vote in October that year. The tone appears sarcastic.

I learned this firsthand recently, when a swarm of protesters stormed the DLC offices demanding to meet with me. At first I thought they were looking for Ralph Reed. Or perhaps they had set out years ago to march on the Clinton White House, but, like Odysseus, had met so many adversities along the way that they arrived late and found a different landscape altogether.

..."In fact, the crowd had come to protest the DLC's support for welfare reform . As I steeled myself for a reprise of the epic 1996 debates over time limits and work requirements, the leader of the group spelled out their demand: "We want a meeting with Senator Bayh and Senator Carper, and you're the guy who can get it for us." Apparently, they knew the outcome of the 2000 presidential election after all.

"Isn't there a phone around here you could use to call the senators?" they kept insisting. So the first protest in 17 years of DLC assaults on liberal orthodoxy ended with a voice mail for Senator Bayh's scheduler.


Contempt for activists was dripping from the article.

Where have all the good protests gone? Aging centrists everywhere would love to blame over-pierced and under-challenged young people -- the first generation in human history to talk like snowboarders and think like Ralph Nader. Today's youth think "this generation has a lot to say" is an advertisement for cell phones -- which, as a matter of fact, it is.

Yet much as I believe that there's nothing wrong with the younger generation that a few years of national service wouldn't fix, they're not the only ones who bear responsibility for the collapse of modern dissent. If all that young Americans can find to get mad about is some vast globalist conspiracy, authority isn't giving them enough to question.


Another slam at protestors:

Perhaps longing for the old days when protests meant something is just another baby boom delusion. Still, it's sad to think that in 40 years, we have gone from "I Have a Dream" to "We Want a Meeting!"


Dear Ralph, it is hard for activists to hear from their senators and congressman if they don't want to be bothered. Think on that a moment. They work for us.

Making fun of those who seek you out because you claim to be the spokespeople for the party....not a good idea.

The other article that lingers in my mind is one that says it is time to get over Vietnam and head on into the new wars we have to fight. It ridicules (yes, ridicules)...activists, Howard Dean, and slams Dennis Kucinich. It is from April 2003, when we were supposed to be the victors in Iraq.

Good Night, Vietnam

He might as well have said Hello, Iraq.

Former Gov. Howard Dean, whose antiwar rhetoric has made him the unlikely darling of liberal activists in Iowa and elsewhere, has been visibly struggling to criticize the war without appearing to undermine the troops. He vowed not to "personally" attack the president on the war, but has instead continued to attack his Democratic rivals who voted to authorize force.

But one antiwar Democrat has refused to change his rhetoric at all, and is supplying a fascinating exhibition of the Left's "Vietnam Syndrome": the tendency to interpret any military conflict through the nostalgic lens of the political struggle against the war in Vietnam. Like rock musicians, antiwar protesters tend to keep going back to the 1960s and early 1970s for role models and inspiration. But few are as fearlessly faithful to the Vietnam War era of protests as presidential candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who made a speech on the first day of the war in Iraq that consciously echoed George McGovern's "Come Home America" acceptance speech at the 1972 Democratic Convention.

"Come home, America," said Kucinich to the National Newspaper Association on March 20. "Come home and fix your broken streets and mend your broken dreams.... Come home and establish a living wage.... Come home and provide single payer, guaranteed health care for the forty-one million Americans who suffer illness without relief.... Come home and provide guaranteed social security for generations to come without privatization and without extending the retirement age, which would be devastating for minorities.... Come home and make non-violence an organizing principle within our society through the creation of a Department of Peace, America!"


And a jab at the anti-war protestors whom that group called "fringe activists" often.

Antiwar Democrats are entitled to their opinions. In fact, we share most of their concerns about the Bush Administration diplomacy that has made the drive to disarm Iraq such a lonely endeavor for the United States and the United Kingdom, without letting those concerns obscure the national interest in toppling Saddam. But antiwar Democrats do not have the right to claim, as Dean often does, that opposing the war is a matter of fidelity to Democratic tradition, or that antiwar Democrats represent "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."


Hey, they even blame the "aging baby boomers" for being annoying about a war that was never justified.

Some aging baby boomers may continue to view every military conflict as a reprise of the big war of their youth, and some politicians may opportunistically offer them a sort of battleground reenactment of the protests they fondly remember. But for the rest of us, the Vietnam War is long over, and it's time to reassert Democratic internationalism for a new era.


