What happened to all the OMIGAWD THEFLUISTHECOMINGAPOLCYLPSE threads?

[luvspeas]

Just wondering.

[Orrex]

1. I got tired of being accused of being one of the inside-the-box-thinking sheeple

Some, it seems, felt that my level of panic was insufficient given the obviously grave and unmistakably apocalyptic significance of the swine flu.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. I think most of them have figured out it's not really going anywhere.

Some of them have fallen back on the "Oh yeah, well it'll really be bad next flu season! Then I'll show you! I'll show all of you!" routine.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

6. Do you get the creeping suspicion -

like I do - that they're going to be terribly disappointed if there aren't bodies stacked like cordwood in the streets before this is over?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Oh no doubt.

Many of them clearly wanted a new black plague. For whatever reason.

[kestrel91316]

43. You mean, as opposed to your assertions that it couldn't possibly be an actual

public health threat?

This disease is still a legitimate potential threat. We have only just begun to see what it can do. It is not gone. It can change and become extremely dangerous without any advance notice.

Go ahead and laugh. WHO and FAO and CDC know what they are doing. They are experts. We are all made safer by their serious approach to infectious diseases.

Your attitude, and that of others, is proof that some level of public health education should be mandatory for all Americans.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. On the other hand it could also mutate into the tickle me pink category

but that is why they are taking it so-seriously

I am glad the adults are in charge, instead of many folks round these parts

TRULY

I am

Their clue that this could be serious is the fact that the US government is identifying essential vs non - essential personnel per the words of the President of the US... this morning. IF they were not taking this seriously, they'd not do that

[Tangerine LaBamba]

55. Did I assert that?

Really? I said "this flu couldn't possibly be an actual public health threat"?

I did? Really?

Well, no, I didn't, but, if I were you, I'd get quickly to my doctor, because it appears that the Swine Flu Virus has entered your brain and caused you to spout all sorts of nonsense.

Good luck with your recovery. Someone, somewhere, is pulling for you........................................

[kestrel91316]

65. You've been pooh-pooing the entire public health system's response

to this virus from the very beginning. I just summed up the gist of all your posts in a few words.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

68. You blew it .............

Trying to put a quote on me that I never uttered is shabby at best, and, in fact, is simply dishonest and shameful.

I don't share your sentiment about this event.

That's it. What's your problem with my having a valid opinion - one that is shared by many here at DU? You're going to be a busy little bee, crawling all around, trying to shout them down with false quotes and specious "research."

Quit trying to censor me, and stop bothering me with your blather. You're nothing but an anklebiter, trying and failing.

Back off and go gnaw on someone who might take you seriously.

You are dismissed..................................

[Zenlitened]

84. Holy crap. Did you actually just complain about a post...

... being "shabby," "dishonest" and "shameful"... after posting THIS gem upthread????

Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) May-01-09 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. Do you get the creeping suspicion - like I do - that they're going to be terribly disappointed if there aren't bodies stacked like cordwood in the streets before this is over?

:wow: :wow: :wow:

Great Moments In DUchebaggery!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

85. Yeah, and what's dishonest about that post?

Got a problem, do you, with someone having an opinion different from yours?

So, what exactly is your problem?

[Zenlitened]

88. Great Moments II

LOL :rofl:

Yes, yes, that's EXACTLY what I said!

Got a problem, do you, with someone having an opinion different from yours?

Sorry, I didn't realize you were doing some kind of inscrutable performance art here. Carry on.

[Bluebear]

89. 'inscrutable performance art'

I love your turn of phrase. :loveya:

PS I have whoever is doing the street show on ignore, I just like how you say things :)

[Zenlitened]

100. Aw, shucks. I ain't done much book learnin'...

... not like those SMART people who plaster a discussion board with complaints that people are... um, discussing things.

:D :hi:

[Name removed]

90. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Zenlitened]

98. Jeez, you're not even good at this... performance art.

How disappointing.

What should I do now? Get dragged into a long-winded, point-by-point description of the contradictory sentiments you expressed from one post to the other?

Or should I start out by defining 'hypocrisy,' with a side narrative on the uses of irony? Tautology? MC Escher and the Mobius strip?

Nah. You're so not worth it.

But I love ta hear ya ramble, so please do continue tonight's performance! :hi:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

101. When I start reading your post,

it looks like this:

[Zenlitened]

104. Do you swab your keyboard with alcohol...

... after a night of online 'performance' like this?

