Oh My!!!! The Torture Executive Order

[malaise]

http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/868.html?task=view
<snip>
Senior FBI agents stationed in Iraq in 2004 claimed in an e-mail that President George W. Bush signed an executive order approving the use of military dogs, sleep deprivation and other harsh tactics to intimidate Iraqi detainees.

The FBI e-mail -- dated May 22, 2004 -- followed disclosures about abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison and sought guidance on whether FBI agents in Iraq were obligated to report the U.S. military’s harsh interrogation of inmates when that treatment violated FBI standards but fit within the guidelines of a presidential executive order.

According to the e-mail, Bush’s executive order authorized interrogators to use military dogs, “stress positions,” sleep “management,” loud music and “sensory deprivation through the use of hoods, etc.” to extract information from detainees in Iraq, which was considered a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Bush has never before been directly linked to authorizing specific interrogation techniques at Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib. Bush has admitted, however, that he personally signed off on the waterboarding of three "high-value" prisoners.
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http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/FBI.121504.4940_4941.pdf

[Windy]

1. Drip....drip,....drip.... drip..... n/t

[NNN0LHI]

2. Before this is over we are going to find out Bush signed off on raping the children of detainees

To get their mothers to talk. We know it happened we know Bush and Cheney are capable of it.

Obama probably already knows about it.

Don

[valerief]

7. I'll bet that's true. nt

[yodermon]

9. even *they* aren't stupid enough to leave evidence of such an order behind.

[glitch]

11. I don't know, they're pretty stupid. Evil doesn't take a lot of smarts.

They aren't too stupid to be culpable though. What I like to call low cunning, dumb and nasty (and usually quite successful in lawless states).

[Lerkfish]

15. they were counting on a thousand year republican rule, remember.

it was stupidity, it was hubris. They felt they would perpetually be in control, so they didn't worry about it.

[John Q. Citizen]

32. I was thinkig the same thing.They were busy being the deciders. Then the walls came down

[islandgirl808]

10. oh dear god that would be sickening

if true, i hope they burn in hell and satan teabags them :puke:

[malaise]

13. and left a paper trail to boot

Special prosecutor needed.

[jgraz]

16. Signed off on? He probably was the one who thought of it.

[shadowknows69]

21. No doubt in my mind and the sick bastards probably watched the tapes.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. Of course Obama knows

[winyanstaz]

51. I read once that they had sent the videos of the rapes of the children

to the White House under orders. Does anyone else remember reading about this?

[tridim]

3. DRIP drip drip

I think the next round of torture photos are going to blow this whole thing wide open.

[CoffeeCat]

28. Those pictures need to come out!!!

Seymour Hersch talked about these awful pictures. They were initially shown to Congress members, and
Hersch said that child rape was shown in these pictures.

That was done in our name.

Those pictures need to come forward NOW!

Quit protecting these coward goons! They are moronic fools who need to be thrown in dark cells for the rest of their lives.

[butterfly77]

41. They have been talking about the other pictures..

for a few years now they will be out in a month, I wonder why it takes so long.

[cliffordu]

4. Yep, let all the chickens and their pet veloceraptors come home to roost.

WAR CRIMES TRIALS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!. First round is on me!!!!

[shadowknows69]

22. Coffee spit at the raptor comment. I'll raise you a tank full of Piranha

[cliffordu]

34. I stole that from Hunter Thompson....

from a story in Rolling Stone about the Nixon Administration...

The quote was something like "When all the chickens come home to roost....Accompanied by three large vultures..."

Sigh. I miss hunter.

[spanone]

5. goes directly to the top....

[valerief]

6. K&R

:kick:

[madrchsod]

8. hitler was`t that stupid to actually sign anything

[glitch]

12. Not that that kept him from getting a bullet in his brain.

Or ending up cloned in S. America, whatever.

[chill_wind]

14. K & R. ..

[yoyossarian]

17. Isn't this as obvious as it could possibly be by now?

You see, they have vays of MAKING you talk...
and of making you STOP talking as vell!



Oh, wait, they're gone now, aren't they?
Oh god, they're FINALLY GONE!

YEEE-HAAAWWW!!!
:party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :beer: :party: :toast:

Sorry 'bout that... musta been another flashback!


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Laugh City!

President Evil Online has risen from the grave!

[malaise]

19. LOL

:fistbump:

[yoyossarian]

50. !

:toast:

[Orsino]

18. Leopold is promising us the moon again.

If that Executive Order exists, I think we know who can reveal it.

But I'm not taking this to the bank quite yet.

[malaise]

20. The pdf is from ACLU

Du never fails to amuse.