That brand of "Democratic Internationalism" I could easily do without.

This was our own party talking to us like that. It was degrading and it continued until the last year or so. They did not disappear, they only stopped the insults for a while.

The effects and influence are still there.





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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:57 AM
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1. you still see Obama as somehow being opposed to the DLC?
or the DLC as wanting to undermine him? I don't see why they would.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:08 AM
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4. I am not sure yet. I trust him and respect him.
I think there is enough proof at their site they want the influence.

I think that many of their policies are in place.

I think he brings trust to a country that has not had it for years.



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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 06:25 AM
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12. "he brings trust to a country that has not had it for years"
That's actually the danger we have to be on guard against. Bill Clinton received a similar (and mistaken) "he's one of us" naive trust from some liberal quarters (mostly the ones that saw themselves as "moderate" or "centrist"), and what we received were NAFTA, a pass on investigating most Reagan-Bush era scandals now that they were no longer in a position to delay and obfuscate, the Telecommunications Act permitting even greater media cosolidation, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the continuation of shifting industrial production overseas, the birth of service-sector offshoring, etc.


FDR gave us the gold standard of advice on how to treat politicians, even if they agreed with you: "Now go out there and MAKE me do it!"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 07:56 PM
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20. In some ways I agree with that caution.
But in most ways I think there are conservative Democrats who pose the most danger right now. I intend to be on guard with all of them.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:56 PM
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18. "I am a New Democrat."
Obama's own words. :(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:56 PM
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21. In some ways he is.
It does worry me a little, but he has a lot of pressure to be that way. I will wait and see.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:01 PM
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23. DLC will "oppose" Obama . . . .
in the sense of moving him further to the right -
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 12:58 AM
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2. As well as some of their asshole mouthpieces.
Their chief function on DU seems to be to shut down all opinions left of Evan Bayh.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:09 AM
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5. Whose chief function.
Almost everyone is left of Evan Bayh.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:47 AM
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7. Well after all they don't get paid if they just hang out in the lounge
They get a bonus I think every time they disparage Dennis Kucinich or Howard Dean.

My favorite is a harry little prick that goes by a name that makes one thing of an out of control K-9. I would mention it's name but it stalks me and I don't think it would be good to have it here stinking the thread up.

I think it has a crush on me.:evilgrin:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:31 AM
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9. If it's who I think it is, he once stalked a whole thread, bringing every subthread to a halt.
I believe the phrase I tagged him with was "5-buck an hour DLC hogwash slinger," or words to that effect.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 08:50 AM
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13. Sounds About Right - his favorite trick is to bait someone into anger then
edit his BS within the hour so he looks picked on (hit edit then alert and giggle). His rational argument skills are minimal and he loves it when I call him Mr. Irrelevant (it is my pet name for him).

He refuses to tell me what he gets paid, methinks he is ashamed of the 5 dollar an hour thing.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:06 AM
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3. I like the following sentence:
"If all that young Americans can find to get mad about is some vast globalist conspiracy, authority isn't giving them enough to question."
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:11 AM
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8. A draft could fix that. Is that what he is implying?
I can't see how some other form of paid national service would necessarily give anyone too much to complain about. Jobs are scarce and getting scarcer, right.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 01:32 AM
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6. self-delete
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 01:41 AM by Mind_your_head
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:48 AM
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10. I took the Less Grass More Roots to mean
that activism can be more show than substance. Maybe he was trying to be cute and calling activists stoners. The DLC mocks Grassroots because they are the elitist bastards plain and simple. The Grassroots are their enemy and they know it.

I saw a quote about Reed and Emanuel I thought was worth sharing.

Reed recalls Emanuel pleading, “If you’ll teach me how to do policy, I’ll teach you how to be an asshole.”

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:10 AM
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14. Edit...responded to wrong post.
Edited on Mon Apr-27-09 11:24 AM by madfloridian
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:44 AM
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16. Good one.
That would make two of them...a**holes that is.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 02:56 AM
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11. Flagging a possible typo: "Dear Ralph, it is hard for activists to..."
I think you mean "Dear Bruce,...", unless that was sarcasm about his "looking for Ralph Reed" snark. But if it was sarcasm, it's far enough away from it's source that it could be mistaken for proving his point.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 11:26 AM
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15. This part....
"I learned this firsthand recently, when a swarm of protesters stormed the DLC offices demanding to meet with me. At first I thought they were looking for Ralph Reed. Or perhaps they had set out years ago to march on the Clinton White House, but, like Odysseus, had met so many adversities along the way that they arrived late and found a different landscape altogether."