Or was your "pants down" reference not the Freudian slip it appeared to be?

:rofl:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

105. What a curious question ............

You do want to know something, don't you?

Since you were never able to define how my post you quoted was "dishonest," I guess your dissembling - and that darling little emoticon, so original, so clever - keeps you from truly feeling like a total idiot.

[Zenlitened]

109. Keep digging, Spanky!

You're really covering yourself in, er, glory tonight!

And no, I'm not going to hold your hand (no matter how much alcohol gel is applied) through a discussion of the obvious dishonesty of your post accusing others of wishing for death... in contrast to your subsequent post carping about shabbiness and dishonesty.

Sometimes, the best learning occurs when we finally figure things out for ourselves. Persevere!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

112. Ewwwwwww.............

The idea of someone like you actually TOUCHING me - "hold your hand" - is enough to send me running to check the household's supply of Lysol and alcohol rubs.

No, darling, in real life, you'd never get close enough, but you can dream.

You really did duck, after your big accusation, and that's just, oh, you know, the act of a misguided and uninformed weasel.

But, hey, it's obvious it's the best you can do.

You are dismissed now. Go spread joy .....................

[Zenlitened]

114. Hmmm... you haven't really "zinged" someone...

... if your reply is really just "I know you are but what am I???!!!"

Can't you at least make an effort to be more entertaining? This all started out with such promise... :(

BTW, you DO realize that you can scroll up and re-read your own posts, don't you?

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. My lord that is quite a mental

and quite inaccurate

Thanks

Ignored really posted a gem...

There are times I don't want to know if this is projection? OWN fears, or just duchbaggery?

:scared:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

93. Duchbaggery ............

Some things are just too precious to ignore.

Some should be preserved for posterity.........................

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

94. That post really hit a nerve, didn't it?

:rofl:

[Zenlitened]

95. Without ever encountering a neuron, somehow!

Teh Stupid that shows up on DU sometimes... it's epic.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

106. Uh, sweetheart,

that wasn't about your post - it was about mine, the one you still haven't explained. The one you characterized as "dishonest."

Your reading comprehension, it's not good..........

[Zenlitened]

111. See, subtlety is just lost on some people.

Even when they're trying to riff on someone's reading comprehension.

Man, you are a laugh riot, you really are!!!

:hi:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

113. Shhhhhh........

It's too late.

You're forgiven.

It's all right.

You're safe.

No one is watching ...........................

[Zenlitened]

115. I have to say, if this is performance art, it lacks creativity

No spark at all.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

82. I haven't really seen anybody say it couldn't possibly be an actual threat.

Just people betting that it won't be a major disaster.

"Go ahead and laugh. WHO and FAO and CDC know what they are doing. They are experts. We are all made safer by their serious approach to infectious diseases."

Actually, I'm betting that most of the people at the CDC and whatnot aren't all that worried about it, and figure most of the problems with this will be because of people overreacting.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

87. What people are reacting to

are what are perceived as hysterical reactions on the basis - so far - of very little data.

I have yet to see or hear anyone say that it's all nonsense, that no one is sick, that nothing's going to happen.

But, it would appear - at least to some here - that not jumping on the Chicken Little bandwagon is enough to earn eternal damnation and vilification.

Hardly what you'd expect from self-proclaimed liberals, but at least we're giving the freepers a good laugh.

[OnyxCollie]

102. The first wave of the 1918 flu that circled the world was mild.

The second wave, not so much.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

107. My paternal grandfather died

in October of 1918, at the age of 1927. I grew up helping my father tend his grave in our little church's cemetery, and hearing stories about him and how he and all his friends got sick and died in such a short period of time.

Now, so much older than my grandfather ever got to be, I've seen reports so often about how this virus was going to be as murderous as the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic. So far, it's not happened, but that doesn't mean it won't.

I'd like to live out my life without ever seeing it happen again. Giving up a grandfather I never knew was enough. No one should have to grow up - as my father did - with only stories ........................................

[OnyxCollie]

116. Sorry to hear about your grandfather.

Today I finished taking a graduate class on Global Public Health Threats. We studied infectious diseases like smallpox, influenza, ebola, etc. We also studied bioterrorism and governmental risk assessments.

