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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:08 PM Original message |
What does it say about the Democratic Party's core beliefs |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. exactly.... |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. to me it says more about Specter's opportunistic beliefs |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. you took the words right out of my mouth. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. that is abundantly clear. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. It stands for power, that's what. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. in the complete absence of any semblance of a progressive agenda |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. Put a finger up into the political wind - the country is shifting left. |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
67. It usually takes a decade or longer for the Senate to catch up. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. That sounds right, but is it true? Perhaps you can supply data to |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
66. I guess we'll be going back to the party of Lincoln. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. And how exactly do you enact a progressive agenda |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. They'll be "free to do what they wish" but the question is "what will they wish to do?" |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. This isn't a strategy for a progressive agenda... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
70. With Conservative, Anti-LABOR, Pro-WAR, Pro RICH Class, Senators, |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. you're assuming that Specter won't vote any differently. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. He hasn't been a paragon of conservatism in recent years anyway. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. He's not changing his position on EFCA. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. He also claimed he was a Republican up until today. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. In his announcement today, in answer to question he reaffirmed his now democratic opposition to it. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
63. Bull |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #63 |
102. It's the primary voters who will require him to vote for EFCA. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
72. Require Specter to vote more Liberal ?? LOL. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. If we insisted on lockstep, this wouldn't even be an issue. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
11. I think the Democratic Party is the only one that still has conservatives, moderates, and liberals. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. How quaint. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I don't like people marching in lockstep at any extreme end of the spectrum. I agree with some |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I'm asking about principle |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. It stands for taking in all reasonable ideas, using logic to assess the value of those, and |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Let's just have a one-party country then, |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #41 |
100. Oh, I see, you're talking about a 'new democratic party' and I'm speaking for the Democratic Party. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #100 |
108. That doesn't address our basic beliefs as Democrats |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
115. can you give me examples of how the Democratic Party is actually doing those things? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. Try reading posts on DU or the newspapers and look for a recap of the administration's first 100 |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. is he really gonna bring in good ideas |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
68. It stands for taking all ideas, using cash to assess the value of those, and |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Principle died long ago. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. We should weed out the moderates like the GOP did. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Apparently the message you are getting is to move to the right |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
12. It's pathetic. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
13. Idealism vs. realism |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Get back to me when we "get what we want," |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. It takes time. It takes numbers... patience....nt |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. That is a good thing, but its not cause for rampant celebration. |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
52. delete |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
17. "Our Party" ROFLMAO |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. ad hominem |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Do You Know What An Ad Hominem Is? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. yes. you attempt to dismiss my message |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
95. bullshit, what he said was the truth. and look up ad hom if you would. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
116. We don't have to believe a word you said. I think it's interesting that someone like you |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. you have the balls to say that when all you do is tear down the Democratic party? go to the greens |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. your definition of "we" is weak. |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. Democratic party has always welcomed a wide range of views |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Don't you know that's "quaint"? See response #15. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
22. Our core beliefs are there, strong and intact. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. What are those core beliefs? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
79. I'm curious too, what specifically are these "core beliefs" you speak of? n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
26. You consider yourself a Democrat? How strange. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. There are 16 wasted words in your last sentence. |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
29. As far as I am concerned this is.. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
30. He was a Democrat years ago then became a Republican. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I agree. |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
36. more parties |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. The Democratic Party now includes completely the repuke party of the 1960's and 1970's |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 07:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
93. This is one of the best posts I've ever read on DU. nt |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #36 |
97. Don't panic, friend. Its happening NOW |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
40. Rec 5. I can't figure it out either. Or maybe I can |
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Redbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
47. Specter switch is good for progressives for two reasons |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I think, practically, he will help us reach cloture on a few important issues. |
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Redbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #49 |
101. I see your point |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. please restrict your use of the word progressive |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
48. It's about our ability to get things done, or not get them done. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. what "things"? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Oh, just little stuff-- |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. let's keep track of what "gets done." |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. You go right ahead. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I think he will help us reach cloture on a few key things each session |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. I'm less worried about ideological purity than effective governing. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I'm not looking for ideological purity; I too want good governance. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. That's been true since Clinton won the nomination in '92. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. yup. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. The good news is that the pendulum is swinging our way again, |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #78 |
98. What is 'traditional republicanism'? And could you prove why traditional republicanism does not yiel |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
112. traditional republicanism--Nixon, Eisenhower, Hoover |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #73 |
88. You are absolutely spot on |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
50. agreed |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
53. This kind of exclusionary thinking is what got Republicans into so much trouble .. |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. some things are not negotiable |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
55. I think it says more about our political beliefs than rejecting him would |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
56. It says we really are |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. "all are welcome." |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 06:20 AM Response to Reply #59 |
92. Yes, really. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
113. Karl Rove? |
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bulloney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
64. I remember the time when Democrats in Congress switched to Republican. |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
71. Yeah, let's be purists. 100% or leave! It's working so well for the other party. |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. nobodys asking for 100% |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. If you find a way of making sense out of your point, let me know. |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
119. yikes |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Yeah. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. What does our party stand for? |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Many different things. What percentage must someone agree with before we accept them? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. If it's less than fifty percent... |
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dem629 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
121. So 51% is acceptable? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. You're probably going to get frustrated by this but... |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #77 |
106. like Zell Miller |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
74. i think it says more about DU |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
76. Wouldn't it be exciting if we simply viewed it realistically, as a "Thing." It's not all |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
82. Democratic Party's core beliefs:power & money. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #82 |
96. right on the money |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
127. That's pretty much it. That's why I don't understand the fury over this gain |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-28-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
83. I'll take him for the 60th vote |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
89. It says that the Dem Party is the true Big Tent. It says that Joe Biden knows how to reach across... |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
90. kr |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 05:40 AM Response to Original message |
91. Nothing |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
94. yeah, it sure would suck to have those 60 votes... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
118. we don't even have the 58 votes before he switched |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
99. I think the significance of the switch |
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TayTay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
103. It is a political party |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. representatives vs voters |
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TayTay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. purge based on what? |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
107. Our core beliefs are "for the common good." Period. Anything more than that |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. this means nothing |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I think that "common good" infers benefiting the many instead of the few. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
109. The common core belief is the sworn duty to the Constitution, which many find inconvenient. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
114. Oh! The pure virgin! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #114 |
124. don't you *dare* kick dust at that high horse!!! you DLC stooge! |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
117. We're a "big tent" with a "losers corner" that is fairly large. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
128. theres only one party it seems |
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