A little sarcasm gone sour, I guess.

He even looks like Ralph, I once thought they were brothers. But they aren't.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:54 PM
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17. Their view of the Ned Lamont campaign. They took it very personally.
They even wrote an article in the Blueprint with these headings.

"DLC | Blueprint Magazine | January 4, 2007
Lieberman Comes Back
A campaign insider tells the real story of how the politics of problem-solving trumped the politics of polarization."

There is no name on the article, but sounds a lot like Dan Gerstein.

They really never saw that Ned Lamont won the Democratic primary. In their minds Lamont was still an outsider after he won that primary. I also wonder what happened the week after Lamont won when Howard Wolfson was sent to run his campaign. Lamont disappeared a while and gave Lieberman the time to relaunch. I wonder if he knew what happened to him.

Anyway this article shows their contempt for an activist led and activist won campaign. They did not even consider Lamont part of the party.

Lieberman Comes Back

No, Lieberman had to run as an independent to get his seat back. That is not winning.

After this fall's power-shifting election, it was fascinating for me, as a strategist for Joe Lieberman's victorious Senate campaign, to watch Democrats struggle to fit the square political peg of the Lieberman comeback into the round electoral hole of the Democratic takeover. Here you had a pro-war, 18- year incumbent, rejected by his own party in the Connecticut primary, running as an independent with an ostensibly anti-war, pro-change, deep-blue electorate -- and winning the rematch against his primary opponent by a resounding 10 percentage points.

Judging from the post-mortems that emerged, most Democrats opted for rationalizing over reconciling. They wrote off Lieberman's incongruous victory over Ned Lamont as a tactical aberration. The common narrative is that the Lieberman campaign was more disciplined and better run, that the Lamont campaign made a lot of rookie mistakes, and that the incumbent ultimately succeeded by exploiting the experience gap and the absence of a strong Republican challenger.


Bull Hockey, there was no Lieberman victory over Lamont. Lamont won. Lieberman ran away from his party and ran as something else.

They call the Lamont campaign and uprising.

From my perspective, what purportedly started as a revolution -- the blog-driven Lamont uprising -- turned out to be a revelation about the rival forces vying to shape the party's direction in the post-Clinton, post-Bush era. This clash, which has been brewing for the past six years, as Democrats have been stewing over two straight presidential losses, is not ideological so much as tonal and, in some respects, temperamental. It is, in essence, a fight over how we fight politically, a struggle between two starkly different approaches to campaigning and governing.


Too late to explain, whoever wrote this....once you speak of a win in a Dem primary as an uprising...you have given yourself away.

Read all of this. This is how that group and its members view the universe.




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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:28 AM
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22. Thank You for the link, very enlightening /nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:08 PM
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26. Really disappointing and shocking . . .
As I said above, I have nothing but disdain for the DLC as the corporate-wing of the

Democratic Party and its agenda to move the party to the right.

DLC, of course, is part of DLC leadership!

And, at this point, after 2000 and 2004 elections -- which I think make clear to just

about everyone that elections have been stolen -- we have to look back to the mid/late-1960's

when the computer first began coming in. Coincidentally, just about the time the Voting

Rights Act was passed! IMO, every Repug "win" going back to Nixon/Humphrey is suspect.

Meanwhile, not only have we paid the price in decades of political violence and stolen

elections, but we've paid the price in having the party moved to the right.

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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-27-09 04:57 PM
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19. Fuck the DLC!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:03 PM
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24. Timely, as always -- and important for DU-ers to know and understand . . .!!!
Thank you -- !!!

And while I have nothing but disdain for the DLC and it's co-option of the Democratic

Party, I'm not that familiar with all their material such as this.

It suggests not only idiocy in the DLC, but unrestrained arrogance -- and every bit

of it dangerous for the Democratic Party and those who support it!!!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:07 PM
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25. Their arrogance toward grassroots in 2003
I should call it disdain, really...was really terrible. They went after us constantly.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 01:10 PM
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27. And, now . . .
Obama has moved the DLC into the White House . . .

With so little reaction from Democrats -- !!!!

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