Dismissing the swine flu as nothing to worry about is foolish.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

117. I have yet to hear anyone

express that sentiment - that it is "nothing to worry about."

I do see some people getting very upset about it and then getting angry with those who have taken a more wait-and-see stance. The intolerance is laughable. But, anything can happen, and no one with an ounce of sense would dismiss this virus.

"Wolf" has been cried so many times, it's now reasonable to hold back on the terror and just live life sensibly - you know, the way most of us do anyway.

Congratulations on finishing your course, which couldn't have come at a timelier time, eh?

[OnyxCollie]

118. My professor claims he had nothing to do with this.

Nice way to end the semester though.

Panic, confusion, and resistance are expected during these situations. With knowledge of the threat, vulnerability, and consequence, as well as the response/recovery, prevention, and protection, one can put these things into perspective.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

121. May I ask you a question about smallpox?

I remember a discussion, some years ago, maybe ten, maybe longer, about what to do with the last samples of the smallpox virus. They were under the control of the Federal government, at - if I recall correctly - a military/health installation in suburban Maryland. Not Walter Reed or Bethesda Navy, but some military setting.

What do you know about that? Did they eventually decide to keep the sample? What do you think of that?

I'm just curious, and I thank you...................

[OnyxCollie]

124. There is a sample of the smallpox virus

at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (AMRIID) at Ft. Detrick, Maryland.

Smallpox is the kind of thing ya want to hang on to, yaknow? Just in case. (The Soviet Union had kept samples of smallpox. They were to be used in conjunction with a nuclear strike to wipe out any survivors.)

[Tangerine LaBamba]

125. Fort Detrick, that's it!

Far enough away from DC for me not to be nervous.

I thought the idea of completely destroying the final sample - there was quite a debate about it at the time - was completely wrong. As long as anyone else has it, we have to have it, too.

Ugly reasoning, but vital.

Thanks very much.

[Mike 03]

3. I saw rational concern here, but not the hysteria you suggest. NT

[NNN0LHI]

19. I am with you

I didn't notice anyone going berserko over it either. I actually learned some things from what I read here.

I don't read all the threads though so I may have missed some real doozys?

Don

[northernlights]

59. it was not just the number of threads,

although that in itself was mind-boggling.

It was a couple people who started thread after thread after thread. One was starting about 6/hour at one point. Every time he or she found an article from somewhere about it, that was the jumpoff for a new thread.

Easily half GD was flu threads. At least the ones I saw, never mind the ones I missed.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

64. The numbers were impressive -

More threads here about the flu than actual patients in the US who HAD the flu.

And, god forbid you should not share their collective hysteria. They get nasty. All pretense of being able to tolerate opinions different from theirs flies right out the window.

Tiresome ghouls, that's what they are............................

[Control-Z]

99. It sounds like you're

talking about yourself, and a few other select posters. It does. Really.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

108. Actually, you're wrong

I started not one thread about the dangers of the Swine Flu. I started not one thread about any of it.

And your assumption that I did - which was groundless, you must admit - just blew your whole silly preconceived notion to hell, you poor honey, you................................

[Control-Z]

136. I was not just referring

to thread starters, though I'll give you credit for the selective denial. It is your condescension and name calling, on so many of the threads posted about the flu that has gotten on my last nerve. You know, like "They get nasty", and are "Tiresome ghouls".

'And, god forbid you should not share their collective hysteria. They get nasty. All pretense of being able to tolerate opinions different from theirs flies right out the window.

Tiresome ghouls, that's what they are............................'

The only collective hysteria is yours along with a few other posters, about what the rest of us have been interested in posting. You are the one who sounds nasty and tiresome. And I'm not wrong about how you sound to me. How you sound to me is subjective. That so many other people feel the same and have stated so, should suggest to you that you just might be the one who is wrong.

I don't know what it was that has hurt you so badly you feel the need to be so hateful and mean spirited. I'm sorry for whatever it was/is. Really I am. Bad shit happens to good people. But, as far as I know, the folks here at DU did not cause it.

Oh, and please don't call me honey.

edit: typo and stuff

[Bluebear]

141. thank you.

I don't know who "ignored" is but you answered it beautifully.

[Control-Z]

144. ...

You are very welcome. :)

[uppityperson]

126. I expect you to gratiously thank me then

since I gathered them together into one place, to read or ignore more easily. You are welcome, glad to see my work is appreciated

[Bluebear]

142. :)

[Control-Z]

143. I've appreciated it, uppity.

These threads have been informative and educational. I honestly feel that a lot of good has come of DU information sharing, and the response that was made locally, nationally and globally, to control this and future threats to public health.

[BlooInBloo]

148. " More threads here about the flu than actual patients in the US who HAD the flu."

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAAAHAAA!!!

DUzy.

[Hannah Bell]

96. it was also the gloomy speculation far beyond the available data,

the long-distance diagnoses by internet doctors,

the sloppy reporting of unconfirmed cases & deaths as if they were confirmed,

the passing along of unconfirmed, unsourced data before attempting to confirm it (e.g. a twitter report that there were as many as 350 deaths in mexico)

the repeated posting of particularly choicely gloomy bits as if they were new stories (one person posted the "people will die" news conference statement several times the day it was made, then posted it again the next day for good measure),

the repeated comparison of this flu to the worst episode in us history, the 1918 flu...

& snotty rejoinder to anyone who thought there was anything harmful about the sloppy rumor-mongering.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. People who are interested are mostly keeping the news that most of you

care not for, in a single thread

After all we should never try to scare the children.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

5. I got the swine flu and died.

The hysterics were right..........................

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. Oh dear, and you didn't even have a chance to log-out......

That was so sudden.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

20. Tell me about it ...........

And I still have several months left on my star ...............

[BlooInBloo]

149. lol!

[LostInAnomie]

7. Same thing that happened with SARS...

... monkey pox, and the bird flu.

[kestrel91316]

44. Take that snark to Egypt, where avian flu is alive and well and killing people.

[LostInAnomie]

50. I'll be sure to do that.

While I'm there, maybe I can teach them to not live so close to their livestock.

[kestrel91316]

72. Maybe you can personally fund their efforts to do so.

Because they should actually live in mansions in the city like agribusiness execs do in the US, right?

[laundry_queen]

97. The only reason sars

is not everywhere is BECAUSE everyone panicked. Here in Canada it was no fucking joke. People died from it and one of our top infectious disease experts got it and was severely ill. It is because people panicked, and quarantined in Canada that it didn't get a good hold on in the US. Take your snark and stuff it.

[LostInAnomie]

119. Well, that and because it's not a terribly dangerous disease.

Only 774 people have died from it since 2003. More people died last year from auto-erotic asphyxiation.

[uppityperson]

127. Link for those numbers?

[laundry_queen]

132. Here:

http://www.who.int/csr/sars/country/table2004_04_21/en/index.html

As you can see, the previous poster fails to mention that the total number of cases was 8096, which is a very high death rate if 774 died. Extremely serious disease.

[uppityperson]

133. That is only half of what was claimed.

"More people died last year from auto-erotic asphyxiation" waiting on those numbers so I can compare, but thank you very much.

And I agree, SARS is extremely serious

[LostInAnomie]

134. “Estimates of the mortality rate range of autoerotic asphyxia between 250 to 1000 deaths per year...

... in the United States.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation

THAT DOES EVEN MENTION THE REST OF THE WORLD!!! LORD HELP US!!! AUTO EROTIC ASPHYXIATION IS GONNA KILL US ALL!!!

[laundry_queen]

139. The difference is

that'll only kill ya if you decide to do it.
It's not going to get me, since I'm not going to try it.
Unfortunately, those who died from Sars didn't decide to be exposed.
Thanks for playing.

[laundry_queen]

131. It's only not terribly dangerous

because hardly anyone has caught it, BECAUSE of measures to prevent that. THat's the same bullshit argument that "the normal seasonal flu kills 36,000 every year", well, duh, that's because millions are infected. If millions had been infected with sars, if they had not been so quick to act, you bet your booty that there would have been more than 774 people that died from it. If I remember correctly, the percentage of people who caught it who died was around 10%. That's also like saying 'more people die in car accidents within 10 miles from their home'. That's because that's where people usually ARE. It's the percentages that count.

[LostInAnomie]

135. You have to also consider that the vast majority of those deaths occurred...

... in China and Hong Kong where the poor have a much greater chance of death because of inferior health services. The 9.6% fatality rate is skewed because of a lopsided percentage of elderly dying. You had less than a 1% chance of dying if you were under 24.

[laundry_queen]

138. I have to disagree.

In Canada, the case fatality ratio was 17%.
The median age in Canada was pretty high - 49. However the CFR reflects that.
And these people had state of the art care. Many were health care workers.
You can bet they got the best care possible.

[seemslikeadream]

8. could you give me a link please I must have missed them?

[stray cat]

9. They all died from the flu and the government is keeping it quiet

Actually 20,000 to 30,000 die in the US from flu - if you are on the wrong side of the percentages it is small consolation that most people survive.

[ColbertWatcher]

10. WINNAR! n/t

[liberalmuse]

12. Anyone have symptoms?

My ear started popping yesterday, and my head is stuffy and buzzing right now and I feel blah. I've been feeling like crap all day. I thought it was allergies, but the sneezes feel different than my usual allergy sneezes, plus I'm on a good med and have not had allergy symptoms since. I think I'll stay away from people until I'm sure it's not the flu. A doctor at the clinic across the street from where I live was confirmed--she was working on Monday and came down with the symptoms later that day. I rarely get sick, and I'm pretty sure I've got something going on here, not that I'm concerned. It's just I've already had the flu this year after not having had it in over a decade. It kinda sucks.

On edit: Of course it could be the bug from the croopy guy who just moved into the cube next to mine. All his triplets have ear infections in the same ear. That's more likely than the flu.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

21. Are you aching all over?

That's one of the symptoms - you know that from having had the flu.

I hope it's just another kind of allergy ......

[kestrel91316]

74. Why would you hope that, given your utter lack of concern about this flu?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

79. Braintrust, are you stalking me?

That post wasn't even directed at you.

You really are obsessed, aren't you?

Look, honeycakes, take your virulence and run along. You're getting stuff on the floor ..................

[NNN0LHI]

25. My brother thinks he had it three weeks ago

Had all the symptoms and it really kicked his ass hard. He said he felt like he was down for the count for about week. Might have been something else?

Don

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. call your healthcare

if you happen to have it

IF they test positive for Influenza, or even this and give you antivirals in the first 48 hours it will reduce the severity and the time

[mike_c]

13. it's a bit too early to make that call, I think....

Notwithstanding the apparent media hysteria. The truth is that the swine flu is a virulent, very nearly pandemic strain that should serve as an wake up call because a really bad pandemic is pretty much a certainty, and just a matter of time. Instead, it's liable to be used as an example of why public health preparedness is a waste of time, money, and concern. Bad idea. This one MIGHT just turn out to be like an unsecured gun left on the kitchen table and found by the kids. Unloaded.

On the other hand, the 1918 pandemic was mild in the spring and roared out of late summer to do most of it's damage during the following flu season, in fall and winter. It's too early to say what this one is going to do.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

23. Consider the word - pandemic -

it carries no sinister meaning - it's just a word that means something is all over the world, but it doesn't mean that everyone is dying.

Yearly, influenza is a pandemic, but we don't go nuts about it.

[mike_c]

27. exactly....

The swine flu strain is more virulent than other pandemic strains this year, but-- so far-- not so bad that it's time to bring out the body collectors.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. We didn't get to the body collector point in 1918 by the by

just a higher death rate, much higher, than usual

And people who remembered after it, like the people in mexico that you can bet will not forget this for two generations or so

Me, getting one of them cute achufy dolls, or actually the murican equivalent. Google achufy...

Unfortunately they are no longer for sale

[Sigh Sister]

29. The problem with this virus

is that it's one we've never seen before and they don't know how it will mutate. I recommend reading The Great Influenza by John M. Barry. It will give you a greater understanding of why the CDC and WHO are closely watching it.

[kestrel91316]

52. Seasonal flu does NOT meet the definition of pandemic flu.

Go do your homework at the CDC and WHO and Pandemic flu websites. Here, I'll help you.

But first I'm gonna say that you remind me of the people who laugh at the suggestion that cats in Los Angeles need rabies vaccinations, saying that "we don't have rabies", and "cats don't get rabies". Ignorance is indeed bliss. And those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.

CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/
WHO: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html
Pandemic site: http://www.pandemicflu.gov/

Oh, and the AVMA: http://www.avma.org/reference/backgrounders/swine_bgnd.asp

If you have any verifiable scientific facts that prove that these public health authorities have got their facts wrong, or that their actions are uncalled for, please feel free to enlighten us all.

[mike_c]

57. cats can get rabies?

Just yanking your chain, my friend. :hi:

Hope all is well in socal!

[kestrel91316]

75. Hi mike!

[Name removed]

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

86. Uh, seasonal flu doesn't meet their definition of pandemic because it's not new.

It's old and boring.

Does it meet the other qualifiers? Does it spread easily? Sure. Is it all over world? Of course. Does it cause major illness? You betcha.

So it essentially is a pandemic. It's just a chronic pandemic that doesn't get much media attention.

[Sigh Sister]

71. We don't have pandemic's every year n/t

[Bluebear]

147. Another good point.

[Hannah Bell]

110. the first wave of the 1918 flu had tens of thousands of cases

globally, in a time when there were fewer people. The first cases outside the original cluster in Haskell KS were in early March. By May:

"the British First Army alone suffered 36,473 hospital admissions & TENS OF THOUSANDS of less serious cases..."

"It swept over the whole country (China) like a tidal wave...half of Chunking lay ill...."

That was the *first* wave.


today they announced this flu had no sequences from the 1918 flu.

so what is the point of comparing this flu to that one.

of course, it "could" do that. it "could" fizzle out, or it could cross with something else & kill the whole world.

Those things are ALWAYS possible, every day of your life, but there's no particular reason to think this flu is more likely to do that than any other one.

[seemslikeadream]

14. I'm sure you are blessed you don't live in Mexico

Getty Images 50 minutes ago
A health worker wearing protective clothing sits in the Metropark hotel in Wanchai, on May 2, 2009. At another nearby hotel, a guest reportedly from Mexico was diagnosed as suffering from swine flu at the Metropark hotel, its Chief Executive Donald Tsang said. Officials have ordered a week-long quarantine there, and have begun tracking down his recent contacts.




Reuters Pictures 2 hours ago
Police officers wear surgical masks as they carry barricades in Mexico City's main square Zocalo May 1, 2009. Mexican President Felipe Calderon has asked Mexicans to stay home from May 1 to 5 and ordered them to cancel May Day parades and religious processions to help slow the spread of influenza A (H1N1), formerly referred to as swine flu.

Reuters Pictures 3 hours ago
Police wear surgical masks as they stand guard outside Mexico City's Reclusorio Norte jail where family members of inmates are demanding information on their relatives May 1, 2009. The government has restricted visits to the jail since the outbreak of influenza A (H1N1), formerly referred to as swine flu.


Reuters Pictures 3 hours ago
Protesters push against a barricade guarded by police on Mexico City's Zocalo square May 1, 2009. Mexican President Felipe Calderon has asked Mexicans to stay home from May 1 to 5 and ordered to cancel May Day parades and religious processions to help slow the spread of influenza A (H1N1), formerly referred to as swine flu.

Getty Images 4 hours ago
Handout picture released by the Mexican Health Ministry (SSA) showing the Mexican Army personnel carrying medical supplies sent from China May 1, 2009 in Mexico City .Mexico on Friday received a planeload of medical supplies valued at three million dollars sent from China to help the Latin American nation tackle its flu crisis, President Felipe Calderon said.

[LanternWaste]

16. In the same place as the...

In the same place as the "It's just a flu. Mover Along. Nothing to see here" posts? :shrug:

[The Straight Story]

17. I have quite a few emails from WHO and CDC today about it

And they are very educational and informative, much like most the posts I have seen here on it.

This whole event is a window in the future - how it has been covered, how it has spread (and is still), how people react (I posted some threads on the flu, but did not see them as panic inducing - although some may see education on a relevant and timely topic as such).

Perhaps I should be concerned that the who/cdc are going over board in emailing info about it all (I get other emails from them as well).

Or maybe they think it is still something worth investigating and discussing.

Oh - and whatever happened to bush was going to plant wmd's, stay in power, attack iran,... etc? Sure saw a lot of posts about that, why not anymore? Oh yeah, because he did leave power - but I still think based on his mental history folks had a legitimate concern.

Discussion. It is, after all, a discussion board we post on here :)

[MercutioATC]

18. They were the creation of people like you.

They never really existed.

Sure, there were threads asking questions and relating information about the flu, but I didn't see any panic.


That didn't stop some people from screeching that every OP discussing the flu without ridiculing it was an "OHMYGODWEREALLGONNADIE!!!" thread.