[Orsino]

23. And the allegations are old.

Leopold thinks them worth repeating, and may be overpromising again.

[KoKo]

24. What's old is new when we have the ability to finally get the Justice Department and

Public's attention on this "old news" which came out piecemeal..but now is connecting dots to a fuller picture. Just saying...

[Orsino]

26. Uh-huh.

If Leopold simply means to remind us of old allegations, that's a modest but commendable effort. By rerunning the story, however, he's telling us that there's reason to believe that the Executive Order exists.

He's a journalist, supposedly. Can he not confirm that story? Is he unable to find the FBI agents who made the charge? He ought to tell us, or turn his story into an editorial by insisting that the tale needs to be investigated.

[EFerrari]

37. Go look at the pdf. n/t

[midnight]

30. How true.

[KharmaTrain]

25. Allegations vs. Evidence

For all their great work...Sy Hersch, Jane Meyer, Dana Priest and others could only cite unnamed sources and secret documents in exposing the abuses and crimes. It wasn't until boooosh was removed that we're starting to see real, hard evidence of these attrocities. Here's yet another piece of that puzzle and vefification of our worst fears. It signals the need to dig further and bring out ALL the dirt here before we can reform and fully cleanse the system.

We're seeing how these disclosures are waking up more people as it's proof...tangible and admissible proof. It can be "debated" and "justified", but the fact of crimes now can't be denied. We've moved from the "prove it" stage to the "whatcha gonna do about it" one.

[malaise]

27. It also explains why

Bush's poll numbers continue to fall. The more exposure the worse for Bushco.
Throw away the keys.

[SpiralHawk]

29. "Smirk." - X-Commander AWOL (R)

[TankLV]

31. It takes a LOT of time, effort and energy to maintain a LIE...this is what's happening...

maybe the paper with all the ILLEGAL and CRIMINAL orders were shredded, but what about all the other peripheral items like this email that will REFER to these things!!!

THAT'S where WE'LL get 'em!!!

It's always the COVERUP that FAILS...!!!

[earth mom]

33. * is a sociopath. Been saying it for years.

:puke:

[DavidDvorkin]

36. And yet nothing will happen to him as a result.

[JDPriestly]

38. The date on the memo is May 22, 2004 after Abu Ghraib was

in the news. This is a CYA memo. Things may have been much worse than are admitted in the memo.

[malaise]

42. Indeed

What's more the Executive Order appears to be a response to the exposure of Abu Ghraib. Importantly it does not deal with 'abuse'.

Put simply they tortured people, then they chose to obfuscate the meaning of words so that they could continue torturing people. Meanwhile they were shouting 'we don't torture'.

Throw away the keys.

Now how can we find all these Executive Orders to read them for ourselves.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

39. hmmm

President George W. Bush signed an executive order approving the use of military dogs, sleep deprivation and other harsh tactics to intimidate Iraqi detainees




Bush’s executive order authorized interrogators to use military dogs, “stress positions,” sleep “management,” loud music and “sensory deprivation" through the use of hoods, etc.” to extract information from detainees in Iraq.

[crimsonblue]

40. If this E.O. exists...

then Bush must be hanged in the Hague. Bush is no better than Hitler for ordering the systematic torture, humiliation, and degradation of fellow humans. Whether or not he intended his actions to cause the death of any person is inconsequential. During WW2, German officers were tried and convicted at the Nuremburg Trials because they did not oppose the extradition of Jews from France. These German officers played no direct role in the actual genocide of the Jewish people, but were found to be equally culpable and liable for the atrocities that resulted in the Holocaust. As the United States demanded then, we must demand now. All that were involved in the systematic torture of other human beings must be prosecuted, and if convicted, sentenced to death or hard labor. Our country set this precedent, we must abide by it.

[librechik]

47. agree, if the court finds him guilty

how could they not?

[wiggs]

43. "stress positions" = detainee inside sleeping bag with someone sitting on

top until they're asphyxiated.

[Vidar]

44. K&R.

[me b zola]

45. K&R

[conscious evolution]

46. Nuremberg Principles

Principle III
The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.

I say hang his ass.

[malaise]

52. Someone should have told

Condi - hahahahahahahaha

[conscious evolution]

55. Condi=responsible government official

Have any women ever been hung for war crimes?

Hey Condi-You've come a long way,baby!

[Uncle Joe]

48. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, malaise.:thumbsup:

[malaise]

53. Thank KO

He mentioned this email last night and I did some digging.
:hi:

[dembotoz]

49. at what point does the stench become too great????

will bush and company get away with it all?

[NewJeffCT]

54. But, if Bush ordered it, it means it is not illegal

at least according to Condi Rice.

[susu369]

56. Kick

:kick: