I will NEVER forget,...

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

,...an innocent, dead, Iraqi child carried by her father out of our war zone,...

,...the pitiful presentation to the UN supposedley justifying our aggressive war against Iraq,...

,...reports of warrantless wire-taps on Americans,...

,...ABSOLUTE rewards to all that are greedy,...

,...Senator Kennedy named on the "terrorist" list,...

,...release of the most modest pictures of torture as Fox "News" reported silly 'initiation' games,...

,...SUSPENSION OF HABEAS CORPUS,...

,...political (personal) manipulation of the justice department (FIRINGS FOR FAILURE TO PURSUE POLITICAL PROSECUTIONS),..

,...huge diversion of national wealth into defense with HUGE LOSS of billions upon billions (Rumsfeld simply had no idea where all that money disappeared) into either private war profiteers or,...just "lost", according to Rummy. *POOF*

,...the world-wide demonstrations that NEVER received the national attention a handful of right-wing assholes get, here,...

,...the many who knew the "GREED-RIDDEN" policies of the neocons would hurt not only those beyond our borders, but also all of us,...

,...the fact that, if any person combined all of the foregoing actions, there would be no question, whatsoever,...the members of the previous administration INTENTIONALLY violated their oathes of office, INTENTIONALLY abused the power of goverance and damaged this nation.

I haven't named all their crimes against humanity, against this nation. I do not want vengeance. I demand justice!!!!

I DEMAND JUSTICE!!!

[liberalmuse]

1. Thank you.

How many of us were in almost constant anguish over all these things the criminal bastards got away with for years? I DEMAND JUSTICE, TOO! We must ALL demand justice for these heinous crimes.

[Dragonfli]

2. I would prefer a country in which justice was a matter of routine and no demand would be needed..

I am having trouble coming to grips with the reality that justice has been deemed optional by at least half the citizens and politicians in a country who's constitution clearly states it is anything but "optional."

In the case of the politicians, the "optional position" is in direct defiance of the oaths they have taken and ignored.

In such a case, any countryman that still is loyal to the Constitution and the country is clearly required to demand Justice.

I join you in your demand and salute you for it. :patriot:

I feel like I am living either in an episode of the twilight zone or in a country on the cusp of something similar to post Reichstag germany.

I want my country back.
I want my constitution back.
I want the rule of law back.

I want a just republic in more than name only.




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[MasonJar]

22. Send this to Obama's website too. I intend to write him every week until he pays

attention. It is so pathetic, as you say, that we have to keep demanding the rule of law.

[truedelphi]

23. Why is it that we ahve to persuade the guy who supposedly was

elected to represent us?

I keep trying to recall why it is that we need to do this.

[Dragonfli]

24. regardless of how he may or may not feel - it helps

It may be that he needs the public outcry for political cover and it may well be an FDR moment, "make me do it" with a wink and a hope for a large public outcry - one reason I don't get the hero worshipers idea that he can do know wrong and would be offended by our outrage - if they are correct, he NEEDS it, is counting on it. But they claim I am whining because I would like a "pony" named justice. I think they are acting like idiots.

It could also possibly be that it is just typical washington sweep it under the rug politics in which case, public outcries for justice are still the most important part and I don't care if he or any other elected official is offended by my "whining for justice"

Either way, our part remains the same and since I don't know any other mans inner heart, I try to simply do my part and hope secretly it is his "secret plan".

Does that make any sense?

[truedelphi]

26. What you say makes sense, but somehow I thought that by voting for this

Man, who was all about Hope and All about Change, I believed that just maybe for once I would not have to be spending time persuading him to not go along with COroporate America's wishes.

Plus, if he needs us to persuade him, is he even persuade-able?

[Dragonfli]

27. I know what you mean, all that talk of hope was very infectious.

Then the fever breaks and you wake up in the real world all sweaty in the darkness shivering.

The truth is we live in a corporatocracy - most of our politicians are bought and paid for. Their masters can undue a million of our letters with one phone call. They openly admit it upon occasion, like Nelson has recently regarding his submission to the needs of the health care profiteers over those of the citizenry.

Once in a while, an honest person appears and tries to do what is right rather than what will fill his(her) coffers.
DK comes to mind, but there are others. I believe it is too early to tell if our president is such a man or not.
If he is he can be persuaded, if not, nothing we say to him will convince him, in the end we will always have to fight for those of us that are not connected or wealthy. We will always have to fight for justice. This would be true even if every single promise he has made was sincere. That doesn't mean I don't wish we had a functioning legal system.

It is a battle because our power comes from numbers and desperation, not nepotism or money and even an honest politician must work in the cesspool that is the environment of american politics. That is why it is too early to tell even if promises are shelved and we need to come out in the millions just to get a slightly less fucked up compromise through the process.

The battle is ours, it always has been and no knight in shining armour can champion for us, at best they can assist us - at worst impede or even imprison us.

The truth of that once killed all hope and idealism in me. Then I realized that if I leave the fight or allow the dawning cynicism of reality stop me and others from fighting the good fight then we have handed them the victory and deserve our serfdom.

I don't know you but you seam to be an idealist interested in the good of all and if I didn't live so far away I would invite you to coffee to plan the next thing that could be done to better our nation for all of us. It is because I see this in you that I have composed such a lengthy response - I want to help you understand some of what I have gleaned.

I hope you never loose that Idealism. Take the disappointment as a call to arms. The public is shifting, it needs to shift even more for truth/justice/fairness to prevail. You can be a part of the shift.

I must warn you however, even if we were to win all the battles. The fight would continue just like it always has. The gilded will always want a return to their age and will spend their considerable resources to accomplish that.

[truedelphi]

28. Thank you for the comfort and concern that you are providing me.

And I am loving your "Dragonfly" id - it's comforting too.

Well, the two of us might not live close enough for coffee, but perhaps we can parlay a discussion over the internets. I'll PM you my new email address.

Take care, T.D.

[Dragonfli]

25. Already done brother!

[ThomCat]

3. I have a feeling we'll all be still talking about how evil and

illegal the Bush administration was even when we're old and in nursing homes. That's be what we're mumbling about into our oatmeal while the nurses pat on our our heads and humor us. :P

Few, if any of us will ever forget, or forgive. This is going to be raw for a long time. :(

If those criminals never get marched in chains, this will be a wound that will take a long, long time to heal.

I want to see every one of them marching in chains in orange jumpsuits. I want that smirks permanently wiped off of Junior's and Darth Cheney's faces. x(

[Beam Me Up]

4. You left out a few.

More than I can think on at this late hour.

But off the top of my head: The selection of 2000 which set it all in motion, sectioned by the Supreme Court itself. Not to mention the skulduggery of the 2004 election that allowed it all to continue.

But most of all there is 9/11 which for some reason the Bush administration did not want investigated. They did finally relent to a Commission that was highly controlled from behind the scenes by its executive director and which was ultimately, to say the least, highly flawed. It began with the presumption that all the salient facts were known -- an all those facts came from the most secretive, lying, and criminal administration I believe this country has ever seen. 9/11 was and still remains a wounding of the social fabric that has been used as the fall-back explanation to account for almost all of the Bush-Cheney excesses. If there is one thing we must never forget, it is this. Whether due to their own criminal negligence or worse, not one person in a position of authority that day has been held to account. In fact, most were in some way rewarded.

[Enthusiast]

9. You have hit on some key points.

When investigators try to decipher clues to a homicide they first look for motive. In 2000 I was concerned that there was some sort of ulterior motive behind the election shenanigans. In the 1990s the GOP's obsession with Bill Clinton aroused my curiosity. There was some hidden agenda behind it all. Then the Bush Administration ignored all the warnings of an impending terrorist attack that ultimately happened on 9/11. Again, there is a hidden agenda and motive.

[conscious evolution]

5. Never Forget Never Again

That line was burned into my brain as a youth as a reminder of what man is capable of doing to his fellow man.

I,for one,will NEVER FORGET.
I,for one,will work so that NEVER AGAIN will something like this happen again.

[Optical.Catalyst]

6. K&R

[ColbertWatcher]

7. We have to put pressure on Congress to hold hearings on TV.

It's the very least we can do.

k+r.

[pleah]

8. K&R

[Enthusiast]

10. Demand all you want.

The Obama Administration is powerless to do one thing about this. He would destroy his presidency in an instant if he pursued a course of investigation. Powerful forces behind the scene stopped a real investigation into events leading up to 9/11. Bush was not legitimately elected in 2000 and 2004 yet he was the president. There will be no justice for all, there might be justice for some.......................depending.

[bvar22]

14. Nonsense.

All the Obama administration has to do is appoint a REAL Independent Prosecutor, and then step completely away from this explosive issue. Let the chips fall where they may.

The longer the White House holds up this process, the stronger the perception that they are protecting Torturers & War Criminals.

[chill_wind]

11. I will add Katrina..

the "unsolved mystery" (refusal to investigate and prosecute responsible parties) of the Niger Yellowcake Forgeries....The Pentagon Pundit Program....the dunce clowning in the Oval Office looking for WMD's under his desk with the American press laughing, while the price for that is that war-dead men, women, and children continue to be buried this very day, still... to add just a few more that will be emblazoned in my memory forever...

[SalviaBlue]

12. K&R

[QueenOfCalifornia]

13. K&R

Thank you for your recommendation. If the thread you recommended
has five votes or more it will appear on the Greatest Page.

I wont forget either.

[bvar22]

15. I will gladly join those who will NEVER FORGET.

I want to see structures put in place that will prevent these things from happening again.
If this is all swept under the rug, and we all just Look Forward, NOTHING will change.

[lunatica]

16. The lesson I learned very thoroughly with the Bush Administration

Is that there are people who have no decency and who never find bottom as they perpetually stoop to new lows. That there are people who do the unspeakable as if it were nothing very important and that there are people who admire them for it. I've learned that anything, no matter how bad it is can be justified by some people. There is no limit to their depravity of character. And I've learned that the only defense against them is vigilance. The kind of people who today champion the Bush policies are not hard to spot. Time gives them away, because they can't help showing who they really are sooner or later. Simple vigilance will out them.

[bigwillq]

17. Accountability.

Investigation. Prosecution. Trial. Jail.

[mckara]

18. The Sword of Justice Must Fall on Those Who Violated the Constitution

Especially the Cheney and Rumsfeld Crowds

[vinylsolution]

19. And I will never forgive....

... the US corporate media, which asked no relevant questions while all of this was happening.

[MissDeeds]

20. I will never forget either

And I will never forgive those who could have spoken up and helped stop this. Furthermore, I will never forgive those who still fail to bring those responsible to justice.

[MasonJar]

21. Beautiful! Send it to Barack Obama's web page. He needs to hear it!

Nothing will happen without constant pressure.