[Chemisse]

24. All I Saw

Was curiosity, concern and an interest in the details. I certainly saw no hysteria on any of these posts. Well, except for the people who got so shrill about flu hype (yet they continued to click into swine flu threads - *shrug*).

[eShirl]

26. exactly. n/t

[Bluebear]

22. People were tired of misinformation, such as alcohol gel doesn't kill germs

Who said that? oh yeah, you? :)

[Name removed]

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[LanternWaste]

30. Does that also include

"like you are EXACTLY the type of ignoramuses I adore belittling every chance I get..."

Does that also include people who post questions about hyperbolic, melodramatic threads which never existed? :shrug:

Ed: sp

[MercutioATC]

31. Before you belittle anybody, you might want to get your facts straight.

"What kills influenza virus?

Influenza virus is destroyed by heat (167-212°F <75-100°C>). In addition, several chemical germicides, including chlorine, hydrogen peroxide, detergents (soap), iodophors (iodine-based antiseptics), and alcohols are effective against influenza viruses if used in proper concentration for sufficient length of time. For example, wipes or gels with alcohol in them can be used to clean hands. The gels should be rubbed until they are dry."

That's from the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/preventing.htm


It's true that alcohol won't kill many gastrointestinal viruses, but influenza viruses have a lipid sheath that's vulnerable to alcohol.



So which is the real problem, people asking questions or people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground who still feel the need to impart their "knowledge"?

[luvspeas]

36. I'm not about to get inton another battle with people who refuse to see the truth

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Perhaps CDC knows something you don't

after all they recommend this for INFLUENZA every year

Lipid casing and all that... oh well

[luvspeas]

39. the CDC knows a lot and so do I, it's you that does not know and I'm not about to try to educate

fools anymore. I tried that once and you all still think you know more than anyone else.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Nah I just take CDC guidance well before I do from you on the web

sorry

By the way, lipid case. That is why alcohol works

[luvspeas]

47. You're a lipid case

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. How the hell did you know my medical history?

Damn, you psychic too?

:evilgrin:

[Bluebear]

73. Typo, didn't you mean psychotic?

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Nah she\he can actually read at distance my medical record

that is either remote viewing or access to my file

:evilgrin:

[Bluebear]

78. I'm still trying to get my head around "APOLCYLPSE"

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. I read correctly that misspelling

some study I read somewhere (here ) in the past

[kestrel91316]

61. There are clearly several orders of magnitude difference between what you know

about killing viruses and what CDC knows.

You DO know what an order of magnitude is, right?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

70. Hey, have you seen this one?

It's kind of clever - a friend sent it to me:

[MercutioATC]

40. Yeah, those CDC virologists are a bunch of idiots.

This isn't even open to interpretation. You're mistaken.

Unless virologists are wrong and you're right, alcohol DOES kill influenza viruses.

Period.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. SHHHH CDC recommends alcohol based hand cleaners for influenza

every year, not just now

Perhaps they know something you don't, perhaps, just a thought, don't know?

By the way... RUN FOR THE FREAKING HILLS, yesterday I had a good time catching up and having dinner with my partner of ten years. He is still working down in Tijuuana (LIKE OH MY FREAKING GOD I AM GOIN' TO DIE, SERIES!!!!)

So should I rub Onions, or does garlic work better for the many potentially infectious diseases he came across last weekend, even the H1N1 virus in the course of his work OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO DIE?

So garlic, or just Onions? Red or White, perhaps yellow?

And does cowering in the corner works better on an Eastern direction or Western?

Yes, I am laughing at you, not with you.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. Actually, that's not what you said.

You said hand sanitizers do nothing to prevent the transmission of flu.

And that's just wrong.

[Name removed]

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[kestrel91316]

63. I leave my upstairs apartment every day to practice veterinary medicine.

Does that make me Extra Strength Stoopid?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

81. No, not at all ............

You manage to be that just by being yourself.................

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. I had dinner with a front line medic

so should I use red or yellow onions? And do prayers to Mithra work?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

77. Let's search the peer-reviewed literature, shall we?

There's a Patnayak et al. study in Avian Dis. (2008) that shows commercially available hand sanitizers are quite effective in halting the spread of avian flu, avian pneomonia (a viral strain), and Newcastle disease (viral.)

Goldmann et al. published a randomized, controlled study on the effectiveness of alcohol based hand sanitizers on preventing viral infections in the home. That appears in Pediatrics. 2005, 116(3), 587-94. Sample size was in the thousands.

There's a 2008 paper: Appl. Environ. Microbiol. 74(16) 2008, 5047-52 on improvements in hand sanitizers for prevention of GI viral infections.

There's a case study that clearly demonstrates the effectiveness of hand sanitizers in prevention of the norovirus on a cruise ship: J. Travel Med, 15(3), 172-6, 2008.

Would you like me to continue, luvspease, or would you like to do the intelligent thing, and admit your error? From the comfort of your basement.

[Forkboy]

34. Have you considered the decaf?

[Sigh Sister]

35. I think it does kill viruses if it's alcohol based

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hand-washing/HQ00407

[Egnever]

58. Holy crap that was some great flaming!

A+ flame there i know it ont last but i am glad i got to read it! Made me LOL seriously!

[kestrel91316]

If you can't handle a challenge to your posts, you are seriously in the wrong place.

Alcohol gel is recommended by CDC where handwashing is not feasible. Are you saying you know more than CDC?

[Fuzz]

37. I think they are all dead from swine flu.

No I'm not.

Well you will be soon.

I'm feeling much better.

No your not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.

I don't want to go in the cart.

Oh, don't be such a baby.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

123. This is funny!

Those last two lines just broke me up..................

:toast:

[TorchTheWitch]

140. Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!

What a classic. Monty Python at it's best.

[Avalux]

49. The only purpose of this thread is to start something. You in a mood to fight?

The majority of threads about this new flu have been informative; we want to share knowledge so people DONT panic. Then there's people like you.

[malaise]

53. Check the Hong Kong hotel thread

It's happening. :rofl:

[krabigirl]

54. People decided to think a bit. Haha, really though. (more)

We don't know what is going to happen with this flu. No need to panic, though.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Problem is nobody has

and that is the point

Except people starting these threads

This is classic in disasters

[stuntcat]

60. everything that could be said was said

I watched.. enough stuff was said and enough fighting was done. It's been a time of great RELEASE!

Maybe everyone will take a break from the kneejerk fights (that stop some of us from posting at all) and just act normal a few hours :D

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. WHAT???? now we have to start the cat fights over USSC

Let the battle royale begin!!!!!!!!

:evilgrin:

[frogcycle]

129. '

[Touchdown]

69. They're all trying to get their GOP friends scheduled for the re-education

... camps for the summer trimester. It's better in the summer. No true friend would let their republican be scheduled for winter.:scared:

[Canuckistanian]

83. I got distracted by a shiny object

It just sparkled..... and I lost track of time.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

91. This oughta snap you right back .............

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

103. The same place the Y2K Bug apcolypse went.

[NeedleCast]

120. Well, we're generally not even talking about the Swine Flu anymore

We're busy talking about how it "might" mutate into something else and wringing our hands over that instead. We're talking about how that, while this new version of the black death doesn't actually seem to have a very high morbidity rate, it, you know, could come back in an all new bionic fashion this fall...better, stronger, faster than before, and really, truly start decimating the population. Because until it falls completely out of the news cycle or is replaced by whatever sky is falling threat that comes next, we're going to milk this one for all it's worth.

[HughMoran]

122. Just got a scary emergency notification robocall that a kid at school has it

They didn't want the parents to panic since the kid hadn't attended classes since returning from a trip and therefor the school would not have to be shut down.

[uppityperson]

128. I've been gathering them into one place to more easily find or ignore

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5575351&mesg_id=5575351

And, as it becomes more apparent that the virus has spread widely, posting every town's possibilities becomes less important, except to those following it or living there.

[frogcycle]

130. Responding just to keep this drivel kicked

I mean, if there aren't inane posts to ignore, why not just start one about that fact? Makes sense. Look at how easy it is to get idiots shouting at each other over what they weren't shouting at each other about.

This board is one big circle jerk.

[Bluebear]

145. :)

[Trajan]

137. Lame thread ....

You could find them if you actually wanted to ..... so this thread is a farce ....

Humans will be humans, and they will act like humans every time ....

Even this thread is an indication of how weak humanity really is ...

[Bluebear]

146. APOLCYLPSE NOW!

[BlooInBloo]

150. This thread is HILARIOUS.